Help SN method adjuncts -- questions about Diazepam and Propanolol

[GoodPersonEffed]

Diazepam (Valium)

The backstory:

In research for a method I abandoned due to inaccessibility (chloroquine), 1000 mg liquid Diazepam was recommended to induce sleeping through the method, and to inhibit the seizures it would cause. It was recommended to take the Diazepam immediately after the chloroquine.

I have 200 mg of Diazepam tablets. My research led me to learn that crushing the tablets will lead to rapid crossing of the blood brain barrier.

I have no current benzo tolerance, and in the past did not build one that was even remotely significant, never had a dependence or withdrawals.

I have no experience with Diazepam. Research indicates it is a signficantly weaker benzo than most. I cannot test its effects because I don't want to waste any of the pills.

Why I am including it in the regimen:

To calm.
To potentially lose consciousness more quickly.
To combat potential seizures caused by Propanolol overdose (see below).

My questions:

1. Does anyone have experience of taking a high dose of Diazepam without high tolerance?

I'd like a better idea of what to expect if possible.

2. When to ingest the 200 mg crushed and dissolved in water?

I am thinking the best option may be to take 30 mg meto and 800 mg Ibuprofen 30 min prior...
then drink the Diazepam...
then at the first signs of sleepiness, drink the SN and Propanolol mixture.

If I accidentally fall asleep, I can drink the SN when I wake up and am still groggy. Or, I can postpone the SN if I don't feel ready, and the Diazepam is no major loss.

Propanolol

The backstory:

Nitschke, the shady bastard, recommends 2 g of Propanolol tablets taken with the SN mixture for potentiation.

1-8 g of Propanolol can induce death, hence added potential for success.

I possess 2.4 g of Propanolol.

The issues:

Medical literature addresses the physical effects and treatment of Propanolol overdose, I cannot find any anecdotal accounts about the symptoms between ingestion and treatment.

Propanolol overdose can cause shortness of breath, as can SN. I hate that, am working on visualizations to improve symptom management if it occurs.

Propanolol is a long-acting drug. Crushing is not advised because it speeds up the effects. I can't find any more specific information than that.

My question:

To crush or not to crush?

Whether whole or crushed, I will take it with the SN. If I crush it, it's because I think faster acting is better, I wanna get the shit over with. I don't, however, know what symptoms to expect with an overdose, unlike with SN. Too much Propanolol can cause sleepiness, which SN also causes, as will the Diazepam. I want loss of consciousness as quickly as possible.

 

[k75]

Valium takes effect quickly anyway. I would not crush. Just take it ahead of time so it kicks in at the right time.

Propranolol is trickier. You have way more than I believe is necessary to do this job. The pph recommends crushing. I don't know if that's necessary, though. They also say take 2g, and I'm definitely disagreeing with that. Like you pointed out, that's possibly an overdose in itself.

I take 120mg propranolol for anxiety, but I take it whole. I take it on the morning, so I don't know the reaction time. It's just routine.
I will say it tastes really bad if you let any dissolve. It's way worse than SN probably tastes. So beware of that.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

@k75 thank you for your response. I will take all into consideration.

I like the idea of Propanolol being an overdose as insurance. I just don't know what that experience would be like even without SN. That's my concern with it, along with my dislike for shortness of breath, that is, feeling like I'm suffocating.

 

[Carina]

I see you've been here for a while, so I'm sure that you definitely have see this:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

which means that you also would know that different things affect people differently, and there are no guarantees if you would start experimenting with other things just to see what would happen. I mean, do whatever you want of course, but just saying.....

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I see you've been here for a while, so I'm sure that you definitely have see this:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

which means that you also would know that different things affect people differently, and there are no guarantees if you would start experimenting with other things just to see what would happen. I mean, do whatever you want of course, but just saying.....

Thank you, I have read it. :) I ask questions like I have here to help me make the most informed decisions for myself that I can.

 

[squirtsoda]

I can assure you propranolol and diazepam/any other benzo taste horrible. Propranolol actually tastes just like a benzo to me. I'm not sure I'm understanding the utility of both SN poisoning and basically a propranolol overdose, I've mostly just seen taking a rather normal dose of propranolol to prevent tachycardia while poisoning yourself with SN.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm not sure I'm understanding the utility of both SN poisoning and basically a propranolol overdose, I've mostly just seen taking a rather normal dose of propranolol to prevent tachycardia while poisoning yourself with SN.

It's meant as a potentiator for SN.

And because of rare anecdotal accounts of SN survival without intervention, I like the additional insurance.

Thank you for the reminder about taste. I need to get the supplies to deal with it.

 

[Quarky00]

I am thinking the best option may be to take 30 mg meto and 800 mg Ibuprofen 30 min prior...
then drink the Diazepam...
then at the first signs of sleepiness, drink the SN and Propanolol mixture.

Sounds like a good plan :)

Crushed benzo is not significant at all -- but sublingual is (tried+research). You would feel very blurry. You don't drop to sleep but it's hard being focused and doing stuff.. Effects for high doses could be quick. Do a dry test w/ little Diazepam first to see how quick. Your plan -- 'feeling it' and then SN -- is rather good!

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

For those who want to numb taste buds, I read that sucking on an ice cube can help.

 

[squirtsoda]

How does propranolol potentiate the SN? Just curious

 

[Shero]

How does propranolol potentiate the SN? Just curious

From what i understood, propranolol reduces your hpm and your body will be slower in delivering oxygen (without propranolol you would have tachycardia, because sn changes your Hemoglobin to Methemoglobin which can't cary oxygen) and your blood pressure will be lower (sn already does that) so you fall unconscious more quickly.

 

[squirtsoda]

I guess I'll give that I shit I've got shitloads of propranolol

 

[LastRide]

I have not tried any of the other stuff but I tried ctb on Diazepam alone years ago (before there was internet access and you could actually properly research methods - I actually thought an overdose could kill you - but no it won't !). Swallowed about 60 pills (can't remember the strength of each pill but I had them as sleeping aids and 1 would usually be more than enough), uncrushed, and half a bottle of vodka. No nausea, no puking. In about 10 minutes I fell asleep, hoping never to wake up. That was in the evening, around 10pm. And hey, the next day I wake up in the afternoon, around 2p, with just a slight headache, probably alcohol hangover more than the effect of the Diazepam. So they whole stuff did not even make me sleep 24 hours ! I cried my eyes out when I woke up....Anyway, so to get back to your plan, I think the Diazepam will definitely help, not so much to produce death but to keep your nerves, probably even help to avoid the tachycardia some people have noticed kicks in after taking the SN, and it will help you to fall asleep faster and probably sleep through some of the not so nice side effects of SN. So I'd definitely use it. Just make sure you don the SN quickly after taking the diazepam because with a large dose you can fall asleep very fast, once you start noticing the sleepiness next minute you're gone.

 

[seafarer]

It is very hard to overdose on diazepam alone,i was on a ward with a guy who had taken 1200mg at once and he was fine,just in for observation and blood tests to check things. He was up and around talking etc.obviously he had already developed a tolerance to the drug because he had been on it a while. I take around 50mg a day plus 30mg zopiclone and also 50ml of methadone each day and that is just to keep me functioning somewhat normally. Otherwise stress and anxiety overwhelmed me. The methadone is for heroin addiction treatment. Not for the stress. But it helps,the doctors tried to reduce my diazepam which led to me taking heroin take the pain of living and stress.

TLDR diazepam will be good to use with SN ect but not for CBT by itself.