SN - I need to modify the protocol - please help

[suicimar]

Hi,
SN is my method of choice. I have SN (98.5 pure, easy to get because I am in the EU where SN is legal and cheap). I have Meto and Propranolol. However, I have suffered from severe acid issues for years, I do take drugs for that but even my throat is irritated by acid. I know SN is tough to drink and it might be next to impossible for me to take 25mg in 50mg.

I read the megathread and escpecially the thread dedicated to "do not test SN" where people described they felt severe symptops only by trying like 1-2 gramms.

So I am thinking, I might have to take the risk and take like 15g in 100g of water. Otherwise, my throat might not allow me to swallow or I might throw up.

Any ideas? I think 15g used to be recommeded in the PPEH book a few years ago.

 

[dirkw83]

Where did you get it so easy in the EU?

Anyway I don't think you should do that, I think you should go for the full dose of 25g. I'm not a doctor obviously but it just seems like you're risking serious damage if you go for 15 instead. It might be enough, might not be. 20-25g is the standard for a reason.

 

[suicimar]

Where did you get it so easy in the EU?

Anyway I don't think you should do that, I think you should go for the full dose of 25g. I'm not a doctor obviously but it just seems like you're risking serious damage if you go for 15 instead. It might be enough, might not be. 20-25g is the standard for a reason.

SN is fully legal in many countries.
I am thinking of 15g - in 2018 that was the recommended amount. I read someone took 25g and vomited heavily. Not sure

 

[msds]

Hi,
SN is my method of choice. I have SN (98.5 pure, easy to get because I am in the EU where SN is legal and cheap). I have Meto and Propranolol. However, I have suffered from severe acid issues for years, I do take drugs for that but even my throat is irritated by acid. I know SN is tough to drink and it might be next to impossible for me to take 25mg in 50mg.

I read the megathread and escpecially the thread dedicated to "do not test SN" where people described they felt severe symptops only by trying like 1-2 gramms.

So I am thinking, I might have to take the risk and take like 15g in 100g of water. Otherwise, my throat might not allow me to swallow or I might throw up.

Any ideas? I think 15g used to be recommeded in the PPEH book a few years ago.

SN is slightly basic when dissolved in water, as it dissociates into HNO2 (weak acid) and NaOH (strong base). While you shouldn't ever test with SN, you can dissolve the same amount of salt in water to get somewhat of an idea what it's like, just more "chemical-y" is what people say. to make it even more accurate you could add a little bit of an edible weak base like baking soda, as salt dissociates into NaOH (strong base) and HCl (strong acid) which cause the pH to remain neutral. Adding baking soda would give you a slightly basic, extremely salty solution, which would give you most of the physical aspect of drinking a SN mixture, but none of the symptoms, which you could drink and "practice" your method to see if you could keep it down long enough.

As for whether you can take less than the recommended 25g, due to the method by which SN works, even small amounts can potentially be lethal, which is what is described in the "do not test ingest" thread. However, smaller amounts will prolong the amount of time you spend experiencing symptoms, and have a higher chance of survival. The LD50 of SN in lab rats is 180mg/kg body weight, which is the amount where if you gave a population that amount 50% of them would die. For example if you weigh 50kg you'd need to ingest 5.9 grams of SN to have a 50% chance of dying. You ought to ingest considerably more then the LD50 for your body weight, to avoid prolonged symptoms and guarantee death, which is where the 25g recommendation comes from. Depending on your weight, 15g would probably also be fine, if you are a very small person.