Discussion SN failure cases

[kajag]

I have read in one of the thread that there were 60 successes with Sn and 16 unsuccessful attempts. I was wondering if SN did not work what are the clinical implications of such failure. Are there any permanent defects added to the individual.Any detailed information about such survivals.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

I have read in one of the thread that there were 60 successes with Sn and 16 unsuccessful attempts. I was wondering if SN did not work what are the clinical implications of such failure. Are there any permanent defects added to the individual.Any detailed information about such survivals.

From what I have read, people can recover fully from failed attempts.
No long term effects. That's why sn has become so popular I think.

 

[nerve]

Nope. One of the attractive things about SN is that it's completely reversible with timely medical intervention. Methylene blue is given, which helps the blood start carrying oxygen properly again.

 

[falloutcarter13]

I think without medical interventions, failures are caused by underdoses and more commonly vomiting the stuff up before it can be absorbed. I can't say for certain, but from what I understand about the MOA, if you don't take enough to kill you, you won't be left with any lasting damage.

 

[falloutcarter13]

The very fast heartbeat it causes can create panic. As one who has a racing heartbeat at times let me tell you that can be terrifying. So some of them call an ambulance when that happens.

Right on, that's what I meant by medical intervention...just that *someone* called EMS to intervene. I'm sure many people take the poison and then change their mind.

 

[a.h]

Right on, that's what I meant by medical intervention...just that *someone* called EMS to intervene. I'm sure many people take the poison and then change their mind.

Exit advices to take large dose of Propral, which lowers heart beats, with sn. It's not necessary and they say that fast heart beat won't hurt at all but may cause uncomfort to some.

PubMed has some links to cases of sn poisonings. I read few and there was no mentioning of the permanent (or any future health problems) damage to patients after initial care in hospital.

I think that if someone was close to death (no heart beat/breathing) from lack of oxygen for long enough and was revived then there may come some brain damage as a result. I haven't heard anyone getting permanent damage (after hospital care) from sn if they got revived while breathing but I haven't studied sn way and read much about it.

By the way Journal of Emergency Medicine has put SuicideWiki in their webpage as source of important information about sodium nitrite among other scientific publications.

https://www.jem-journal.com/article/S0736-4679(20)30580-1/fulltext

 

[Freeme3820]

Diddent seem to with me and for about an hour it was 100% working and then just like that it switched to me not feeling too bad, I diddent get any medical assistance but that's me, may be different for someone else, everybody is different but it seems to be it either works or it dosent (for what ever reason), dosent seem to be any in between, I think once your body fights back it reverses the effects quiet well, again just my experience and opinion on it all, It could act differently withsomeone else x

 

[falloutcarter13]

Diddent seem to with me and for about an hour it was 100% working and then just like that it switched to me not feeling too bad, I diddent get any medical assistance but that's me, may be different for someone else, everybody is different but it seems to be it either works or it dosent (for what ever reason), dosent seem to be any in between, I think once your body fights back it reverses the effects quiet well, again just my experience and opinion on it all, It could act differently withsomeone else x

How much did you take? The process relies on taking enough SN to overwhelm the methemoglobin to hemoglobin response of the body for long enough to kill you. Generally accepted that 5+ grams is potentially fatal, but recommended to take 25g. I'd be interested to know how much you took, if you held it down without vomiting, and what the effects were, if you don't mind sharing =)

 

[Freeme3820]

How much did you take? The process relies on taking enough SN to overwhelm the methemoglobin to hemoglobin response of the body for long enough to kill you. Generally accepted that 5+ grams is potentially fatal, but recommended to take 25g. I'd be interested to know how much you took, if you held it down without vomiting, and what the effects were, if you don't mind sharing =)

You was on my thread after I took it, I'm guessing you diddent realize it was me because I changed my pro pic, sorry

 

[falloutcarter13]

You was on my thread after I took it, I'm guessing you diddent realize it was me because I changed my pro pic, sorry

Ohhhh that is totally what happened. My memory is fully refreshed, my bad. And thank you again for documenting that experience, it really was useful information for the rest of us!

 

[Freeme3820]

Ohhhh that is totally what happened. My memory is fully refreshed, my bad. And thank you again for documenting that experience, it really was useful information for the rest of us!

I'm gunna pm you, I've actually just made a discovery x

 

[Emily123]

i was thinking that 48 hours regime can be one reason for failure when anxiety gets out of the control and makes someone sick . 1 hour preparation is also recommended in PPH and stan's guid . Does anybody else think it may be better ?

 

[falloutcarter13]

i was thinking that 48 hours regime can be one reason for failure when anxiety gets out of the control and makes someone sick . 1 hour preparation is also recommended in PPH and stan's guid . Does anybody else think it may be better ?

I think it comes down to personality. Some people are probably actually calmed down by the slow, methodical nature of the 48 hour regime. Me, I'm going stat dose because I'd like to keep it simple and as close to "drink the poison, pass out, die" as possible.

 

[a.h]

I'm gunna pm you, I've actually just made a discovery x

i was thinking that 48 hours regime can be one reason for failure when anxiety gets out of the control and makes someone sick . 1 hour preparation is also recommended in PPH and stan's guid . Does anybody else think it may be better

People reported by Exit took sn (first Primperan and Propral) in morning. If done in evening person shouldn't eat and drink for several hours so that their stomach and duodenum are totally empty. Especially if they have reflux or any digestive problems that makes it hard for food to go down.

I think it comes down to personality. Some people are probably actually calmed down by the slow, methodical nature of the 48 hour regime. Me, I'm going stat dose because I'd like to keep it simple and as close to "drink the poison, pass out, die" as possible.

 

[Emily123]

I think it comes down to personality. Some people are probably actually calmed down by the slow, methodical nature of the 48 hour regime. Me, I'm going stat dose because I'd like to keep it simple and as close to "drink the poison, pass out, die" as possible.

I agree . I can not tolerate the 48 hours regim(anxioty makes me crazy) but I could imagine to take meto this morning then drink SN after one hour.

 

[a.h]

I didn't mean it's good idea if you did that.
I would hope some miracles took your worries away.