SN and Propranolol

[Richard Langford]

It's often recommended to take Propranolol as part of the protocol. Would any Betablocker work? Like Bisoprolol?

 

[APeacefulPlace]

Would be interested to know the answer to your question as well, I'm unsure : )

 

[Richard Langford]

Would be interested to know the answer to your question as well, I'm unsure : )

Hmmm. Broadly speaking they do the same thing. And if you (I) have one to hand and not the other...

Would be interested to know the answer to your question as well, I'm unsure : )

I've actually found I can get both. Well I have Bisoprolol and I can aquire Propranolol. Like you I'm just wondering if Propranolol serves a particular purpose specifically?

 

[identity0]

edit: this seems incorrect, see later posts
Propanolol is no longer recommended afaik. Some cite a newer edition of the PPH but i havent read it myself. Not sure if i remember correctly, but the reason may have been that there is some evidence that propanolol makes the process take a little longer. In previous protocols I got the impression that it was simply to mitigate discomfort from tachycardia (so I suppose any beta blocker would achieve that). Sorry for the uncertainty in my post, just sharing what i remember reading, hopefully someone else can confirm or you can find some other posts by searching.

 

[Overwhelmed52]

Does Propranolol take the place of Benzos? I can get Propranolol but I can't get Benzos. If there any other good substitute for Benzos?

 

[Richard Langford]

Propanolol is no longer recommended afaik. Some cite a newer edition of the PPH but i havent read it myself. Not sure if i remember correctly, but the reason may have been that there is some evidence that propanolol makes the process take a little longer. In previous protocols I got the impression that it was simply to mitigate discomfort from tachycardia (so I suppose any beta blocker would achieve that). Sorry for the uncertainty in my post, just sharing what i remember reading, hopefully someone else can confirm or you can find some other posts by searching.

No, all input is helpful and minimising discomfort is no small thing is it?

Does Propranolol take the place of Benzos? I can get Propranolol but I can't get Benzos. If there any other good substitute for Benzos?

My understanding is its to limit tachycardic distress for the user as opposed to general anti anxiety. Others may no much more than me re this?

 

[Valhala]

Propranolol was previously treated as a "luxury" medication that only reduces tachycardia and thus alleviates unpleasant effects. Later I read that some doctors even recommend it because, by reducing the rapid heartbeat, it also reduces the flow of oxygen through the blood, which should speed up the process. on the other hand, there are opinions that its application actually slows down the process. According to Sten's guide, it is the tool of choice and a "luxury" medication that reduces unpleasant tachycardia. Personally, I think that the benefit of it is greater than the potential harm. (in terms of slowing down the process), if I had it in my possession I would definitely use it. I note that this is just my personal opinion based on all the information I have come across.

 

[APeacefulPlace]

Propanolol is no longer recommended afaik. Some cite a newer edition of the PPH but i havent read it myself. Not sure if i remember correctly, but the reason may have been that there is some evidence that propanolol makes the process take a little longer. In previous protocols I got the impression that it was simply to mitigate discomfort from tachycardia (so I suppose any beta blocker would achieve that). Sorry for the uncertainty in my post, just sharing what i remember reading, hopefully someone else can confirm or you can find some other posts by searching.

Propranolol was not recommended in earlier editions but now its changed. The latest edition of ppeh advises 400 mg Propranolol in the SN protocol along with a recent snippet recording ( 2024 ) in which Dr. Nitschke states, " What propranolol does, is it stops messages from the brain to the heart to pump faster, the heart doesn't react to the message, speeding up the death because the brain isn't getting less effective and poor-carrying blood, with little oxygen, so you die quicker. " my understanding of what Dr. Nitschke means is less blood pumping -> less oxygen carried to the brain -> Consciousness shuts down quicker to preserve little oxygen that's left. Hope this clears things up : )

Does Propranolol take the place of Benzos? I can get Propranolol but I can't get Benzos. If there any other good substitute for Benzos?

Unfortunately it does not, the two are completely different types of drugs. B-Blockers block receptors that adrenaline binds to and BZDs slows down brain and nervous system activity. As for suitable substitutes to BZDs, I would recommend Z-drugs. For more info, check out this guide.

Propranolol was previously treated as a "luxury" medication that only reduces tachycardia and thus alleviates unpleasant effects. Later I read that some doctors even recommend it because, by reducing the rapid heartbeat, it also reduces the flow of oxygen through the blood, which should speed up the process. on the other hand, there are opinions that its application actually slows down the process. According to Sten's guide, it is the tool of choice and a "luxury" medication that reduces unpleasant tachycardia. Personally, I think that the benefit of it is greater than the potential harm. (in terms of slowing down the process), if I had it in my possession I would definitely use it. I note that this is just my personal opinion based on all the information I have come across.

I also agree the benefits of Prop outweigh the potential harm, I haven't yet read any threads stating it slows down the process. Would you kindly link some threads if you know any? Thanks in advance!

 

[identity0]

Propranolol was not recommended in earlier editions but now its changed. The latest edition of ppeh advises 400 mg Propranolol in the SN protocol along with a recent snippet recording ( 2024 ) in which Dr. Nitschke states, " What propranolol does, is it stops messages from the brain to the heart to pump faster, the heart doesn't react to the message, speeding up the death because the brain isn't getting less effective and poor-carrying blood, with little oxygen, so you die quicker. " my understanding of what Dr. Nitschke means is less blood pumping -> less oxygen carried to the brain -> Consciousness shuts down quicker to preserve little oxygen that's left. Hope this clears things up : )

I also agree the benefits of Prop outweigh the potential harm, I haven't yet read any threads stating it slows down the process. Would you kindly link some threads if you know any? Thanks in advance!

I found this one from over 2 years ago: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...om-nitschke-in-sept-update.98522/post-1772381

I suppose PPH have jumped back and forth about whether to recommend propanolol, and the current state of knowledge is that it is recommended. Thanks for correcting my knowledge

 

[Richard Langford]

Propranolol was not recommended in earlier editions but now its changed. The latest edition of ppeh advises 400 mg Propranolol in the SN protocol along with a recent snippet recording ( 2024 ) in which Dr. Nitschke states, " What propranolol does, is it stops messages from the brain to the heart to pump faster, the heart doesn't react to the message, speeding up the death because the brain isn't getting less effective and poor-carrying blood, with little oxygen, so you die quicker. " my understanding of what Dr. Nitschke means is less blood pumping -> less oxygen carried to the brain -> Consciousness shuts down quicker to preserve little oxygen that's left. Hope this clears things up : )

Unfortunately it does not, the two are completely different types of drugs. B-Blockers block receptors that adrenaline binds to and BZDs slows down brain and nervous system activity. As for suitable substitutes to BZDs, I would recommend Z-drugs. For more info, check out this guide.


I also agree the benefits of Prop outweigh the potential harm, I haven't yet read any threads stating it slows down the process. Would you kindly link some threads if you know any? Thanks in advance!

I can get it so its fine. Thank you for the reply.

 

[parasite_eve]

Propranolol was not recommended in earlier editions but now its changed. The latest edition of ppeh advises 400 mg Propranolol in the SN protocol along with a recent snippet recording ( 2024 ) in which Dr. Nitschke states, " What propranolol does, is it stops messages from the brain to the heart to pump faster, the heart doesn't react to the message, speeding up the death because the brain isn't getting less effective and poor-carrying blood, with little oxygen, so you die quicker. " my understanding of what Dr. Nitschke means is less blood pumping -> less oxygen carried to the brain -> Consciousness shuts down quicker to preserve little oxygen that's left. Hope this clears things up : )

Unfortunately it does not, the two are completely different types of drugs. B-Blockers block receptors that adrenaline binds to and BZDs slows down brain and nervous system activity. As for suitable substitutes to BZDs, I would recommend Z-drugs. For more info, check out this guide.


I also agree the benefits of Prop outweigh the potential harm, I haven't yet read any threads stating it slows down the process. Would you kindly link some threads if you know any? Thanks in advance!

Super helpful to know 2024 changed on Propranolol!

Has it also updated to recommend antacids?

 

[APeacefulPlace]

Super helpful to know 2024 changed on Propranolol!

Has it also updated to recommend antacids?

Unfortunately it has not, not advised to take antacids, hope you find what you're looking for : )