Should non-suicidal members be allowed on Sanctioned Suicide?

[noname223]

I wasn't sure whether the better question would have been "Should non-suicidal members be allowed to post on Sanctioned Suicide?"

My answer is a clear yes. There are multiple reasons for that.

Otherwise this forum would become an echo-chamber.
There are some scenarios why non-suicidal people are on SaSu.

Some of them mourn about a loss in their life and want to understand why their loved one's chose this path. There are quite some essays that show compassion for the members of this forum even though their loved ones were members on here. However, some of them also consider this forum the ultimate form of evil because of this. Some griefing parents, partners, friends become suicidal themselves.

I think we should not gatekeep this forum too much. I can understand though that it is not allowed to post anything on here everywhere. On both sides of the extreme.

There is another reason why this regulation would not be good. Who shall control that? There are people who recover from suicidality. Why should we kick these people out? It would disincentivice people from recovering because they had to fear to lose this community.

There is one thing I wonder though. What is the intention of people who visit this forum with no reason related to suicide? Maybe out of morbid curiousity. I still wonder whether all (or at least the majority) of the guests who are online are actual humans and not bots. I could imagine the following. As a teenager I watched some gore. I had suicidal thoughts but never acknowledged them. Maybe there is some traumata in them maybe in their subconscious which they are not aware of. And maybe one day this traumata will haunt them. There was this German Youtuber Juliensblog. A disgusting asshole joked about people who ctb, bragged to have watched gore, extremely sexist rap texts. Some years ago he disappeared. Noone knew why. I think 1-2 years ago he tried a comeback with his channel. He was obese (something he mocked others for) and his face seemed emotionless. I assume pretty strongly he had a psychosis and took antipsychotics. Earlier he also mentioned how his dad beated him up as a child and stuff like that. Maybe the inner darkness the people feel who are attracted to this forum is not on the surface yet. There are symptoms showing but the emergence as a condition has not happened yet.

What do you think?

 

[NonEssential]

Otherwise this forum would become an echo-chamber.

Pretty much answered your own question with this one sentence.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Yeah sure why not as long as they are not disrespectful.

I think the guy you were talking about was projecting from the beginning but it doesn't excuse his actions.

 

[moonlightbeach]

100% agree on the echo chamber; I still treat sasu as a discussion space that can be educational and can help others understand what issues people face and give some more exposure and different point of view on the world, as well as some common issues and concerns around suicide, the distrust of medicine, right to die laws, religion etc.

Some of them mourn about a loss in their life and want to understand why their loved one's chose this path

I've seen plenty of these, it's a great feeling when someone wants to try and understand

Maybe the inner darkness the people feel who are attracted to this forum is not on the surface yet

Most likely

 

[amor.dor]

There are people who study this site. I've seen scientific papers about this place.

 

[heatnormal]

i think people posting on sasu should have past experiences of suicidal ideation or attempts -- can't really prove that to admins tho. captcha of suicidality before posting? if they're not trying to convince anyone one way or another; it's fine.

There are symptoms showing but the emergence as a condition has not happened yet.

true, or just curiosity. like a forbidden fruit.

 

[Seneca65AD]

Interesting question - to me, membership administration (i.e. "gatekeeping") is a slippery slope. What is non-suicidal? I have attempted in the past (numerous times), but have not attempted for over a decade. Now, that does not mean I don't have suicidal ideations. I have a permanent plan in place that gets modified periodically. However, things tend to happen which push me away from engaging the plan; and other aspects of life then push me towards it.

So, by the strictest definition of the term, I am "non-suicidal" at the moment. But, in full transparency, my age tends to make me against immediate suicide for the young if done for environment purposes (financial, social, familial, etc.) (chronic physical pain is different). Does that make me "anti-suicide"? As stated in previous posts, I am not against suicide, I am more of a "what's the rush" type of guy. Hell, at worst, I'm guilty of being "hypocritical" in that my plan to CTB is basically hinged upon my firm's financial success (but my death does result in a nice tax-free financial windfall for my family), and I am self-aware enough to realize that the majority would look at my net-financial positon and say that I am in the 1% so I don't have any real problems.

The above leads me to try to be cognizant that no one can truly know another's pain; and if CTB is the only way that person feels they can deal with the pain, then really that is their decision.... and for me, that is what SaSu is about - self determination to decide if self termination is appropriate. I am pro-choice - but to be clear, that does not mean "pro-suicide" in all circumstances.

 

[urgent]

I don't like to think of anyone doing a paper on here but I guess if they are learning in order to help it's a good thing. I kind of always think of everyone here wanting to ctb but if others are here to be supportive that's okay too. I highly doubt my ridiculous hope of people being here because they are compassionate and want to help out, even taking such a risk because of seeing someone suffer, will ever happen. I just am that desperate, because I'm in so much pain and can't do more than swallow something fatal, or suffer until I die. If only I had thought to plan a way out, if I was slowly dying, in pain.I could have had my painless exit with dignity 3 years ago. I think everyone needs to plan a way while you can. Talk to your family, partner, about what you want if you are diagnosed with something where you just suffer and linger. You can go to another state or country for a painless medical drink or IV before dementia, alzheimers, depression leaves you mentally incompetent or physically or financially unable to escape the unbearable torture you bear when you don't have a plan. I don't wish it for even the worst criminal. Anyone who has a plan probably isn't in here.

 

[Dejected 55]

Why is this even a question? There is a Recovery section that has a lot of activity here... and if this site only allowed you here if you were definitely suicidal, they would be under even more scrutiny and framed as a site that helped people commit suicide and they would be under a lot more risk of being shut down than they already are.

 

[noname223]

Why is this even a question? There is a Recovery section that has a lot of activity here... and if this site only allowed you here if you were definitely suicidal, they would be under even more scrutiny and framed as a site that helped people commit suicide and they would be under a lot more risk of being shut down than they already are.

Because I wondered what the motivation of people might be who are not suicidal but still visiting this forum regularly. Maybe people who were never suicidal at all.

 

[Dejected 55]

Because I wondered what the motivation of people might be who are not suicidal but still visiting this forum regularly. Maybe people who were never suicidal at all.

Do you know that there are people here that fit that description? One, or a few or a lot? Someone who signs up just to actively discourage suicides here would be figured out pretty quickly I would think... someone just trolling and not at all interested in depression or suicide or recovery... it just seems like it is a solution in need of a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[noname223]

Do you know that there are people here that fit that description? One, or a few or a lot? Someone who signs up just to actively discourage suicides here would be figured out pretty quickly I would think... someone just trolling and not at all interested in depression or suicide or recovery... it just seems like it is a solution in need of a problem that doesn't exist.

Today I read this thread.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/telegram-group-chat.147944/

It is a telegram group related to this forum and the obligation is to be highly acute suicidal with no way back. This idea which is in my opinion questionable and dangerous let me think about the question that was posed in this thread.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Today I read this thread.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/telegram-group-chat.147944/

It is a telegram group related to this forum and the obligation is to be highly acute suicidal with no way back. This idea which is in my opinion questionable and dangerous let me think about the question that was posed in this thread.

That ain't official.
I could make one but you'd have to be a vegan to join... that doesn't represent SaSu as a whole...only what that person thinks.

And more than that, it's more of their group that has ties to people who are also on SaSu. So again nothing official..

 

[DarkRange55]

I wonder who that would be…?

 

[leloyon]

I wonder who that would be…?

 

[Pluto]

 

[NormallyNeurotic]

"Should non-suicidal members be allowed on Sanctioned Suicide?"

*Looks at the recovery section*

Pretty sure that's the goal...

Because I wondered what the motivation of people might be who are not suicidal but still visiting this forum regularly. Maybe people who were never suicidal at all.

I have found so much community here beyond suicidality. Also, sometimes people struggle but never become suicidal. They may still benefit from the mostly-uncensored nature of this forum.

 

[A_Spartan_Dead]

As long as they're not some gov control agency or the like I think it's fine. People should all have somewhere to discuss their pain or plans when life is trapping them.

 

[gnarly]

I think it's completely fine as long as they're willing to lend a helping hand and not watch from the sidelines.

 

[enough of this]

Of course. Everyone has something to offer.

 

[Arvayn]

I am presently non-suicidal and of good mental health, though I have experienced suicidal ideation in the past and also attempted. I use this place as a way to share my taboo and controversial thoughts and experiences, as well as a way to pass time when I am bored. I think there are a lot of interesting and zany people here. It is also a sobering forum to browse, since it's a side of reality that is often hidden from us or frowned upon to speak of.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it's good the forum has different sections. I suspect a lot of the less suicidal peoole get funnelled towards 'recovery' or 'off topic'.

But, I agree. I think part of the richness here is to have different viewpoints. I think what's important though is to respect people's feelings. Some people will be receptive to advice and a more positive take while it will infuriate others. I think it's important for us all to try and read what a person may or may not want.

I think there's also the difference between passively and actively suicidal. Someone passively suicidal may never do it. Some of us are also holding on for loved ones to go first. In which case, we may well be stuck here for years. The forum provides a great sense of community and comfort for some of us in those situations.

There used to be flare ups on the main forum now and again that the subjects were too off topic or, members were too cheerful (effectively). I don't know if that still goes on. I think there will always be these tiffs when some people want one thing and others want another but I think the forum does a great job of providing a space for most to have a voice.

 

[BlockedintheUK]

@heatnormal the suicide captcha idea is funny as hell lol
I think anyone with good intentions should be welcome here no need for a suicidal past.

 

[ceelobling]

I still wonder whether all (or at least the majority) of the guests who are online are actual humans and not bots.

Guests can browse here without making an account, but if the whole site was locked and you couldn't view anything without an account, I feel like there would be a lot of dummy accounts made by curious people.

 

[Heraskov]

Because I wondered what the motivation of people might be who are not suicidal but still visiting this forum regularly. Maybe people who were never suicidal at all.

(Sorry if this post is grammatically strange. It is past my usual bedtime)
To share my own two cents as one of those people, I found two reasons to make an account. The first motivation was intellectual, as I wanted to learn more about CTB methods for the simple sake of curiosity, and the second was emotional, as, after a time of reading through posts on here as a guest, I eventually grew a desire to not only read folks' stories on here, but to also try and share some kindness with them in order to help them find peace and comfort in this existence and in their fate.

My personal worldview does not necessarily encourage suicide, however, on here, it's not like being obnoxious and writing cliche, subjective phrases about the value of life is going to change anyone's decision about their fate, so, with that in mind, what I want to offer to others is plain kindness no matter what decision they make with their existence, as that kindness is what can actually affect people positively and bring an ounce of joy to their mortal life no matter how they seek to find peace in it.

 

[X-sanguinate86]

No, I don't think it works well.

I've lurked here for years and seen the site change. It was better when it was more distinct from the same slop that forms the outside world that made me suicidal.

I think it's a shame there is even a recovery section. It was only added after pressure was placed on the original creators of the site.

As for the "echo chamber" objection, that's always just a matter of degree and in any case everyone can find every non-suicidal opinion they want anywhere and everywhere else all the time non-stop.

 

[DeathByBananabread]

I feel like that just sort of happens naturally as people here who joined while extremely suicidal sometimes just naturally recover or change their minds. Honestly I see a lot of regulars who seem to have joined in-crisis but have since entered some sort of tolerable equilibrium with their lives or even, somehow, actually enjoy how their lives are now, but still regularly post either out of enjoyment for the community for force-of-habit.

I'm not even sure how "suicidals only" would be enforced. Do we give people regular pop-ups asking if they're still suicidal? Do we hold people accountable to their suicide date? How would we do that without it basically being suicide-baiting harassment?