Should cannibalism be allowed? o_o

[Roulette]

Yummy

I heard someone bring up an interesting arguement... the consent between two adults should always be allowed without any legal interference.

I mean, if you want to be eaten or eat somebody... who are we to stop you? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can a human even be treated like other slaughtered animals when put through the meat industry?

 

[millefeui]

Hmm... Yeah, no.

Edit: To elaborate a bit, I think the world is messed up enough as it is now.

 

[Throwaway563078]

No. And I hope I'm dead before I see this legalized or mainstream. Figuratively humans can be cannibals. We can eat and devour each other alive, causing pain

 

[Mr2005]

Consents overrated. This is a good illustration of why. It can just give sickos a free pass and yes this includes sexually. Controversial! (like I care anymore)

 

[Miss clefable]

Hey kid ever had human hand sorry I'm a vegetarian

 

[Miss clefable]

This whole consent thing I want it to apply to assisted suicide more than anything

 

[Roulette]

I guess the essence here is just how far can a pro-choice stance be taken?
All for personal freedom, as long as you're not infringing on others rights
But when this was brought up to me, it was like... uh. A bit too radical?
It doesn't seem hypocritical...

Well this was certainly a unique(?) way of challenging the idea. Much better attempt than any other pro-lifer I guess.

 

[worldexploder]

Now THIS is offtopic haha. Reminds me of that case in Germany several years ago were this guy had a fetish for being eaten alive and finally found someone who was willing to do it. It was pretty gruesome and I can't see how anyone would want that.

Cannibalism should be completely off the menu unless you're in some sort of survival situation were you have to eat a corpse to stay alive. I think I'd rather starve to death.

 

[hunter_lewis]

No.
I believe eating animals is different to eating humans. In my eyes, animals do not have a right to life because they are of a lower intelligence than humans and they do not worry about their own existence. They stay alive purely out of instinct. Animals do not commit suicide (there have been anecdotal cases or cases that look like it, to date it is not explained.)
Humans have a right to life and so eating them is more morally wrong than eating an animal. It causes suffering and should not be done except in extreme circumstances. Giving consent is not enough-that way every sicko can beat you over the head with an axe and say that you gave consent.
I am a proud vegetarian because I believe that animals can suffer and the way they suffer in the mass industry is horrifying. I also do not buy products that have been tested on animals and do not buy down or fur. There is literally no end to the perversion that humans cause to animals. I believe that more people should be aware of the suffering caused to animals in these industries. In my eyes, knowing about it and not caring is heartlness.

 

[worldexploder]

No.
I believe eating animals is different to eating humans. In my eyes, animals do not have a right to life because they are of a lower intelligence than humans and they do not worry about their own existence. They stay alive purely out of instinct. Animals do not commit suicide (there have been anecdotal cases or cases that look like it, to date it is not explained.)
Humans have a right to life and so eating them is more morally wrong than eating an animal. It causes suffering and should not be done except in extreme circumstances. Giving consent is not enough-that way every sicko can beat you over the head with an axe and say that you gave consent.
I am a proud vegetarian because I believe that animals can suffer and the way they suffer in the mass industry is horrifying. I also do not buy products that have been tested on animals and do not buy down or fur. There is literally no end to the perversion that humans cause to animals. I believe that more people should be aware of the suffering caused to animals in these industries. In my eyes, knowing about it and not caring is heartlness.

According to the laws of nature, human and non human animals are the same. We all are born, struggle, then die. Similar fate. If I was to take a stroll amongst the lions in the African savanna they would eat me alive. But if nature declared me "better" that shouldn't be possible.

This entire life process is morally wrong in my opinion. It's so unbelievably backwards and fucked up.

 

[Jovaras]

 

[Mr2005]

According to the laws of nature, human and non human animals are the same. We all are born, struggle, then die. Similar fate. If I was to take a stroll amongst the lions in the African savanna they would eat me alive. But if nature declared me "better" that shouldn't be possible.

We're all pawns in a cruel game someones playing

 

[hunter_lewis]

According to the laws of nature, human and non human animals are the same. We all are born, struggle, then die. Similar fate. If I was to take a stroll amongst the lions in the African savanna they would eat me alive. But if nature declared me "better" that shouldn't be possible.

This entire life process is morally wrong in my opinion. It's so unbelievably backwards and fucked up.

actually lions don't really like humans and mostly don't attack them.
I don't think life is wrong. I would much actually prefer the savannah to the big city life-at least you have a good chance of nature killing you along the way so you don't have to do it yourself and also you don't have to be a wage slave for 45 years

 

[Mr2005]

Nature at least has a reason. It's own survival. Human beings have no excuses whatsoever

 

[worldexploder]

actually lions don't really like humans and mostly don't attack them.
I don't think life is wrong. I would much actually prefer the savannah to the big city life-at least you have a good chance of nature killing you along the way so you don't have to do it yourself and also you don't have to be a wage slave for 45 years

All this suffering we experience as sentient beings makes life a negative imposition. I don't think anyone would chose to live like this if they had an option beforehand. I think living out in the wild would be just as much as if not more hellatois than living in a concrete jungle.

 

[hunter_lewis]

All this suffering that we experience as sentient beings connects all life forms with a nervous system. I don't think anyone would chose to live like this if they had an option beforehand. I think living out in the wild would be just as much as if not more hellatois than living in a concrete jungle.

I definitely agree with you that both are very difficult and hellish. I dislike it when people say something like, 'Be greatful!! At least you are not starving to death in Africa!'
In my afterlife beliefs, people actually choose to incarnate here but that is a whole different topic.
It still does not change the harshness of life. But I do not thing that life per se is evil, or bad. Nature is a beautiful thing and I am glad it exists.

 

[Mr2005]

I do think the world can be a beautiful place but life itself isn't

 

[Mr2005]

If everything has to die anyway then pain shouldn't exist

 

[worldexploder]

I definitely agree with you that both are very difficult and hellish. I dislike it when people say something like, 'Be greatful!! At least you are not starving to death in Africa!'
In my afterlife beliefs, people actually choose to incarnate here but that is a whole different topic.
It still does not change the harshness of life. But I do not thing that life per se is evil, or bad. Nature is a beautiful thing and I am glad it exists.

I don't personally see how nature is a positive since it produces endless suffering. Need for needs sake when we would all be better off to have never been.

I am curious - how did you come to believe in your version of the afterlife.

 

[Roulette]

Now THIS is offtopic haha. Reminds me of that case in Germany several years ago were this guy had a fetish for being eaten alive and finally found someone who was willing to do it. It was pretty gruesome and I can't see how anyone would want that.

Cannibalism should be completely off the menu unless you're in some sort of survival situation were you have to eat a corpse to stay alive. I think I'd rather starve to death.

Thank you very much for the video. 44 minutes but it was worth watching. The criminal psychologist answered a lot of things that I was kinda afraid to google :o It's fun to watch the clockworks of the legal system run.

 

[worldexploder]

Thank you very much for the video. 44 minutes but it was worth watching. The criminal psychologist answered a lot of things that I was kinda afraid to google :o It's fun to watch the clockworks of the legal system run.

No problem. I love watching weird documentaries like that.

 

[hunter_lewis]

I don't personally see how nature is a positive since it produces endless suffering. Need for needs sake when we would all be better off to have never been.

I am curious - how did you come to believe in your version of the afterlife.

I read about NDEs and then met someone who had one and it changed my whole view of things. I have read so many scientific articles about it and believe it to be real. It describes many things that science cannot.
However, this of course is open to debate and maybe I am a fool for believing it. Who knows. But it makes life much much sweeter than the other way around.
Imo animals can feel sadness, joy and pain too like we can.
Of course nature produces suffering-but it also produces great joy. Just see how freely and beautifully the eagle flies across the sky without barely flapping its wings or how easily the dolphin swims through water when it joins its own kind-animals do not suffer 24/7 and neither do most humans. Sure there are very cruel moments, like when tigers hunt. But they hunt weak and sick animals which would have starved to death anyway or have succumbed to their injuries-it is a very merciful thing. Animals are not like us who shoot a prize buck in his prime.
The cruelty begins when we lock animals up in cages or breed them for their flesh.

 

[worldexploder]

I read about NDEs and then met someone who had one and it changed my whole view of things. I have read so many scientific articles about it and believe it to be real. It describes many things that science cannot.
However, this of course is open to debate and maybe I am a fool for believing it. Who knows. But it makes life much much sweeter than the other way around.
Imo animals can feel sadness, joy and pain too like we can.
Of course nature produces suffering-but it also produces great joy. Just see how freely and beautifully the eagle flies across the sky without barely flapping its wings or how easily the dolphin swims through water when it joins its own kind-animals do not suffer 24/7 and neither do most humans. Sure there are very cruel moments, like when tigers hunt. But they hunt weak and sick animals which would have starved to death anyway or have succumbed to their injuries-it is a very merciful thing. Animals are not like us who shoot a prize buck in his prime.
The cruelty begins when we lock animals up in cages or breed them for their flesh.

Have you ever heard of the God of the Gaps fallacy? It's a common logical fallacy were people assert that things that cannot be currently explained by science must be supernatural in origin. Take a rainbow for example - before we understood the causality of the optical phenomenon, we chalked it up to "god did it". Same with diseases before we discovered the microscope. Same with schizophrenia and acid trips.

This brings me to NDEs. Until the 2000s, science couldn't explain why they happened. Now we understand that it is caused mostly by chemicals in your brain going haywire when it starts to lose oxygen. Those same chemicals are also responsible for the very powerful feelings described by people who had NDEs; such as hyperawearenss, feelings of calm, and that your "soul" has left the body. These feelings can now be recreated in labs. In short - it's natures last acid trip. While we don't fully understand all the mechanism behind it, it's safe to say that it's a totally physical phenomenon. The mind can play all sorts of insane tricks on us. You wouldn't call schizophrenic induced hallucinations of being supernatural in origin would you?

When it comes to life and animals, I adhere to the Efilist viewpoint. Maybe this video will help you understand where I am coming from. It starts off talking about antinatalism but then goes much deeper into the nature of our biosphere.

 

[hunter_lewis]

Have you ever heard of the God of the Gaps fallacy? It's a common logical fallacy were people assert that things that cannot be currently explained by science must be supernatural in origin. Take a rainbow for example - before we understood the causality of the optical phenomenon, we chalked it up to "god did it". Same with diseases before we discovered the microscope. Same with schizophrenia and acid trips.

This brings me to NDEs. Until the 2000s, science couldn't explain why they happened. Now we understand that it is caused mostly by chemicals in your brain going haywire when it begins to lose oxygen. Those same chemicals are also responsible for feelings described by people who had NDEs such as hyperawearenss, feelings of calm, and that your "soul" has left the body. These feelings can now be recreated in labs. In short - it's natures last acid trip. While we don't fully understand all the mechanism behind it, it's safe to say that it's a totally physical phenomenon. The mind can play all sorts of insane tricks on us. You wouldn't call schizophrenic induced hallucinations of being supernatural in origin would you?

When it comes to life and animals, I adhere to the Efilist viewpoint. Maybe this video will help you understand where I am coming from:

Efilism and anti natalism are way too negative and dark for me to agree with and also in my opinion, not the correct way to view at life in general. However, I respect your right to another opinion because I think life where everyone thinks the same would be very boring.
if you want to debate on the NDE thing in detail, I suggest we go over to the afterlife thread as here it is not fitting to topic. I have been reading about this for years and there are many arguments against the 'it is all only in your brain and caused by it' theory. Let's just leave it at that in this specific thread otherwise the mods will ban this thread.

 

[worldexploder]

Efilism and anti natalism are way too negative and dark for me to agree with and also in my opinion, not the correct way to view at life in general. However, I respect your right to another opinion because I think life where everyone thinks the same would be very boring.
if you want to debate on the NDE thing in detail, I suggest we go over to the afterlife thread as here it is not fitting to topic. I have been reading about this for years and there are many arguments against the 'it is all only in your brain and caused by it' theory. Let's just leave it at that in this specific thread otherwise the mods will ban this thread.

Fair enough. Thanks for the warning about the religion thing. I respect your viewpoint as well.

 

[hunter_lewis]

Fair enough. Thanks for the warning about the religion thing. I respect your viewpoint as well.

sure, no problem. Have a great day and see you around on this forum

 

[worldexploder]

sure, no problem. Have a great day and see you around on this forum

You too buddy.

 

[Schopenhauer]

If you mean murdering someone and eating their flesh, no, I don't think it should be legal. There's too much potential for abuse.

Even for suicide, which concerns me, I want it to be legal, but in a carefully circumscribed way. E.g, you can get the drugs to do it yourself, and those who are physically incapable of acting could do it in a hospital, with trained personnel. Sadists shouldn't be allowed to kill suicidal people, because of the potential abuse.