Method Shallow water blackout- failure risks.

[Livingvsdying25]

As with all methods I think about the risks if not successful. What are the risks with Shallow water blackout? Is it drowning painfully? Or surviving with some kinda damage? Does it lead to death either way?

 

[hardtruth]

Drowning is really painful if conscious. It's like swallowing fire. Try to place your head underneath water and start inhaling in water, you'll experience the pain and discomfort. Especially once water enters the lungs.

Eventually it will lead to death. Takes 2 minutes to become unconscious and another 2 minutes to pass. Trust me those 2 minutes will be the longest 2 mins of your life.

 

[SomewhatLoved]

The risks sort of depend on how you do it. For example, if you do SWB in a body of water the risks are a lot different than if you did it in a tub of water or something. I plan to do it in a river in my city, and for me, the risks of failure involve waking back up or not getting sufficiently hyperventilated/hypoxic and then drowning "naturally" from exhaustion, which is very painful and would involve being asphyxiated while you're awake. Also, if you were unsuccessful (ex., you washed up on the beach or someone alerted emergency services before you fully died due to cell death), you might survive with some degree of brain damage, which could cripple you for the rest of your life and prevent further attempts and just generally ruin your quality of life.

On the other hand, if you attempt it in a container of some kind or a tub, I think the biggest risk would be your body moving while you're unconscious in some sort of survival instinct and resulting in you being able to breathe (ex., your body jerks and your nose/mouth is brought above water so you can breath). Another big risk for this method is being found and someone resuscitating you, but that all depends on the specifics of how, where, and when you do it.

In my opinion, SWB is quite possibly one of the best methods to CTB because as long as you're practised enough with inducing syncope/fainting and you can determine a way to keep yourself from "reoxygenating", you're pretty much set. Like anything else, the method is only as good as its execution so I think you just gotta be planned with how you choose to pull it off.

What I plan on doing is squatting in water that is deep enough to nearly submerge me but still allows me to breathe, and then once sufficiently hyperventilated standing up and leaning forward while facing away from the beach so I fall into deeper water (depth increases fairly rapidly in this river). I'm also going to create some sort of weighted device that I can attach to the front of my body so that my front is weighed down and I am prevented from rolling over and being face up in the water. That is something I could see as a possible complication, as if you rolled over and started breathing again you might survive with brain damage or wake up and then drown "naturally".

Drowning is really painful if conscious. It's like swallowing fire. Try to place your head underneath water and start inhaling in water, you'll experience the pain and discomfort. Especially once water enters the lungs.

Eventually it will lead to death. Takes 2 minutes to become unconscious and another 2 minutes to pass. Trust me those 2 minutes will be the longest 2 mins of your life.

It doesn't necessarily have to be painful. If you can get yourself hypoxic enough to faint before being face-down in the water, you could probably stay unconscious and just pass once your body completely runs out of O2.

 

[Dying Knight]

On the other hand, if you attempt it in a container of some kind or a tub, I think the biggest risk would be your body moving while you're unconscious in some sort of survival instinct and resulting in you being able to breathe (ex., your body jerks and your nose/mouth is brought above water so you can breath).

That is very unlikely. When you passed out due to hypoxia, your brain can't move your body just like an autopilot. Some jerking is possible, but it won't be strong enough for letting you resume breathing out of water. Inhaling water is very likely though.

It doesn't necessarily have to be painful. If you can get yourself hypoxic enough to faint before being face-down in the water, you could probably stay unconscious and just pass once your body completely runs out of O2.

If you replace oxygen in your lungs with an asphyxiant gas, you may pass out much faster than with simple hyperventilation. It's possible to buy a 400ml - 500ml balloon with butane that may be inhaled right before diving or even when you're underwater.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

It doesn't necessarily have to be painful. If you can get yourself hypoxic enough to faint before being face-down in the water, you could probably stay unconscious and just pass once your body completely runs out of O2.

Do you have any advice to offer regarding inducing hypoxia or fainting? Have you been able to hyperventilate in order to make yourself pass out? This is still a method I'm considering alongside hanging and I'm trying to obtain as much information as possible. I for some reason like the idea of going by SWB, if I can bypass the hypercapnic alarm response, that is.

 

[SomewhatLoved]

Do you have any advice to offer regarding inducing hypoxia or fainting? Have you been able to hyperventilate in order to make yourself pass out? This is still a method I'm considering alongside hanging and I'm trying to obtain as much information as possible. I for some reason like the idea of going by SWB, if I can bypass the hypercapnic alarm response, that is.

My advice is just to practice. Might sound stupid but if you want to be successful, you have to think of suicide as more of a medical procedure and less of a ritual, because that's essentially what suicide is. Suicide by bleeding is essentially just phlebotomy, SWB/hanging is induced obstructive shock, and overdose is medical administration (the only difference is it kills you instead of having a therapeutic effect). The way I practiced is to stand on a mattress or something soft you can fall onto without hurting yourself, and hyperventilating yourself. The way I find best to do it is to breathe as deep as you can in about 0.5 seconds, and then breathe out as much as you can in another 0.5 seconds. The average adult takes one breath every ~6 seconds, so if you do this repeatedly you're essentially breathing 12 times as fast as you normally would. If you breathe that quickly with no physical exertion, your body will replenish oxygen much faster than it needs to and you will be left with very little CO2 in your blood. Breathe at that rate for anywhere from 1 to 15 minutes (how long you have to do it is different for everyone and you just need to figure out what your body is like). Generally, the more fit you are the quicker you can hyperventilate yourself because your lungs will be more efficient at gas exchange (sort of ironic because you probably don't imagine athletes being better at suffocating). Then stand up, put your thumb in your mouth, and blow as hard as you can without letting any air out (this will rapidly drop your BP and further asphyxiate you). If you're so keen, you can also use a pure inert gas to help further asphyxiate you as someone else has mentioned:

If you replace oxygen in your lungs with an asphyxiant gas, you may pass out much faster than with simple hyperventilation. It's possible to buy a 400ml - 500ml balloon with butane that may be inhaled right before diving or even when you're underwater.

That's the basic mechanism of inducing cerebral hypoxia, but it's only really half of the equation because you also need to keep yourself hypoxic after you faint/reach syncope. You don't even really need water technically, because you could probably use a bag tightened secured around your neck and nitrogen (or other) gas to suffocate yourself, but for people with no access to gasses and gas paraphernalia, it might be better to drown yourself (if you do it in a body of water, this can also aid you if you want to make your death look like an accident). You might also just be more comfortable drowning, because creating a gas delivery system is something that could probably be more likely to fail depending on your understanding of gas administration, but that's for you to decide.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

My advice is just to practice. Might sound stupid but if you want to be successful, you have to think of suicide as more of a medical procedure and less of a ritual, because that's essentially what suicide is. Suicide by bleeding is essentially just phlebotomy, SWB/hanging is induced obstructive shock, and overdose is medical administration (the only difference is it kills you instead of having a therapeutic effect). The way I practiced is to stand on a mattress or something soft you can fall onto without hurting yourself, and hyperventilating yourself. The way I find best to do it is to breathe as deep as you can in about 0.5 seconds, and then breathe out as much as you can in another 0.5 seconds. The average adult takes one breath every ~6 seconds, so if you do this repeatedly you're essentially breathing 12 times as fast as you normally would. If you breathe that quickly with no physical exertion, your body will replenish oxygen much faster than it needs to and you will be left with very little CO2 in your blood. Breathe at that rate for anywhere from 1 to 15 minutes (how long you have to do it is different for everyone and you just need to figure out what your body is like). Generally, the more fit you are the quicker you can hyperventilate yourself because your lungs will be more efficient at gas exchange (sort of ironic because you probably don't imagine athletes being better at suffocating). Then stand up, put your thumb in your mouth, and blow as hard as you can without letting any air out (this will rapidly drop your BP and further asphyxiate you). If you're so keen, you can also use a pure inert gas to help further asphyxiate you as someone else has mentioned:

That's a very good idea to think of it that way. I was also thinking about it like a game I'm trying to solve the puzzle of lol. SWB and Hanging are still the two main methods I'm considering right now and trying to work out. Thank you for the in depth reply.

 

[Dying Knight]

You don't even really need water technically, because you could probably use a bag tightened secured around your neck and nitrogen (or other) gas to suffocate yourself

Yes, and I think that both approaches are good, so it's just a matter of personal preference which one to choose.

but for people with no access to gasses and gas paraphernalia, it might be better to drown yourself

When people think about an inert gas and paraphernalia, they imagine big heavy gas cylinders and complex equipment, but such things are not really needed unless you're a perfectionist who wants to die with an ideal comfort. There are much more cheap, available, and simple solutions, such as air dusters which may serve the same purpose - displacing oxygen in your lungs with an asphyxiant gas. Although a cheap butane or freon may cause some unpleasant feelings, these feelings are not really much worse than those you'd have with long hyperventilation.

(if you do it in a body of water, this can also aid you if you want to make your death look like an accident).

Pretending to be an unlucky sniffer may also work.

You might also just be more comfortable drowning, because creating a gas delivery system is something that could probably be more likely to fail depending on your understanding of gas administration, but that's for you to decide.

There is no need in complicated gas delivery systems unless you want a luxurious death. And again, my point is that suffocation with gases and drowning are not mutually exclusive, they may work very well in combination. The gas from a duster balloon may be inhaled either straight from the nozzle or from a rubber balloon filled with the gas. There is no rocket science behind such actions.

 

[Chronicoverwhelm]

SWB is my plan A ( SN is plan B ) and I feel myself chickening out already
I just want my departure to look like an accident.

 

[aquasaltstripes]

My advice is just to practice. Might sound stupid but if you want to be successful, you have to think of suicide as more of a medical procedure and less of a ritual, because that's essentially what suicide is. Suicide by bleeding is essentially just phlebotomy, SWB/hanging is induced obstructive shock, and overdose is medical administration (the only difference is it kills you instead of having a therapeutic effect). The way I practiced is to stand on a mattress or something soft you can fall onto without hurting yourself, and hyperventilating yourself. The way I find best to do it is to breathe as deep as you can in about 0.5 seconds, and then breathe out as much as you can in another 0.5 seconds. The average adult takes one breath every ~6 seconds, so if you do this repeatedly you're essentially breathing 12 times as fast as you normally would. If you breathe that quickly with no physical exertion, your body will replenish oxygen much faster than it needs to and you will be left with very little CO2 in your blood. Breathe at that rate for anywhere from 1 to 15 minutes (how long you have to do it is different for everyone and you just need to figure out what your body is like). Generally, the more fit you are the quicker you can hyperventilate yourself because your lungs will be more efficient at gas exchange (sort of ironic because you probably don't imagine athletes being better at suffocating). Then stand up, put your thumb in your mouth, and blow as hard as you can without letting any air out (this will rapidly drop your BP and further asphyxiate you). If you're so keen, you can also use a pure inert gas to help further asphyxiate you as someone else has mentioned:



That's the basic mechanism of inducing cerebral hypoxia, but it's only really half of the equation because you also need to keep yourself hypoxic after you faint/reach syncope. You don't even really need water technically, because you could probably use a bag tightened secured around your neck and nitrogen (or other) gas to suffocate yourself, but for people with no access to gasses and gas paraphernalia, it might be better to drown yourself (if you do it in a body of water, this can also aid you if you want to make your death look like an accident). You might also just be more comfortable drowning, because creating a gas delivery system is something that could probably be more likely to fail depending on your understanding of gas administration, but that's for you to decide.

Viewing suicide as a medical procedure is a great way of looking at things. I feel like the more I see it as some grand philosophical decision, or a ritual like you said, it just makes it harder. Great info too. Do you think SWB would be possible in a small bathtub where I have to bend down and lie on my shins (as in the "child's pose" in yoga) in order to submerge myself? Also, a dumber, maybe more subjective question, but do you think hot water or cold water would be better?

 

[kaitekat23]

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