Safe Suicide Sites

[sometimesoon]

What do people think about safe suicide sites?

Somewhat like a safe injection site, it would be a place where you could be with supportive (non-judgemental) people who would make sure you do it right and in the most painless fashion.

I know this is not possible, but it's a parallel to a safe injection site. Regardless of what you do, you won't reduce all drug use, so you at least make it safe.

I think there is a parallel to suicides. Regardless of how you feel about it, it is really difficult to bring down the numbers. Now people often have really agonizing and painful exits. A safe suicide site would at least cut the pain.

I know this is just a fairy-tale story that is my head - but how do you feel about it?

Would you use a safe suicide site if the option was there - I would.

 

[exitingtothevoid]

I like this idea a lot. It solves a lot of my fears surrounding suicide. I would die in a supportive environment, instead of alone. I wouldn't be discovered and resuscitated in the middle of my attempt. My body won't be discovered by someone who didn't choose to discover a body and will be traumatized by that, and there won't be any cleanup if my body isn't discovered quickly.

I wish this existed and I would absolutely use it if it did.

 

[Theresnoescape]

Yep, I'd use it. I think most people who want to die would rather that, than some of the methods we're left with.

 

[andreamysk]

The parallel is fascinating, but not entirely overlapping, since the Supervised injection sites were created precisely to minimize overdose deaths (or the risk of contracting serious infectious diseases). Unfortunately, no 'official' body would support such an initiative and one would have to rely on a clandestine network of 100% reliable people (with the risk of infiltration, etc.). Furthermore, I don't know what the legislation is like in your country of residence, but in mine, Italy, the penal code condemns "Whoever causes others to commit suicide or strengthens another's intention to commit suicide, or facilitates its execution in any way (1), is punished, if the suicide occurs, with imprisonment from five to twelve years. If the suicide does not occur, he is punished with imprisonment from one to five years, provided that the suicide attempt results in serious or very serious personal injury (2)" (1=Facilitation can also occur by failure to intervene; 2=the penalties in both cases are increased if the person who commits or attempts suicide is a minor and/or mentally ill).
So, in my country, anyone present in one of these Safe Suicide Sites would be arrested and imprisoned for (at least) 5 years and up to 12.

 

[sometimesoon]

The parallel is fascinating, but not entirely overlapping, since the Supervised injection sites were created precisely to minimize overdose deaths (or the risk of contracting serious infectious diseases). Unfortunately, no 'official' body would support such an initiative and one would have to rely on a clandestine network of 100% reliable people (with the risk of infiltration, etc.). Furthermore, I don't know what the legislation is like in your country of residence, but in mine, Italy, the penal code condemns "Whoever causes others to commit suicide or strengthens another's intention to commit suicide, or facilitates its execution in any way (1), is punished, if the suicide occurs, with imprisonment from five to twelve years. If the suicide does not occur, he is punished with imprisonment from one to five years, provided that the suicide attempt results in serious or very serious personal injury (2)" (1=Facilitation can also occur by failure to intervene; 2=the penalties in both cases are increased if the person who commits or attempts suicide is a minor and/or mentally ill).
So, in my country, anyone present in one of these Safe Suicide Sites would be arrested and imprisoned for (at least) 5 years and up to 12.

I get yeah - its a fantasy thought

Yet allowing for something safe - however that is defined - for something that currently won't change the numbers has its appeals

 

[emma99]

I had friend who Over dosed and died at a House Partty and no one noticed until the morning as they just assumed he had nodded off. Having known the guy. although he never told me he was suicidal, but if he had been, then the house party was the most suportive place he could of overdosed at.

 

[sometimesoon]

I had friend who Over dosed and died at a House Partty and no one noticed until the morning as they just assumed he had nodded off. Having known the guy. although he never told me he was suicidal, but if he had been, then the house party was the most suportive place he could of overdosed at.

That is a really interesting observation.

I think a lot of us would love to have a supportive person with us or to die with us if we had a chance. Look at the long list of people looking to find a CTB partner.

Yet the current way just isolates us and scares us: "We will be found out" and stopped before we get the end we want.

Personally, I think we should seek out ways to find support (like SS) and connect even on Zoom if it just makes the transition easier.

 

[emma99]

That is a really interesting observation.

I think a lot of us would love to have a supportive person with us or to die with us if we had a chance. Look at the long list of people looking to find a CTB partner.

Yet the current way just isolates us and scares us: "We will be found out" and stopped before we get the end we want.

Personally, I think we should seek out ways to find support (like SS) and connect even on Zoom if it just makes the transition easier.

True, but zoom comes with its own risk.
If one person succeeds and one person fails.
depending on the laws and locations.
The one who fails could be prosecuted for inciting a suicide.

IMO its better to just keep your mouth shut and find the most hospitable environment, but each to their own.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

In theory, yes. In practice, no. In practice, I'd probably just get arrested along with all of the other members who are alive in this group. Pro lifers will do everything they can to keep you alive so that they can exploit you for your labor. A safe suicide site will get banned and dealt with super quickly

 

[Ash]

At the end of the day, we're all just random strangers on the internet. If I'm going to put my life or death in someone else's hands, I'm going to do it somewhere that's verified and trustworthy or not at all. It's not about pro lifers and being saved. It's about predators who play with vulnerable people for kicks.

 

[dolemitedrums]

I like this idea a lot. It solves a lot of my fears surrounding suicide. I would die in a supportive environment, instead of alone. I wouldn't be discovered and resuscitated in the middle of my attempt. My body won't be discovered by someone who didn't choose to discover a body and will be traumatized by that, and there won't be any cleanup if my body isn't discovered quickly.

I wish this existed and I would absolutely use it if it did.

Yep, I'd use it. I think most people who want to die would rather that, than some of the methods we're left with.

Pretty much my thoughts and position exactly.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

It sounds atrocious and I hate it.

/s

 

[misatosdiary]

The parallel is fascinating, but not entirely overlapping, since the Supervised injection sites were created precisely to minimize overdose deaths (or the risk of contracting serious infectious diseases). Unfortunately, no 'official' body would support such an initiative and one would have to rely on a clandestine network of 100% reliable people (with the risk of infiltration, etc.). Furthermore, I don't know what the legislation is like in your country of residence, but in mine, Italy, the penal code condemns "Whoever causes others to commit suicide or strengthens another's intention to commit suicide, or facilitates its execution in any way (1), is punished, if the suicide occurs, with imprisonment from five to twelve years. If the suicide does not occur, he is punished with imprisonment from one to five years, provided that the suicide attempt results in serious or very serious personal injury (2)" (1=Facilitation can also occur by failure to intervene; 2=the penalties in both cases are increased if the person who commits or attempts suicide is a minor and/or mentally ill).
So, in my country, anyone present in one of these Safe Suicide Sites would be arrested and imprisoned for (at least) 5 years and up to 12.

Sup! So answering you; what if there would be a computer? I dont know if anyone has said this before but something like chat gpt but smarter (better). Fed with a lot of data about every kind of drug and does not help you suicide (because that'd be against the law, right?) but only tells you what will happen, how painful it would be, or stuff like that. A site which could guide you through any kind of intoxication error. The person who created it would be anonymous, so no one could receive any penalty. Also, if the law takes it down, it could just be reopened on the dark net or some data space and in forums like this we could have a link to it.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Well, yes, that would be amazing. Basically euthanasia gone public.

 

[andreamysk]

Sup! So answering you; what if there would be a computer? I dont know if anyone has said this before but something like chat gpt but smarter (better). Fed with a lot of data about every kind of drug and does not help you suicide (because that'd be against the law, right?) but only tells you what will happen, how painful it would be, or stuff like that. A site which could guide you through any kind of intoxication error. The person who created it would be anonymous, so no one could receive any penalty. Also, if the law takes it down, it could just be reopened on the dark net or some data space and in forums like this we could have a link to it.

Well, it could be like one of the many existing "AI Therapy Chat" apps (like Elomia or Wysa etc.) but aimed at accompanying you (with practical instructions and a reassuring voice) towards the last step (well, it could only be android, easier to crack, because I fear the Apple store would remove it quite quickly :-).

But it would be nice anyway, if a group of anonymous brave volunteers (humans in flesh and blood) formed a "terminal accompaniment" unit via video calls (perhaps with Telegram, or similar apps, which should guarantee the non-traceability of the participants).