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[Deleted member 1768]

If anyone has access to 'prove' that depression is a so-called chemical imbalance in the brain I would like to see it. Thank you.

 

[AnnonyBox]

In science, nothing is 'proven' only supported by evidence. That said, for as much as I detest the lack of humanity in the lower skilled levels of psych care, the real scientists that are working on this stuff would probably even tell you that more research is required.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

In science, nothing is 'proven' only supported by evidence. That said, for as much as I detest the lack of humanity in the lower skilled levels of psych care, the real scientists that are working on this stuff would probably even tell you that more research is required.

They can do a biopsy on a tumour and can usually tell whether or not it is cancerous. That is proof. Broken bones can be seen and set...proof. I do not know who you are, but you really need to dig deeper. A building that is poorly made is recognized as dangerous because science has proven the method of design/materials/ground/balance/weights etc. are wrong. So what the devil are you talking about? Man has gone to space because science has proven' that space travel is not only possible, but doable. All rely on proof. The scientists work for the companies that are developing the drugs...kind of a vested interest in fudging results do you not think? You really should be looking into independent studies...
I saw the implied insult Annony...I am so sorry it really was not directed to any one individual. Especially not you. You were the first one to answer...hope you can forgive me.

In science, nothing is 'proven' only supported by evidence. That said, for as much as I detest the lack of humanity in the lower skilled levels of psych care, the real scientists that are working on this stuff would probably even tell you that more research is required.

In short you have seen no proof. My question is legitimate. If anyone knows of a study that proves a chemical imbalance is the basis for depression I really want to know.

 

[AnnonyBox]

I'm telling you that in your anger, you're demanding an answer that does not yet exist. Thanks for calling me a shill though.

First off, you don't seem to understand basic scientific terminology. Nothing is 'proved.' We don't say that 'we've proven gravity to be real!' in scientific lexicon. What is said, is that 'Gravity is so well supported the current scientific model and all evidence currently supports the idea of gravity.' Nothing is 'proven' only 'supported.' You're demanding proof that a 'chemical imbalance' doesn't cause depression. Currently there ARE identified cases in which dopamine re-uptake, for example, affects those with depression, although research is still ongoing. Despite coming so far as to have sequenced the human genome, we still do not understand how much of it functions. Similarly, despite having imaged the brain, and observed it, we still don't have a complete 'road map' to the human brain. We don't know everything, that's why we need science. I would wager that if you asked current scientists in biochemistry, they would even tell you that more research is required. You're asking for a blind belief to confirm your dogmatic and zealous anger. If you want to affect real change, join an mental health advocacy group, and do something about the issues caused by the lower skilled levels of psych care, rather than denigrating people online for your own lack of understanding.

 

[GreenDagny]

They do studies on rats to mimic symptoms and then give them the medications to try to treat them and see if they help. Sometimes they autopsy their brains. There is also the forced swim test. Just googled all of this but this is a major reason besides clinical studies on humans. There is no way to prove it is chemicals though at this time. I think most of the time people who hate their lives or have other issues are labeled depressed and it is blamed on brain chemicals.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I'm telling you that in your anger, you're demanding an answer that does not yet exist. Thanks for calling me a shill though.

I am sorry Annony I do not even know what a shill is. I deeply apologize for offending you, and I am not angry just trying to get some help for an article I need to write before I can no longer write. I am going blind...I hope there is some proof Annony...I sure need it. What is a shill? Some schizophrenics have a difference in the size of the brain, not to lead you astray, but I believe it was in relation to the Corpus Collosum Nd Sagital Sinus, but that study I did a number of years ago. Depression for some was shown to be a result of fluid gathering at the base of the brain, and anti-inflammatories proved more effective than anti-depressants. This is the type of proof I am looking for, but I may not have much time left to this study, and there are an awful lot of people who are struggling...quite conceivably needlessly. I will always do what I can to aleviate unnecessary suffering, and this, to me is of the utmost importance. I am going to look up shill...Hugs Annony.

 

[alizee]

Depression isn't a chemical imbalance. The chemical imbalance theory is an assumption from doctors that don't understand neuroscience. They were trying to make an association with drugs (chemicals) prescribed to people and who aren't happy to fit in the normal classification of healthy. The reality happens to be that people not in the norm of happy had shitty lives and the structures of the brain developed differently compared to people who didn't have grossly bad events in their life. Such as dopamine that makes a person happy will not work as long compared to someone who didn't have their brain develop under bad events in life.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

No, no, no...I think that many have been fooled by 'mental health' advocates...and if I can, before I go I need to correct that.

They do studies on rats to mimic symptoms and then give them the medications to try to treat them and see if they help. Sometimes they autopsy their brains. There is also the forced swim test. Just googled all of this but this is a major reason besides clinical studies on humans. There is no way to prove it is chemicals though at this time. I think most of the time people who hate their lives or have other issues are labeled depressed and it is blamed on brain chemicals.

Thank you Green...lol...too much of a hurry. Want to help me write an article? Do you have links to the research Green...thank you so much.

Depression isn't a chemical imbalance. The chemical imbalance theory is an assumption from doctors that don't understand neuroscience. They were trying to make an association with drugs (chemicals) prescribed to people and who aren't happy to fit in the normal classification of healthy. The reality happens to be that people not in the norm of happy had shitty lives and the structures of the brain developed differently compared to people who didn't have grossly bad events in their life.

So neurofeedback should work. Neurofeedback definitely works for some forms of eoilepsy. It is a matter of changing axonal discharge within the brain...Do you know if we are dealing with kindling/plasticity or a combination of the two. I am so sorry these questions I would normally find the answers to myself, but I am going downhill very quickly now, and I cannot be sure how long I will be able to continue functioning.

I'm telling you that in your anger, you're demanding an answer that does not yet exist. Thanks for calling me a shill though.

First off, you don't seem to understand basic scientific terminology. Nothing is 'proved.' We don't say that 'we've proven gravity to be real!' in scientific lexicon. What is said, is that 'Gravity is so well supported the current scientific model and all evidence currently supports the idea of gravity.' Nothing is 'proven' only 'supported.' You're demanding proof that a 'chemical imbalance' doesn't cause depression. Currently there ARE identified cases in which dopamine re-uptake, for example, affects those with depression, although research is still ongoing. Despite coming so far as to have sequenced the human genome, we still do not understand how much of it functions. Similarly, despite having imaged the brain, and observed it, we still don't have a complete 'road map' to the human brain. We don't know everything, that's why we need science. I would wager that if you asked current scientists in biochemistry, they would even tell you that more research is required. You're asking for a blind belief to confirm your dogmatic and zealous anger. If you want to affect real change, join an mental health advocacy group, and do something about the issues caused by the lower skilled levels of psych care, rather than denigrating people online for your own lack of understanding.

I am looking for proof that chemical imbalance DOES prove or supports the conclusion that chemical imbalance is the cause of depression. Can you send me a link re. the studies on dopamine re=uptake improving/alleviating depression? Thank you.

Depression isn't a chemical imbalance. The chemical imbalance theory is an assumption from doctors that don't understand neuroscience. They were trying to make an association with drugs (chemicals) prescribed to people and who aren't happy to fit in the normal classification of healthy. The reality happens to be that people not in the norm of happy had shitty lives and the structures of the brain developed differently compared to people who didn't have grossly bad events in their life. Such as dopamine that makes a person happy will not work as long compared to someone who didn't have their brain develop under bad events in life.

I would agree with you on that my friend...I have to go...blast...thank you so much Alizee...hope I have your name right...smile.

 

[GreenDagny]

Good luck poof I hope you can get whatever mission you are on accomplished. I have met people who have had mental illness for many reasons, some started by trauma some started from giving birth, some out of the blue. I have met people who have bad reactions to meds and some who absolutely need them. I just accept it depends on the person, I do not think there is one answer. Clinical research doesn't cover everything needed to take into consideration.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Depression isn't a chemical imbalance. The chemical imbalance theory is an assumption from doctors that don't understand neuroscience. They were trying to make an association with drugs (chemicals) prescribed to people and who aren't happy to fit in the normal classification of healthy. The reality happens to be that people not in the norm of happy had shitty lives and the structures of the brain developed differently compared to people who didn't have grossly bad events in their life. Such as dopamine that makes a person happy will not work as long compared to someone who didn't have their brain develop under bad events in life.

yeah, especially in early years-the most cruicial years in brain development-that early crap can have long reaching-life changing effects

Good luck poof I hope you can get whatever mission you are on accomplished. I have met people who have had mental illness for many reasons, some started by trauma some started from giving birth, some out of the blue. I have met people who have bad reactions to meds and some who absolutely need them. I just accept it depends on the person, I do not think there is one answer. Clinical research doesn't cover everything needed to take into consideration.

yep-i would agree -not one size fits all-multiple reasons for multiple people. some people almost seem to be born with depression whilst others develop later-largely caused by what has happened in their life. def can never be one single answear for the huge range of variables in mental health/ depression.

If anyone has access to 'prove' that depression is a so-called chemical imbalance in the brain I would like to see it. Thank you.

Just out of interest- have you ever seen the documentary "Boy Interrupted"?

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I'm telling you that in your anger, you're demanding an answer that does not yet exist. Thanks for calling me a shill though.

First off, you don't seem to understand basic scientific terminology. Nothing is 'proved.' We don't say that 'we've proven gravity to be real!' in scientific lexicon. What is said, is that 'Gravity is so well supported the current scientific model and all evidence currently supports the idea of gravity.' Nothing is 'proven' only 'supported.' You're demanding proof that a 'chemical imbalance' doesn't cause depression. Currently there ARE identified cases in which dopamine re-uptake, for example, affects those with depression, although research is still ongoing. Despite coming so far as to have sequenced the human genome, we still do not understand how much of it functions. Similarly, despite having imaged the brain, and observed it, we still don't have a complete 'road map' to the human brain. We don't know everything, that's why we need science. I would wager that if you asked current scientists in biochemistry, they would even tell you that more research is required. You're asking for a blind belief to confirm your dogmatic and zealous anger. If you want to affect real change, join an mental health advocacy group, and do something about the issues caused by the lower skilled levels of psych care, rather than denigrating people online for your own lack of understanding.

Sorry Anon...I did volunteer. When I could see...now, not so much. I have to keep the words few, and it takes forever...but...whoosh...I was amazed when I read the bits I could of what I wrote. Not going to read/write a long piece again. Cannot read most of what you have written above, but I hope you gave Poof a proper dusting. Oh...I do not know what a shill is...sigh. I do apologize.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I'm telling you that in your anger, you're demanding an answer that does not yet exist. Thanks for calling me a shill though.

First off, you don't seem to understand basic scientific terminology. Nothing is 'proved.' We don't say that 'we've proven gravity to be real!' in scientific lexicon. What is said, is that 'Gravity is so well supported the current scientific model and all evidence currently supports the idea of gravity.' Nothing is 'proven' only 'supported.' You're demanding proof that a 'chemical imbalance' doesn't cause depression. Currently there ARE identified cases in which dopamine re-uptake, for example, affects those with depression, although research is still ongoing. Despite coming so far as to have sequenced the human genome, we still do not understand how much of it functions. Similarly, despite having imaged the brain, and observed it, we still don't have a complete 'road map' to the human brain. We don't know everything, that's why we need science. I would wager that if you asked current scientists in biochemistry, they would even tell you that more research is required. You're asking for a blind belief to confirm your dogmatic and zealous anger. If you want to affect real change, join an mental health advocacy group, and do something about the issues caused by the lower skilled levels of psych care, rather than denigrating people online for your own lack of understanding.

Wow...are you ever insulting...why? Oh, and also volunteered in a cancer ward...have to do a little at a time, my eyes.

 

[autumnal]

@poof, I'm curious as to what exactly your research is about, your background and who is the intended audience?

 

[Living sucks]

Why dredge up a 9 month old post?

 

[Deleted member 1768]

@poof, I'm curious as to what exactly your research is about, your background and who is the intended audience?

Sorry Autumn. Had major problems with my sight, but finally saw the doctor and they are getting better. I used to write articles for an online paper, and was recently asked about the risk of anti-depressants leading to suicide. One of the key questions must entail the efficacy of the meds. Unfortunately I have had much difficulty finding evidence of 'chemical imbalance' as a precursor to mental health issues. I can find quite a bit to refute this claim, but have yet to come across any scientific data that upholds it. Pretty much given up actually Autumn, and have already decided to give up on it. Rabble is the paper.

Why dredge up a 9 month old post?

I read when I can, and just found it...sorry. Vision is improving though...whew.

 

[SpottedPanda]

There seems to be two extremes, both at polar opposites with regard to thought and intent. One side massively oversimplifies issues and coughs out the platitude that depression boils down to simple chemical imbalances, and the other side sees no biological cause for mental illness and simply sees it as someone 'being a bit sad'. Neither, it seems, is particularly helpful.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

There seems to be two extremes, both at polar opposites with regard to thought and intent. One side massively oversimplifies issues and coughs out the platitude that depression boils down to simple chemical imbalances, and the other side sees no biological cause for mental illness and simply sees it as someone 'being a bit sad'. Neither, it seems, is particularly helpful.

I have found ample evidence that physical/medical issues can cause depression: thyroid, inflammation (base of the brain), diabetes, etc., but I have not found scientific data re. chemical imbalance as a cause. No longer looking for it though. And, thank you.

 

[SpottedPanda]

I have found ample evidence that physical/medical issues can cause depression: thyroid, inflammation (base of the brain), diabetes, etc., but I have not found scientific data re. chemical imbalance as a cause.

Well I don't think it could ever be as simple as that, but I don't claim to know the cause, but nobody truly knows, as far as I'm aware. People just theorise. If somebody knew the true basis I think they'd be hailed a hero scholar.