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Zzzzz

Nothing compares to the bliss of death.
Aug 8, 2018
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This is a subject I sometimes think about. some random thoughts/venting as well as sharing some of my personal experience in it. The purpose of this is talk about how religion may or may not relate to suicide and not to bash religious belief in general. It's also a little therapeutic for me to get my thoughts out about certain things. I was raised in a very strict and conservative christian religion. Although it's considered a religion, it meets a lot the requirements for a cult. I don't know if I can in good conscience call it a religion. (Mormonism) It is very dysfunctional in many ways and I found it difficult to have compassion for other people while still being faithful to the teachings of this religion. It encourages self-righteousness and a dangerously high level of obedience from it's members. It is anti-gay and believes that God is concerned whether or not 12 year olds masturbate and goes so far as to periodically place these children alone in a room with a 20-50 year old man who asks them if they keep to a strict abstinence code. If not, they usually require specific details. Women are prohibited from leading this organization.

Needless to say, many young people have been negatively affected by these beliefs. Some have killed themselves. Some are dis owned or shamed by family. I'm sure there is some marital abuse also as a result of religious sanctioned sexism and the so-called "purity culture." Which views the human body as god's property and sex as an obligation to God and your spouse rather than an act of love. I think it's important to say imo there is a fair amount of good people in Mormonism, and they have officially become considerably "nicer" to gay people in Recent years/some progress, though still officially anti-gay and sexist. But that is my experience with this particular religion. Tragically, there are still religions in the world today that execute gay people or publicly assault/humiliate them. I was watching a video on YouTube the other day with a country in Sharia law. Two men were caught having sex and whipped publicly. It was shocking to see people take out their smart phones to record the act of needless and ancient barbarism. There is so much focus on so-called mental illness as the only cause for suicide when people are hurting others in the name of their personal God. It is my belief that social reasons are one of the biggest factors in many suicides. What do we expect when a person is treated with cruelty? With they endure it? Many cannot. Many religious beliefs are openly attempting to purge certain people from society. And sadly, they have some success in it. If they want to help the suicidal, then they can start by treating them with more kindness. It bothers me that people still uphold the Entire bible as the perfect word of God when it literally condons rape and slavery, under certain conditions. It is clearly not a good moral guide for anyone to use, unless the above behavior is considered moral. So I guess what I'm saying is I believe morality/Laws should ALWAYS be based on objective facts regarding whether behavior hurts or helps people rather than arbitrary personal beliefs with no logic to back them up.
 
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Chiisai

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Sep 1, 2021
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This is a subject I sometimes think about. some random thoughts/venting as well as sharing some of my personal experience in it. The purpose of this is talk about how religion may or may not relate to suicide and not to bash religious belief in general. It's also a little therapeutic for me to get my thoughts out about certain things. I was raised in a very strict and conservative christian religion. Although it's considered a religion, it meets a lot the requirements for a cult. I don't know if I can in good conscience call it a religion. (Mormonism) It is very dysfunctional in many ways and I found it difficult to have compassion for other people while still being faithful to the teachings of this religion. It encourages self-righteousness and a dangerously high level of obedience from it's members. It is anti-gay and believes that God is concerned whether or not 12 year olds masturbate and goes so far as to periodically place these children alone in a room with a 20-50 year old man who asks them if they keep to a strict abstinence code. If not, they usually require specific details. Women are prohibited from leading this organization.

Needless to say, many young people have been negatively affected by these beliefs. Some have killed themselves. Some are dis owned or shamed by family. I'm sure there is some marital abuse also as a result of religious sanctioned sexism and the so-called "purity culture." Which views the human body as god's property and sex as an obligation to God and your spouse rather than an act of love. I think it's important to say imo there is a fair amount of good people in Mormonism, and they have officially become considerably "nicer" to gay people in Recent years/some progress, though still officially anti-gay and sexist. But that is my experience with this particular religion. Tragically, there are still religions in the world today that execute gay people or publicly assault/humiliate them. I was watching a video on YouTube the other day with a country in Sharia law. Two men were caught having sex and whipped publicly. It was shocking to see people take out their smart phones to record the act of needless and ancient barbarism. There is so much focus on so-called mental illness as the only cause for suicide when people are hurting others in the name of their personal God. It is my belief that social reasons are one of the biggest factors in many suicides. What do we expect when a person is treated with cruelty? With they endure it? Many cannot. Many religious beliefs are openly attempting to purge certain people from society. And sadly, they have some success in it. If they want to help the suicidal, then they can start by treating them with more kindness. It bothers me that people still uphold the Entire bible as the perfect word of God when it literally condons rape and slavery, under certain conditions. It is clearly not a good moral guide for anyone to use, unless the above behavior is considered moral. So I guess what I'm saying is I believe morality/Laws should ALWAYS be based on objective facts regarding whether behavior hurts or helps people rather than arbitrary personal beliefs with no logic to back them up.
I hear you and resonate with what you said. I believe that religion is a philosophy/guide for people to achieve peace however, somewhere in the translation of the teachings might have been misconstrued or taken literally by those who translated them. Its the same with preachers that preach teachings which is only coming from their own comprehension of the word. Even the routines portrayed in these religious books like fasting or praying a certain amount is, in my opinion, not really being one with the goal of religion but simply trying to copy what was written in the books and worse, being judged because one is not following it then be labeled blasphemer or not religious. For me, religion is and should be a self discovery and a personal connection. If a practice connects you with a higher self or state even if its outside the religious instruction, so be it as long as, it doesnt harm anybody else. It was even the path of those who practice or founded the religion before it was written/translated.
 
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Naufrago

Somos o que pensamos...
Sep 24, 2021
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Concordo com Chiisai, sua compreensão sobre a religião e livros "sagrados". Eu estudei várias religiões, e principalmente a bíblia durante muitos anos, e acredito que a humanidade caminha na direção de uma nova era. A religião se vista nos pontos conjuntamente com a ciência e a filosofia, ampliará o campo de visão aumentando com clareza do que é sagrado, humano, relatos, mitos e ficção. Quem estudou teologia sabe que estou falando, a bíblia está repleta de história de um povo que se considerava como preferido e escolhido por Deus. Isso foi um grande erro (intencional ou não) que tais registros foram preservados e misturados com outros e descritos como "a palavra de Deus" e guia de santidade.
A humanidade entenderá (num futuro próximo), pois muitos indivíduos já percebem, que existe uma grande diferença entre religião institucionalizada e a religião pessoal (a relação individual entre criatura e Criador).
E quanto a questão do suicídio: Deus não quer e não se agrada com o sofrimento de ninguém. Mas existe a infinita misericórdia para os que não aguentam mais. Se a pessoa atentar contra a própria vida, ela permanecerá dormindo até que a misericórdia decrete a ressurreição da alma do indivíduo. Até que nível isso acontecerá não sabemos... Tenho certeza de apenas uma questão; a misericórdia salva o que a justiça não salvou!!!
 
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Hurt

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"If you ctb you will go to hell." People who ctb are already in hell.
 
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Naufrago

Somos o que pensamos...
Sep 24, 2021
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O homem mortal não pode, certamente, conhecer a infinitude do Pai celeste. A mente finita não pode pensar sobre uma verdade ou um fato de tal modo absoluto. Todavia, esse mesmo ser humano finito pode de fato sentir – literalmente experimentar – o impacto pleno e não amortecido de um AMOR tão infinito quanto o do Pai. Esse amor pode ser verdadeiramente experimentado, mas, ainda que a qualidade da experiência seja ilimitada, a quantidade em uma tal experiência é limitada, estritamente, pela capacidade humana de receptividade espiritual e pela capacidade empenhada em retribuir o amor.

No Seu contato com as criações, Deus não exerce o Seu poder infinito, nem a Sua autoridade final, por transmissão direta ou intervindo pessoalmente, mas, por intermédio dos Seus Filhos e das personalidades subordinadas a eles. E Deus faz tudo isso por Sua livre vontade. Todos e quaisquer dos poderes delegados, caso surgisse a ocasião e se fosse da escolha da mente divina, poderiam ser exercidos diretamente; mas, via de regra, essa ação acontece apenas em consequência do fracasso da personalidade delegada, ao tentar corresponder à confiança divina. Deus governa por intermédio dos Seus Filhos. Descendo na organização do universo, existe uma corrente ininterrupta de dirigentes, e nos assuntos dos corações dos homens, nem sempre o Pai Universal pode ter caminho aberto.

As incertezas da vida e as vicissitudes da existência, de nenhuma maneira, contradizem o conceito da soberania universal de Deus. Toda a vida da criatura evolucionária é assediada por certas inevitabilidades. Consideremos o seguinte:

1. A coragem – a força de caráter é desejável? Então, o homem deve ser criado em um ambiente que requeira um enfrentamento das dificuldades e uma reação às decepções.

2. O altruísmo – o serviço aos semelhantes é desejável? Então, a experiência de vida deve propiciar-lhe o deparar-se com situações de desigualdade social.

3. A esperança – a grandeza da confiança é desejável? Então a existência humana deve confrontar-se constantemente com inseguranças e incertezas renovadas.

4. A fé – a suprema afirmação do pensamento humano é desejável? Então, a mente humana deve ser colocada frente a grandes dificuldades, nas quais sempre sabe menos do que pode crer.

5. O amor à verdade e a disposição de ir até onde quer que esse amor conduza são desejáveis? Então, o homem deve crescer em um mundo no qual o erro esteja presente e a falsidade seja sempre possível.

6. O idealismo – um conceito muito próximo do divino é desejável? Então, o homem deve labutar em volta de um ambiente de relativa bondade e beleza, que estimulem a busca incontida de coisas melhores.

7. A lealdade – a devoção ao dever mais elevado é desejável? Então, o homem deve continuar indo em frente, apesar de rodeado de possibilidades de traição e deserção. O valor da devoção ao dever advém do perigo implícito de fracasso.

8. O desapego – o espírito do auto-esquecimento é desejável? Então, o homem mortal deve viver frente a frente com o incessante clamor de um ego inescapável, que exige reconhecimento e honras. O homem não poderia escolher, de um modo dinâmico, a vida divina, se não existisse uma vida do ego à qual renunciar. O homem não poderia nunca se aferrar à salvação, na retidão, se não houvesse nenhum mal em potencial exaltando e diferenciando o bem, por contraste.

9. O prazer – a satisfação da felicidade é desejável? Então, o homem deve viver em um mundo no qual a alternativa da dor e a probabilidade do sofrimento sejam possibilidades experimentáveis sempre presentes.

Em todo o universo, cada unidade é considerada como uma parte do todo. A sobrevivência da parte depende da cooperação com o plano e o propósito do todo: o desejo, de todo coração, e uma perfeita disposição para fazer a vontade divina. O único mundo evolucionário sem erro (sem a possibilidade de um juízo pouco sábio) seria um mundo sem inteligência livre. Mas o homem em evolução deve ser falível, se houver de ser livre

A inteligência livre e inexperiente não pode ser, certamente, de início, uniformemente sábia. A possibilidade do juízo errôneo (o mal) transforma-se em pecado apenas quando a vontade humana endossa, conscientemente, e adota, de propósito, um juízo deliberadamente imoral.​
 

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