Question about SN

[braketimez]

Is vomiting inevitable with SN? In other words, would one INEVITABLY vomit it back up if taken alone? Or would it still likely kill a person?

 

[Blutsager]

Is vomiting inevitable with SN? In other words, would one INEVITABLY vomit it back up if taken alone? Or would it still likely kill a person?

I have heard that even if you vomit death is likely. I have considered I could tape my mouth as soon as I ingest it, if I vomit it I'll be forced to take it back in anyways. Besides, antiacids are reccomended to help, perhaps a lil bit if they aint the good high-quality american stuff, in avoiding the vomit. Beyond that, I think eating nothing helps your stomach dont have the force to vomit out... read the resource page about SN for as much info as you can.

 

[calendulo]

I am not an expert about SN,...............well I am sorry I am actually an expert about nothing.

Imho question is very difficult to answer, but I'll a try.

No it is not.
There is no science, no guarantee. Noone can to ensure you anything.
Subject is so easy, Imho again. Subject is you in front of a toxic substance, specifically high toxic substance.

Mixing with water, orange juice or whatever else drink. It is the same. Nothing changed.

Or whoever knows the answer could tell us.

 

[Busdriver]

Even if you vomit, SN will be deadly if taken enough SN. If you drink 50ml with 20g SN and you vomit 10g SN, it will still be fatal.

Please don't tape your mouth, because you might suffocate in own vomit.

Also, don't mix SN with orange juice. The vitamin C can render the SN useless. Just drink SN with lukewarm tap water.

 

[Blutsager]

Even if you vomit, SN will be deadly if taken enough SN. If you drink 50ml with 20g SN and you vomit 10g SN, it will still be fatal.

Please don't tape your mouth, because you might suffocate in own vomit.

Also, don't mix SN with orange juice. The vitamin C can render the SN useless. Just drink SN with lukewarm tap water.

Thank you for your insightful response.

 

[Quarky00]

Is vomiting inevitable with SN? In other words, would one INEVITABLY vomit it back up if taken alone? Or would it still likely kill a person?

No. No. Yes.

Please read Guide and FAQ.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/

 

[braketimez]

No. No. Yes.

Please read Guide and FAQ.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/

Thank you. I am reading through it now. Some additional questions:
1. I'm taking Abilify (Aripiprazole) and don't know if it would cause any weird reactions to a D2 antagonist. It's a partial D2 agonist, thus possibly counteracting AE effects, and is not on the list of antipsychotics.
2. I take GABApentin for anxiety/sleep. Would this cause any weird reactions with the SN if I take it to calm down?

 

[LMLN]

Thank you. I am reading through it now. Some additional questions:
1. I'm taking Abilify (Aripiprazole) and don't know if it would cause any weird reactions to a D2 antagonist. It's a partial D2 agonist, thus possibly counteracting AE effects, and is not on the list of antipsychotics.
2. I take GABApentin for anxiety/sleep. Would this cause any weird reactions with the SN if I take it to calm down?

You can use an interaction checker on any drug website to verify for the first one. I'm not sure about gabapentin and SN.

 

[braketimez]

You can use an interaction checker on any drug website to verify for the first one. I'm not sure about gabapentin and SN.

The interaction site says because Abilify is an antagonist, than it shouldn't be taken with an antiemetic. But for some people, it acts as an agonist (for me, since I'm low on dopamine). Even so, I don't know what to do. I might have to stop taking it a few weeks leading up.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Here's another helpful thread:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/

 

[Busdriver]

Gabapentin can be used before drinking SN. This member successfully used Gabapentin when using SN to CTB.

I don't think aripiprazole will be a good anti-emetic according to this post.
I think you should get your hands on one of the 6 mentioned AEs, but there appears to be bad interaction of these 6 with aripiprazole (see post of @Quarky00 ). That sucks

 

[Quarky00]

You don't stop taking antipsychotics. Unless you wish to enjoy a psychosis during the "few weeks leading up".

There are 6 antiemetics, all of them have serious contraindication with Abilify? If so skip antiemetics. It's up to you to research and be through.

Did you read Guide throughly? Did you check FAQ?

Did you search the site?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/search/260970/?q=Aripiprazole&o=relevance

No. You need a dopamine antagonist. Aripiprazole is a dopamine partial agonist.

* SN has no "interactions" . You don't take it with medication , it does not go to your brain , etc. It interacts directly with your blood in the intestines , harms it quite quickly , you're unconscious within 15m .

 

[braketimez]

You don't stop taking antipsychotics. Unless you wish to enjoy a psychosis during the "few weeks leading up".

There are 6 antiemetics, all of them have serious contraindication with Abilify? If so skip antiemetics. It's up to you to research and be through.

Did you read Guide throughly? Did you check FAQ?

Did you search the site?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/search/260970/?q=Aripiprazole&o=relevance

I'm on an extremely low dose of abilify (2.5 mg) Half of the lowest average prescribed dosage (5 mg), to be exact. Perinorm (mona-) is the only AE I could get my hands on without a prescription, which is the one I was referring to. I'll keep researching the others. I'll search the site as well.

Gabapentin can be used before drinking SN. This member successfully used Gabapentin when using SN to CTB.

I don't think aripiprazole will be a good anti-emetic according to this post.
I think you should get your hands on one of the 6 mentioned AEs.

Thanks for this.

Here's another helpful thread:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/

Thanks for this resource. From the accounts I'm reading, it seems like a good number of successes weren't all that peaceful. Will have to rethink this.

 

[Quarky00]

I'm on an extremely low dose of abilify (2.5 mg) Half of the lowest average prescribed dosage (5 mg), to be exact.

I ain't a doctor.

From the accounts I'm reading, it seems like a good number of successes weren't all that peaceful

I disagree
Perfect enemy of good; check N

Will have to rethink this.

I agree

Gabapentin can be used before drinking SN. This member successfully used Gabapentin when using SN to CTB.
I don't think aripiprazole will be a good anti-emetic according to this post.

Yay. I'm not needed anymore. We've found a member that can actually search the site!! QuarkyBot to be retired.

 

[braketimez]

I ain't a doctor.




I disagree
Perfect enemy of good; check N




I agree





Yay. I'm not needed anymore. We've found a member that can actually search the site!! QuarkyBot to be retired.

1. If you're not a doctor, why did you tell me psychosis was inevitable by stopping my dose?
2. The anecdotes on the list contain a number of alleged successful deaths with clearly uncomfortable symptoms (difficulty breathing, choking sounds, etc.).That's all I was referring to.
3. I'm glad you agree.

 

[Busdriver]

I disagree
Perfect enemy of good; check N

I find this interesting. You mean you find it significantly peaceful? The 1st 20 minutes are freaking me out. I am such a coward for pain, while I think having a serious flu hurts more, because that can take 1~2 weeks. You are not scared AF of the 1st 20 minutes?

Yay. I'm not needed anymore. We've found a member that can actually search the site!! QuarkyBot to be retired.

Hahaha , you are the next Stan. Perhaps even better. You are truly indispensable. I didn't know about the bad interaction of 6 AE~ aripiprazole. I do like the search function tbh.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I find this interesting. You mean you find it significantly peaceful? The 1st 20 minutes are freaking me out. I am such a coward for pain, [...]
You are not scared AF of the 1st 20 minutes?

I'm so with you on this.

I have two methods, one that is peaceful but complicated and uncertain (CO), and one that is simple and certain, but those 20 minutes....

 

[Busdriver]

1. If you're not a doctor, why did you tell me psychosis was inevitable by stopping my dose?
2. The anecdotes on the list contain a number of alleged successful deaths with clearly uncomfortable symptoms (difficulty breathing, choking sounds, etc.).That's all I was referring to.
3. I'm glad you agree.

At the moment, Quarky00 is an expert regarding SN. He knows almost everything regarding the subject, but some things are too sophisticated for a non-doctor to know.

Members here who know a lot have compiled lots of information of different sources e.g. suicide wiki, scientific articles, PPH, member experiences etc. while not being MDs.

I hope there is still an anti-emetic you can use. I unfortunately do not know which one..
But there are people who successfully CTBed without anti-emetics and also people who used anti-emetics and still vomited, but succeeded in CTB.

 

[braketimez]

At the moment, Quarky00 is an expert regarding SN. He knows almost everything regarding the subject, but some things are too sophisticated for a non-doctor to know.

Members here who know a lot have compiled lots of information of different sources e.g. suicide wiki, scientific articles, PPH, member experiences etc. while not being MDs.

I hope there is still an anti-emetic you can use. I unfortunately do know which one..
But there are people who successfully CTBed without anti-emetics and also people who used anti-emetics and still vomited, but succeeded in CTB.

I appreciate his expertise on the matter. Previously, he advised I don't stop taking my antipsychotic because of inevitable psychosis (that's medical advice).
So much later, when I made a point about my dosage, he said, "I'm not a doctor". That didn't make sense to me.

Yeah, I will probably just try without the anti-emetic, I don't know.

 

[Skyview]

Yay. I'm not needed anymore. We've found a member that can actually search the site!! QuarkyBot to be retired.

LOL , no retirement for you.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Ultimately, we're all random anonymous strangers on a forum. It's up to each person to take responsibility for their choices and do their due diligence to make the most informed decision they can. I think the OP is doing just that.

 

[braketimez]

Ultimately, we're all random anonymous strangers on a forum. It's up to each person to take responsibility for their choices and do their due diligence to make the most informed decision they can. I think the OP is doing just that.

I appreciate that. I can do as much searching as I want, but there's always a chance I'll miss something anyways.

 

[Busdriver]

I appreciate his expertise on the matter. Previously, he advised I don't stop taking my antipsychotic because of inevitable psychosis (that's medical advice).
So much later, when I made a point about my dosage, he said, "I'm not a doctor". That didn't make sense to me.

Yeah, I will probably just try without the anti-emetic, I don't know.

Some people contemplated of using weed/marijuana as anti-emetic. Weed has anti-emetic characteristics, but it is nowhere near as good as the 6 known anti-emetics.
I guess it is better than no anti-emetic?

 

[one4all]

Some people contemplated of using weed/marijuana as anti-emetic. Weed has anti-emetic characteristics, but it is nowhere near as good as the 6 known anti-emetics.
I guess it is better than no anti-emetic?

Unless you start getting paranoid from using weed. The shit can hit the fan. With so many different variants of weed out there, it's hard to say how a certain person will react to it. And of course this depends on how much they use and how it is taken; Smoked or ingested.

just me 2 cents from the gutter

 

[Quarky00]

1. Seeking "Medical" Advice

Previously, he advised I don't stop taking my antipsychotic because of inevitable psychosis (that's medical advice).
So much later, when I made a point about my dosage, he said, "I'm not a doctor". That didn't make sense to me.

(1) Blue: general . Red: particular case . Underline: misrepresentation -- no inevitable , no advice , no medical .........

too sophisticated for a non-doctor to know.

(2) Even a doctor won't advise re anti-psychotics , without patient's history . Be very careful with changes in APs (marked blue) -- that's general knowledge , not "medical advice" . Sounds reasonable that stranger A tells stranger B , over the internet , to stop taking meds? Being responsible 'makes no sense' you say ...


2. Mischaracterization of SN

anecdotes on the list contain a number of alleged successful deaths with clearly uncomfortable symptoms (difficulty breathing, choking sounds, etc.).

Explained:

Perfect enemy of good; check N

(1) Wrong on symptoms: There was no difficulty breathing or choking- death rattles . Moonie was fainting at the stage and did not feel much .
(2) No "perfect" ctb : everything is relative , and now that we've cleared the so called 'uncomfortable symptoms' we are left with burning / taste / nausea / heart . Each member will decide if that's not peaceful .
(3) Thus , I disagree with the general mischaracterization of method .


3. Need to "Rethink"

@braketimez ,
(1) You seem to rely on first impression when characterizing my words or the method . Hence I agree you need to rethink .
(2) I dislike your tone: "doesn't make sense" , "anecdotes" , "alleged" , etc . While these may be factually true ; you can express yourself any way you choose to ; you should be skeptical -- that amounts to a pattern which is dismissive . Fine . But do your research . Do followups . Listen . Never mind me . I'm no expert . But dozens of members bothered to document and research , friends that did a great work , and are now dead .

So I don't think that is nice . And I don't think you did a through job with your ctb , while you "complain" about others ...

 

[one4all]

@Quarky00 You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. You can still beat a dead horse

 

[Quarky00]

Some people contemplated of using weed/marijuana as anti-emetic. Weed has anti-emetic characteristics, but it is nowhere near as good as the 6 known anti-emetics. I guess it is better than no anti-emetic?

No . Don't use weed as AE or at all :)

It's detailed in the FAQ along with experienced marijuana users who explained why . Taking psychoactive substances while standing on the edge of cliff looking down = horrible experience . Ctb , even sitting down at home , is like that . Survival Instinct is fucking strong (not just paranoid) . As for effects , not only is it a weak AE but we use AEs as prokinetic (weed isn't) . It's the first damn thing on AEs !!!

Antiemetics	(AE)
What they do:	Move SN to intestines quickly Reduce vomiting It's not just to 'reducing nausea' – prevent serious vomiting (complex stomach-brain interactions) and open GI valves (sphincters).

Now:

• Does weed actually reduce vomiting (not just CINV ; systematic) ? Not that much .
• Does it move SN to intestines quickly ? Not at all .

Bonus -- would it intensify severe fear? Probably .

 

[braketimez]

1. Seeking "Medical" Advice


(1) Blue: general . Red: particular case . Underline: misrepresentation -- no inevitable , no advice , no medical .........


(2) Even a doctor won't advice anti-psychotics , without patient's history . Be very careful with changes in APs (marked blue) -- that's general knowledge , not "medical advice" . Sounds reasonable that stranger A tells stranger B , over the internet , to stop taking meds? Being responsible 'makes no sense' you say ...


2. Mischaracterization of SN


Explained:

(1) Wrong on symptoms: There was no difficulty breathing or choking- death rattles . Moonie was fainting at the stage and did not feel much .
(2) No "perfect" ctb : everything is relative , and now that we've cleared the so called 'uncomfortable symptoms' we are left with burning / taste / nausea / heart . Each member will decide if that's not peaceful .
(3) Thus , I disagree with the general mischaracterization of method .


3. Need to "Rethink"

@braketimez ,
(1) You seem to rely on first impression when characterizing my words or the method . Hence I agree you need to rethink .
(2) I dislike your tone: "doesn't make sense" , "anecdotes" , "alleged" , etc . While these may be factually true ; you can express yourself any way you choose to ; you should be skeptical -- that amounts to a pattern which is dismissive . Fine . But do your research . Do followups . Listen . Never mind me . I'm no expert . But dozens of members bothered to document and research , friends that did a great work , and are now dead .

So I don't think that is nice . And I don't think you did a through job with your ctb , while you "complain" about others ...

1. Inevitability.

If you say, "don't do A, unless you want B to happen" you are stating Event A WILL lead to Event B. That means inevitability.

You said: "You don't stop taking antipsychotics. Unless you wish to enjoy a psychosis during the 'few weeks leading up'.

Can you please explain how that isn't saying psychosis is inevitable in the case of stopping my medication?

You can tell me to stop taking my meds out of the kindness of your heart, by all means...

But when I explain further why it would be reasonable in my case, and you respond with "I'm not a doctor",
you'll be held accountable if you previously acted as if you were a doctor, by telling me I would experience psychosis lol.


2. A mischaracterization of "mischaracaterization of a method"

(1)First, I never said anyone was ACTUALLY choking. I said choking sounds, just like the account states. See for yourself (emphasis added):
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25g in luke warm water drank through straw to help with taste, 48 hour regimen meto, 1000mg ibuprofen, 1000mg gabapentin, 800mg Tagamet, 8 hour fasting, throat and stomach burning afterward, pain rated 3.5/10, after 5 minutes needed to lay down, heart beating fast, feeling really warm but no pain, vomited twice, after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking. After 10 minutes breathing slows down, leg spasms and grunting and loud groaning sounds. After 15 minutes vomits again, unconscious after 20 minutes. Witness did not think it was entirely peaceful.
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"Breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking"...what does that mean to you?

Timetogo, another member, said he "cannot breathe":
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"2 tablespoons in 50ml water, 3 x 75mg ranitidine, fast for 36 hours, throat warm, heaving but not vomiting, do not feel nauseous, hands falling asleep, pain, vomiting swallow back, cannot breathe. "
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So, I wasn't pulling these symptoms out of thin air.

Secondly, A mischaracterization of method would mean I stated outright that taking SN (Event A) would cause certain symptoms (Event B) for anyone who takes SN.

I never stated that "Event A WILL cause Event B for people who take SN" (For example, Taking SN will cause difficulty breathing and a far from peaceful experience for anyone who takes it").
Another example of "Event A WILL lead to Event B" would be, "You don't stop taking antipsychotics, Unless you wish to enjoy a psychosis".

(2) Any symptoms I referred to were previously documented and I never stated these symptoms were inevitable and/or "not peaceful" for everyone
(3) Thus, there is no mischaracterization of method.

3. Rethinking
(1) You barely know me and you can already deduce that I'm RELYING on these first impressions? LOL
(2) I'm sorry I didn't do more reading beforehand. I will give full admission to my ignorance there.

I am not complaining about anyone's death. I'm not sure how you gather that.

 

[Quarky00]

"Breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking"...what does that mean to you?

I already answered before :

There was no difficulty breathing or choking- death rattles .

You ignore information provided , for sake of argument .


@braketimez , you just joined and these are your first posts?.. come on. Anyway , you are new so nice to meet you , and welcome to Sanctioned Suicide Sorry life turned that way lol ... You're probably in severe distress . We are all in pain . And wish for peace . I wouldn't waste the little energy I have on bickering . This is not Facebook/Reddit/etc but a real community with real caring thoughtful people , so I hope you'll find support here


~

you'll be held accountable if you previously acted as if you were a doctor, by telling me I would experience psychosis lol.

2. A mischaracterization of "mischaracaterization of a method"

Lol . At least I got your whimsical humour