Throwaway9787
Mage
- Jun 27, 2019
- 545
Political abuse of psychiatry - Wikipedia
There are a lot of quacks in psychiatry, some unwittingly or intentionally. My psychiatrist gaslight me
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not_a_robot
"i hope the leaving is joyful, & never to return"
- May 30, 2019
- 2,121
Harmful fraud. Malevolent, malicious, hateful fraud.
As much as I still agree that psychiatry is very flawed there have been huge strides made since 2006. Especially with Fmri and other techniques.
alizee
Arcanist
- Jul 22, 2018
- 452
Manipulating and conditioning are the main tools and why law enforcement are so buddy buddy with the field. The drugs are used for making that purpose easier and to delude a person that has had a very unfair life; where abusers get away with it all and no recourse is done. The field doesn't follow scientific procedure and it's pseudoscience. Patients are basically guinea pigs for research concerning the brain and drugs. Used to even get lobotomized or experimented on if shocking the brain in whatever regions would wipe whatever classification of memories. Such an evil field.
I think it's probably some of both. I do think some genuinely do want to help. I can see that.
There is a dark side to it though of what's basically human experimentation.
It's hard to tell the difference sometimes and maybe as usual I'm delusional, but I do think some psychiatrists genuinely want to help you.
There is a dark side to it though of what's basically human experimentation.
It's hard to tell the difference sometimes and maybe as usual I'm delusional, but I do think some psychiatrists genuinely want to help you.
alizee
Arcanist
- Jul 22, 2018
- 452
You're being naive. Generally everyone wants to think that because why wouldn't you want to think that but in reality it's not true.
Psychiatry: An Industry of Death Museum
Watch the videos. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights gives the truth about psychiatry. Take a virtual tour of Psychiatry: An Industry of Death Museum. Arm yourself with the truth and then find out what you can do to take action to help bring psychiatry to justice.
www.cchr.org
"Fraud" is a very forgiving description for all of this.
Oblivion Lover
No life, no suffering
- May 30, 2019
- 360
In my opinion, psychology and psychiatry, just like any other science in its baby steps, is a very flawed science that needs a lot more research, but that's not enough reason to say it's a fraud. It's just being not very helpful. Yet.
I think there are often attempts to treat situational problems as medical issues. Usually, there is some stressor that causes the distress in the first place. Medicine can't fix that, even though it can mask the distress it causes for a while.
alizee
Arcanist
- Jul 22, 2018
- 452
Psychiatry & Psychology has just grasped onto being connected to research in Medicine & Neuroscience and where real results have came out (brain surgeries, medicine).
Alchemists is considered the baby steps of modern Chemistry. Psychiatry & Psychology is considered the baby steps of religion and for back in the day controlling people that went against the oligarchy.
Research from Psychiatry & Psychology isn't replicable or proven as other sciences that can simulate the same result again. I read an article a few days ago how the bystander effect is being proven false by surveillance footage. Furthermore, the history of the two fields is a dark evil travesty on humankind. So many lives were experimented upon in tremendously painful ways and that disfigured the victims. Nobody every gets any payout for the wrongs as well in the two fields.
SinisterKid
Visionary
- Jun 1, 2019
- 2,113
3 yrs ago, I would have definitely said science. After recent experiences and reading a lot of material for and against psychiatry, I have come to the conclusion it is a fraud. People [as in the world] want answers and refuse to be told or believe there are none. Psychiatry fills that need as far as mental health is concerned.
alizee
Arcanist
- Jul 22, 2018
- 452
Similar the two fields are heavily financed by the government and have all the resources for keeping an image that's favourable by the vast public. People always assume the best intentions and until they've either went through the system with being wronged or researched more than a normal person would to find the real truth.
JSRF
Student
- May 30, 2018
- 134
It is sciene but a very complex one which isn't well understood yet, Additionally, it is also a business which aims for profits. Scientific advancements are made through trial and error and that's exactly what psychiatrists do. Throwing random meds at you and hoping for them to work. Alternative treatment methods (look up NeuroFeedback for example) simply arent profiting enough, which is another big factor.
alizee
Arcanist
- Jul 22, 2018
- 452
No, using random drugs to see if a person gets better isn't scientific and when nobody understands the brain or the longterm effects of the medication. People use the word science very liberal and that doesn't actually make something scientific.
JSRF
Student
- May 30, 2018
- 134
It's actually the very definition of scientific research. The only way to find out if "Med A" helps "Patient B" is to let him swallow it and wait for results.
The meds themselves have been through that process of testing before they got approved. There's still a large variety of them which may or may not help you, but like I said it simply isn't well understood yet which is probably the reason why there's so many different meds with more or less effectiveness on individual persons.
alizee
Arcanist
- Jul 22, 2018
- 452
No that's not the definition of scientific research. Real science is a rigorous process of limiting outside variables that can alter the outcome. An impossibility in Psychiatry and Psychology. Humans have always been considered flawed in these processes of subjects in an experiment because of the complexity in preventing outside variables and with the unique variables each person has compared to another individual.
The medication process of approval by the FDA is a joke among scientists that understand the FDA process and who are not in the field of desiring drugs leaving the research/development stage. The longterm studies are 2-3 years for approval. Anyone that understand statistics knows of variance and how the size of sample size matters. The sample size for new medication is tremendously small with the amount of outside variables that are altering the studies with lifestyles of the persons being different and not measured/reported.
Furthermore, the process is grossly influenced by the pharmaceutical companies that pay tremendous donations for things to stay the same. The researchers developing the drugs have their career on the line with the years invested for everything to get approved as well.
Examples of actual real science in society is in physics, engineering, computer science, chemistry, healthcare such as in surgery & medication for the purpose of defeating a bacteria and mathematics.
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cryptic_cynic
Degenerate
- Jul 8, 2019
- 129
What a joke. In the United states at least, the agency in charge of "approving" drugs is in bed with the pharmaceutical industry. They have admitted that they largely defer to the drug manufacturers who pay "researchers" to come to the conclusions that best suit the industry's economic interests.
A quick look at the incredibly high number of people who have been seriously injured or killed by pharmaceuticals that were "approved" by government/pharmaceutical companies would disabuse you of your incredibly naive belief in the benevolence of these sick fucks who get off on experimenting on people.
Going Home
Specialist
- Sep 21, 2018
- 357
Psychiatry= A FRAUDULENT business set up to take advantage of poor, marginalized and mentally ill people. There's never been a bigger racket.
I was hearing voices and isolating./moodswings,seriously dysfunctional before psychiatrists got their hands on me with their meds and diagnosis's , so I can't really blame psychiatry for what happened to me. I have been under psychiatry /.mental health services for years and I have to say very little has helped or even provided relief from my ingrained sense of anxiety /suspiciousness of people and anger. I would say the experiences have been at best benign or perhaps mildly hopefull when I rarely find a mental health professional who seems to 'get it',but then what happens is they leave.... they retire/ they transfer to another part of the country and then what replaces them is someone who despite being in the field of mental illness has no understanding of it apart from what is read in text books and certainly not trauma. Then psychiatry becomes harmful if anything, mis diagnosis's, forced hospitalisations, drugged up on medications that at the absolute best help slightly with sleep but have nasty side effects. Then eventually when this doesn't work,they turn round and blame you!!
I can also go on to talk about the hospitals or psychiatric'units' as they are called these days. These are no safe places despite what you are told. In my experience ,psychotic patients allowed to do as they wish, attack already unwell traumatised people,and they are only removed to a more secure place when they attack staff!, you think community psychiatry is bad, just experience what happens in their hospitals!! For years I have been living in a kind of limbo, hoping that things would get better, but twenty years ago when I first became a patient I knew I was fucked and find it very difficult not to drive my car {I still drove then} into a motorway bridge , you just can't change life events that happened when you were young and your brain still developing. One psychologist told me she was shocked I had lasted as long as I had without ending up in prison/a secure mental hospital or a box. She told me part of my brain 'arrested' when I was a child and it's not developed properly,how can you change that if she is right? .One theory of many. But Iam tired now, so tried, life just gets worse and worse,more complicated by the year.
I think if psychiatry can be helpful at all, it's to provide caring compassionate care to the mentally broken and not be punative anymore. Make these hospitals actual safe places, set damaged people up in caring communities where they are safe. Be advocates for these people.
What I also find so sad but also a blessing,is how patients us mentally ill loonies are in general so compassionate towards each other. We are all in the same boat, and there is a real kinship.
I can also go on to talk about the hospitals or psychiatric'units' as they are called these days. These are no safe places despite what you are told. In my experience ,psychotic patients allowed to do as they wish, attack already unwell traumatised people,and they are only removed to a more secure place when they attack staff!, you think community psychiatry is bad, just experience what happens in their hospitals!! For years I have been living in a kind of limbo, hoping that things would get better, but twenty years ago when I first became a patient I knew I was fucked and find it very difficult not to drive my car {I still drove then} into a motorway bridge , you just can't change life events that happened when you were young and your brain still developing. One psychologist told me she was shocked I had lasted as long as I had without ending up in prison/a secure mental hospital or a box. She told me part of my brain 'arrested' when I was a child and it's not developed properly,how can you change that if she is right? .One theory of many. But Iam tired now, so tried, life just gets worse and worse,more complicated by the year.
I think if psychiatry can be helpful at all, it's to provide caring compassionate care to the mentally broken and not be punative anymore. Make these hospitals actual safe places, set damaged people up in caring communities where they are safe. Be advocates for these people.
What I also find so sad but also a blessing,is how patients us mentally ill loonies are in general so compassionate towards each other. We are all in the same boat, and there is a real kinship.
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Of course psychiatry is a total fraud. First of all most people who go into tbe field are nuts themselves and thinking that if they study tbe subject they mght find out some way to help themselves.
Now OK you have a criminal case in court. The defense hires a prominent psych and he testifies that the defendent is not responsible for his crimes because be is crazy. Meanwhile the prosecution trots out another prominent psych who testifies that the criminal is perfectly sane. How is that a science? That's just bullshit and so is the whole phony field - and those bastards have put so many schoolboys - yeah mostly boys - on hard narcotics like ritalin for phony diseases they made up, like ADD, ADHD, etc etc.!
Now OK you have a criminal case in court. The defense hires a prominent psych and he testifies that the defendent is not responsible for his crimes because be is crazy. Meanwhile the prosecution trots out another prominent psych who testifies that the criminal is perfectly sane. How is that a science? That's just bullshit and so is the whole phony field - and those bastards have put so many schoolboys - yeah mostly boys - on hard narcotics like ritalin for phony diseases they made up, like ADD, ADHD, etc etc.!
I piled all my medication up in the backgarden and set fire to it a few weeks back,this was because I was told Iam now pre diabetic as I had a blood test and one of the meds they make me take is linked with causing diabetes . Now I get daily medication and if I refuse to take it I have been told I will be put back in hospital.
But while my effort may have been fruitless,Iam glad they can see how much hatred I have for medication. the mental health lot basically worship these toxic pills it's almost a religious event to them. I noticed it in hospital. some nurse at meds time where we all had to line up like good boys and girls was saying 'take your medication for the nation', I despise it all so much now.
But while my effort may have been fruitless,Iam glad they can see how much hatred I have for medication. the mental health lot basically worship these toxic pills it's almost a religious event to them. I noticed it in hospital. some nurse at meds time where we all had to line up like good boys and girls was saying 'take your medication for the nation', I despise it all so much now.
Umbra
Trans Girl
- Mar 15, 2019
- 109
Some of the medications provide symptoms relief as intended. If they were not effective whatsoever it would be a total fraud. It's only half a fraud.
Going Home
Specialist
- Sep 21, 2018
- 357
Psychiatry is fraud and if the Dr. personally doesn't like you they'll mistreat and gaslight you, use you as a guinea pig and let you get hurt or die. They'll encourage people NOT to help when you need it the most.
It's well known so called anti-depressants work almost exclusively through the placebo-effect. So called antipsychotics work by turning people into zombies so they don't care about their symptoms. Benzo's work to some degree (much like getting loaded on alcohol) for the short term but they are highly addictive and actually worsen the very symptoms they are used to treat long term. None of these medications were discovered by psychiatrists or based on research done by them.
Nobody, me least of all me, disputes that chemistry is a real science.
None of the effects of psychiatric medicine have ever been adequately explained scientifically no are there actual cures in the field of psychiatry, there simply is no known biological cause or physical mechanism behind any so called mental illness (except drug induced psychosis) and researchers in the field have come to the conclusion that psychopathology is a pseudoscience.
Unless they actually make real progress in the understanding of what they pretend to study psychopathology will never be a science and psychiatry will never be science-based.
Psychiatry is based on Biology. So unless you consider also Biology and all the natural sciences a fraud...
The problem of Psychiatry is that :
- It is still in infancy, and somewhat in the Stone Age compared to other sciences that have made huge strides since their beginning. All science is in constant evolution, and in a century from now, everything we know today will be considered the Stone Age of science, and same for the century after that, etc..
- It is extraordinarly corrupted by the pharma industries , especially in the US where people would sell their mother for a few more bucks and the amount of money you have is constantly promoted as the barometer by which you measure if you "made it" in life or not, and falling sick can make you bankrupted if you don't have insurance ( which most people in the rest of the industrialized countries get for free )
Personaly, I would nationalize ALL the pharmaceutical industry.
Really, all you have to do is pick up a few neurobiology books and study the human brain. Even basic knowledge will help you understand the basics of psychiatry, but also its actual limits. I started studying myself many years out of my own frustrations with my issues, and with my psychs. I still don't know much, but enough to be able to argue with my psych and convince them what I should be prescribed and what I shouldn't be prescribed.
In fact , if it wasn't for the monetary interference of some sections of the pharma industry, psychiatry would be in a far advanced state today.
Also, there are plenty of herbs that has been used for centuries in various cultures for their mental effects, that have some serious and solid scientific studies behind, that are as powerful and efficient as many pharmaceutical molecules. The basis of their mode of action is even very similar to some well-known psy medications. Right now I'm using perhaps 80% herbal and 20% pharma molecules.
The reason you won't get them prescribed is complex :
- Pharmaceutical companies can only make money by patenting their molecules. If a molecule cannot be patented, anyone can make it and sell it, and therefore there is very little money to be made for them.
- Herbs cannot be patented. You cannot patent curcumin ( one of the most patent anti-inflammatory on the planet), theanine ( which is nearly as efficient as some benzodiazepines ) , etc..
- Scientific studies cost a lot of money. This money has to come from somewhere. Pharmaceutical can rely on their massive budgets and profits to conduct studies on molecules they have patented and from which they will be the sole monetary benefactor if the result of the studies are rock solid and they can get greenlighted from government agencies (which , depending on the country, can be corrupted or solidly on the consumer's side).
- And since there is very little money to be made from herbs and plants, pharmaceutical industries have ZERO incentive to fund their studies. ALL studies made about non-patentable herbals and plants come from government/public subsidiaries, ,universities, charities/foundations. And all that money is chump change compared to the money private pharma can invest.
- There is unfortunately the issue of some herbal extracts not being manufactured with the same high level of control as pharma molecules, whith the end result of many of them being inneficient unless you get the right brand ( and that can take a LOT of trial and error believe me. I've gone sometimes thru 10 or more brands for some specific herbals before finding one that works ). Pharma companies know that and use it often to attack the use of non-patented herbals, even when they have tons of studies behind it. And when the interest just gets too big, they will just try to isolate a compound in the herbal and try to patent it ( as they are desperatly trying to do right now with curcumin that has revealed to be amazing for various cancers and inflammatory diseases)
Capitalism is a lost cause when it comes to health. This doesn't mean of course that all pharma molecules are fraud, but there are plenty of them that are both more expensive and less efficient than some herbals, and there is incentive for companies to try and skew the results of some of their studies to make them look better than it should. But when it works, it works.
Some cultures with high knowledge of herbals have been doing psychiatry before it was called "psychiatry" by the West and taken over by private pharma compnaies. Chinese and Indian ( Aryuvedic) have been using herbs that act on various neurotransmitters ( as confirmed by plenty of studies you can check yourselves on https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ ) for centuries, and with often less side-effects. Bacopa or Saint-John's Worth work fantastically well for many people with depression. Ashwagandha, L-Theanine, Lemon Balm, Lavender work as well or better than many benzodiazepines or SSRI's ( like escitalopram ) for a lot of people with anxiety . Hell, even 800mg of magnesium glycinate sometimes works better than escitalopram (Lexapro) for anxiety, and Inositol ( also called vitamin B8) which you can buy for dirt cheap, has proven extremely efficient for OCD and some forms of autism.
And the list goes on and on...
Science is Science. Be sceptical, but do not throw the baby with the water.
The problem of Psychiatry is that :
- It is still in infancy, and somewhat in the Stone Age compared to other sciences that have made huge strides since their beginning. All science is in constant evolution, and in a century from now, everything we know today will be considered the Stone Age of science, and same for the century after that, etc..
- It is extraordinarly corrupted by the pharma industries , especially in the US where people would sell their mother for a few more bucks and the amount of money you have is constantly promoted as the barometer by which you measure if you "made it" in life or not, and falling sick can make you bankrupted if you don't have insurance ( which most people in the rest of the industrialized countries get for free )
Personaly, I would nationalize ALL the pharmaceutical industry.
Really, all you have to do is pick up a few neurobiology books and study the human brain. Even basic knowledge will help you understand the basics of psychiatry, but also its actual limits. I started studying myself many years out of my own frustrations with my issues, and with my psychs. I still don't know much, but enough to be able to argue with my psych and convince them what I should be prescribed and what I shouldn't be prescribed.
In fact , if it wasn't for the monetary interference of some sections of the pharma industry, psychiatry would be in a far advanced state today.
Also, there are plenty of herbs that has been used for centuries in various cultures for their mental effects, that have some serious and solid scientific studies behind, that are as powerful and efficient as many pharmaceutical molecules. The basis of their mode of action is even very similar to some well-known psy medications. Right now I'm using perhaps 80% herbal and 20% pharma molecules.
The reason you won't get them prescribed is complex :
- Pharmaceutical companies can only make money by patenting their molecules. If a molecule cannot be patented, anyone can make it and sell it, and therefore there is very little money to be made for them.
- Herbs cannot be patented. You cannot patent curcumin ( one of the most patent anti-inflammatory on the planet), theanine ( which is nearly as efficient as some benzodiazepines ) , etc..
- Scientific studies cost a lot of money. This money has to come from somewhere. Pharmaceutical can rely on their massive budgets and profits to conduct studies on molecules they have patented and from which they will be the sole monetary benefactor if the result of the studies are rock solid and they can get greenlighted from government agencies (which , depending on the country, can be corrupted or solidly on the consumer's side).
- And since there is very little money to be made from herbs and plants, pharmaceutical industries have ZERO incentive to fund their studies. ALL studies made about non-patentable herbals and plants come from government/public subsidiaries, ,universities, charities/foundations. And all that money is chump change compared to the money private pharma can invest.
- There is unfortunately the issue of some herbal extracts not being manufactured with the same high level of control as pharma molecules, whith the end result of many of them being inneficient unless you get the right brand ( and that can take a LOT of trial and error believe me. I've gone sometimes thru 10 or more brands for some specific herbals before finding one that works ). Pharma companies know that and use it often to attack the use of non-patented herbals, even when they have tons of studies behind it. And when the interest just gets too big, they will just try to isolate a compound in the herbal and try to patent it ( as they are desperatly trying to do right now with curcumin that has revealed to be amazing for various cancers and inflammatory diseases)
Capitalism is a lost cause when it comes to health. This doesn't mean of course that all pharma molecules are fraud, but there are plenty of them that are both more expensive and less efficient than some herbals, and there is incentive for companies to try and skew the results of some of their studies to make them look better than it should. But when it works, it works.
Some cultures with high knowledge of herbals have been doing psychiatry before it was called "psychiatry" by the West and taken over by private pharma compnaies. Chinese and Indian ( Aryuvedic) have been using herbs that act on various neurotransmitters ( as confirmed by plenty of studies you can check yourselves on https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ ) for centuries, and with often less side-effects. Bacopa or Saint-John's Worth work fantastically well for many people with depression. Ashwagandha, L-Theanine, Lemon Balm, Lavender work as well or better than many benzodiazepines or SSRI's ( like escitalopram ) for a lot of people with anxiety . Hell, even 800mg of magnesium glycinate sometimes works better than escitalopram (Lexapro) for anxiety, and Inositol ( also called vitamin B8) which you can buy for dirt cheap, has proven extremely efficient for OCD and some forms of autism.
And the list goes on and on...
Science is Science. Be sceptical, but do not throw the baby with the water.
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