psych ward scared to get trapped here

[Ondine0000ff]

Hello! After telling my mom i want to ctb (because we were going to take an appartement for me to move out tomorrow, and i thought it would have been to big of a waste of time and money) she brought me to the hospital. There the nurses offered me to sleep one night in a special departement in the psych ward where i can have my phone and everything so everyone can cool down and i can decide if i want to stay or not. Of course im planning on leaving tomorrow, i accepted cause i thought why not you know? But it already sucks and i want to go.

But now im scared it was a trap all along and they're planning on making me stay, does anyone knows if they can do that? I am 19 and French so legaly i can decide right if i want to stay right?

 

[Takamagahara]

Not overly familiar with French law but if they let you have your phone then they will most likely let you go if you ask.

At least in America, if its involuntary then they definitely take your phone away.

 

[Marine]

Hello! After telling my mom i want to ctb (because we were going to take an appartement for me to move out tomorrow, and i thought it would have been to big of a waste of time and money) she brought me to the hospital. There the nurses offered me to sleep one night in a special departement in the psych ward where i can have my phone and everything so everyone can cool down and i can decide if i want to stay or not. Of course im planning on leaving tomorrow, i accepted cause i thought why not you know? But it already sucks and i want to go.

But now im scared it was a trap all along and they're planning on making me stay, does anyone knows if they can do that? I am 19 and French so legaly i can decide right if i want to stay right?

Unfortunately these are the worst places on earth and the so called professional working there are the maddest people around and they get away with anything literally. Including crimes. It can go from volontary to involontary in a heartbeat. If your family or 2 doctors sign a paper requiring your detention you're done for. Your best bet is to lie through and through and convince them that you're ok so they let you out. Be agreeable with them if they recommend such and such outside, don't worry about sincerity, these places cannot help you but they can detain you by force, force drug you, dehumanize and torture you (I speak from experience I'm french too btw). If necessary ask for a lawyer, you have the right to ask for one. Do everything in your power to convince them and your family that you don't need to be there.

 

[Ondine0000ff]

Not overly familiar with French law but if they let you have your phone then they will most likely let you go if you ask.

At least in America, if its involuntary then they definitely take your phone away.

Ohhhh okay thank you so much!!

 

[Marine]

I don't mean to scare you but be very careful. These are very dangerous places, especially if you're naive.

 

[Ondine0000ff]

Unfortunately these are the worst places on earth and the so called professional working there are the maddest people around and they get away with anything literally. Including crimes. Your best bet is to lie through and through and convince them that you're ok so they let you out. Be agreeable with them if they recommend such and such, don't worry about sincerity, these places cannot help you but they can imprison you by force, force drug you, dehumanize and torture you (I speak from experience I'm french too btw). If necessary ask for a lawyer, you have the right to ask for one. Do everything in your power to convince them and your family that you don't need to be there.

Oh dear! Thank you for sharing your experiences! I will keep that in mind tomorrow morning (I wasn't planning on telling them i still want to ctb either way haha). Still, im so sorry if you had bad experiences with health professionals... Its so sad that the only people who can "help us" can also be the worse at their job...

 

[Marine]

Oh dear! Thank you for sharing your experiences! I will keep that in mind tomorrow morning (I wasn't planning on telling them i still want to ctb either way haha). Still, im so sorry if you had bad experiences with health professionals... Its so sad that the only people who can "help us" can also be the worse at their job...

You're welcome. I was stupidly naive the first times because I didn't know any better and it resulted in pure horror, these people function like prison workers on steroids unfortunately and are thoroughly dehumanized, even psychopathic most of the time, a good part of my trauma comes from such places... They are especially brainwashed when it comes to suicide and self harm issues which is the ultimate irony.. It says a lot about societal dysfunction...

They're pretty much the opposite of people who can help us. I would look for local associations of regular people, places where you can make friends in general, or peer groups if available, even a regular psychologist (not affiliated with a hospital) for help.

 

[Ondine0000ff]

You're welcome. I was stupidly naive the first times because I didn't know any better and it resulted in pure horror, these people function like prison workers on steroids unfortunately and are thoroughly dehumanized, even psychopathic most of the time, a good part of my trauma comes from such places... They are especially brainwashed when it comes to suicide and self harm, issues which is the ultimate irony.. It says a lot about societal dysfunction...

They're pretty much the opposite of people who can help us. I would look for local associations of normal people, places where you can make friends in general, or peer groups if available, even a regular psychologist (not affiliated with a hospital) for help.

Good idea, I'll keep that in mind too!! I hope you found/will find someone who can truly help you!

 

[Marine]

Good idea, I'll keep that in mind too!! I hope you found/will find someone who can truly help you!

Not yet but I really hope so... I hope you do too.

 

[Sweet Tart]

Your best bet is to lie through and through and convince them that you're ok so they let you out. Be agreeable with them if they recommend such and such outside, don't worry about sincerity, these places cannot help you but they can detain you by force, force drug you, dehumanize and torture you (I speak from experience I'm french too btw). If necessary ask for a lawyer, you have the right to ask for one.

This is very good advice to be calm and agreeable to suggestions and referrals. The point of the assessment is to see if you are mentally competent to know you need help and to ensure you are motivated to get it independently (i.e. outside the hospital).

The fact that you agreed to 1 night voluntarily works in your favor; it shows you are receptive to treatment. I think they will be easy on you tomorrow, as long as you can stay calm. Psych units are for people in acute crisis, and they need beds available for those cases.

About the stuff going on with your mom and the apartment- maybe the unit social worker can give you info or referrals on financial and housing support or even family therapy? Idk your situation, it's just a thought. Asking for that stuff shows future-oriented thinking- they love to see this because it means you are planning on living and not likely to ctb right after discharge. Wishing you good luck getting thru the 1 night and hoping you are free again soon.

 

[Ondine0000ff]

This is very good advice to be calm and agreeable to suggestions and referrals. The point of the assessment is to see if you are mentally competent to know you need help and to ensure you are motivated to get it independently (i.e. outside the hospital).

The fact that you agreed to 1 night voluntarily works in your favor; it shows you are receptive to treatment. I think they will be easy on you tomorrow, as long as you can stay calm. Psych units are for people in acute crisis, and they need beds available for those cases.

About the stuff going on with your mom and the apartment- maybe the unit social worker can give you info or referrals on financial and housing support or even family therapy? Idk your situation, it's just a thought. Asking for that stuff shows future-oriented thinking- they love to see this because it means you are planning on living and not likely to ctb right after discharge. Wishing you good luck getting thru the 1 night and hoping you are free again soon.

Omg thank you so much for your response, its almost like a guide I love it! geez thank god i said yes i don't want to imagine what would have happened if i said no omg...

And for the appartement its just a question of time actually since i live 3 hours from where im suposed to move out and university starts on september 1st. Also the visists give me anxiety so i really don't want to do them lol... I'll try to subdue my emotions and act very calmly tomorrow! i'll also show them im projecting myself moving out. Thank you for responding!!! People are so receptive and comprehensive on this site im very happy i discovered it thanks everyone!! x3

 

[Sweet Tart]

Omg thank you so much for your response, its almost like a guide I love it! geez thank god i said yes i don't want to imagine what would have happened if i said no omg...

And for the appartement its just a question of time actually since i live 3 hours from where im suposed to move out and university starts on september 1st. Also the visists give me anxiety so i really don't want to do them lol... I'll try to subdue my emotions and act very calmly tomorrow! i'll also show them im projecting myself moving out. Thank you for responding!!! People are so receptive and comprehensive on this site im very happy i discovered it thanks everyone!! x3

I think you're really brave for agreeing to stay the night! You don't have to be super calm, just not overly emotional. It's natural to have a reaction to being there. I hope things go smoothly with this and with university.

 

[Ondine0000ff]

I think you're really brave for agreeing to stay the night! You don't have to be super calm, just not overly emotional. It's natural to have a reaction to being there. I hope things go smoothly with this and with university.

Ohhh okay okay thanks, and yeah I hope things go smoothly too!

 

[asian.neet]

Not overly familiar with French law but if they let you have your phone then they will most likely let you go if you ask.

At least in America, if its involuntary then they definitely take your phone away.

The second part, nah they will take your phone regardless of the psych ward and whether you're voluntary or involuntary