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I enjoy prozac because it numbs my emotions and makes motivation for things like work easier.

But on prozac I don't feel love anymore. I recently restarted and all the feelings I had for my girlfriend completely left.
 
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I've heard that some of them flatten out emotions and kill sex drive. I assume that's an unwanted side effect when they created them. Although, maybe it was strategic. As in- let's make these depressed people less likely to reproduce... I don't trust doctors.
 
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I've heard that some of them flatten out emotions and kill sex drive. I assume that's an unwanted side effect when they created them. Although, maybe it was strategic. As in- let's make these depressed people less likely to reproduce... I don't trust doctors.
Your last two senternces don't make much sense. I think if they wanted to stop us from reproduction they would also be in favor of assisted suicide. And even if then it's the pharma lobby and not doctors.
 
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Your last two senternces don't make much sense. I think if they wanted to stop us from reproduction they would also be in favor of assisted suicide. And even if then it's the pharma lobby and not doctors.
Yeah, that's true.
 
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I've heard that some of them flatten out emotions and kill sex drive. I assume that's an unwanted side effect when they created them. Although, maybe it was strategic. As in- let's make these depressed people less likely to reproduce... I don't trust doctors.
flattens my emotions for sure. That's somewhat the point of taking it for me. It was a last resort so I could function and not completely drown.

Sex drive is not an issue, though, lol.

I don't think the effects are strategic. In fact, I think it's the opposite. I think Drs have no idea what they're doing, as the brain and receptors throughout the body connected to it are too complicated. I think they just try a med that they know messes with your brain to see if it helps or not, and Prozac tends to be more on the calming side, what I've called a cool depression. Sorry if I'm repeating myself from the past, but to me it's like an airplane is crashing, the pilot is unconscious, and you're looking at the controls with no idea what to do, so you try moving some sliders and hitting buttons to see if anything works and sometimes you manage to straighten it out a little.
 
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flattens my emotions for sure. That's somewhat the point of taking it for me. It was a last resort so I could function and not completely drown.

Sex drive is not an issue, though, lol.

I don't think the effects are strategic. In fact, I think it's the opposite. I think Drs have no idea what they're doing, as the brain and receptors throughout the body connected to it are too complicated. I think they just try a med that they know messes with your brain to see if it helps or not, and Prozac tends to be more on the calming side, what I've called a cool depression. Sorry if I'm repeating myself from the past, but to me it's like an airplane is crashing, the pilot is unconscious, and you're looking at the controls with no idea what to do, so you try moving some sliders and hitting buttons to see if anything works and sometimes you manage to straighten it out a little.

This is exactly what it seems like to me too: 'Let's try you on this and, see what happens.' I guess I can understand wanting to take the risk if you feel really desperate. I was in the past. I suppose what annoys me though is- they don't present it as a risk. That goes for other medication too. I got prescribed Meto once. I must have read the small print in the leaflet but it was only on here I really understood what tardive dyskinesia is. Maybe it's a very uncommon side effect but, I think I would have put up with feeling sick if I'd understood it properly!

I guess the doctors make that assessment for us. That the benefits outweigh the risks but, I wonder how much people are told about the risks going into it. I don't remember my GP telling me there were any risks with Fluoexetine. (Prozac.) She just said it was known to make a lot of people feel better. It didn't seem to make any difference to me but then, maybe I didn't take it for long enough.

I suppose that wasn't a very well thought out idea that they may be glad of the diminished sex drive for depressed people. Actually, if they truly wanted it to help, I don't imagine that would be a good effect. It just disturbs me how it seems so experimental! But, maybe that's the case with all drugs.
 
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This is exactly what it seems like to me too: 'Let's try you on this and, see what happens.' I guess I can understand wanting to take the risk if you feel really desperate. I was in the past. I suppose what annoys me though is- they don't present it as a risk. That goes for other medication too. I got prescribed Meto once. I must have read the small print in the leaflet but it was only on here I really understood what tardive dyskinesia is. Maybe it's a very uncommon side effect but, I think I would have put up with feeling sick if I'd understood it properly!

I guess the doctors make that assessment for us. That the benefits outweigh the risks but, I wonder how much people are told about the risks going into it. I don't remember my GP telling me there were any risks with Fluoexetine. (Prozac.) She just said it was known to make a lot of people feel better. It didn't seem to make any difference to me but then, maybe I didn't take it for long enough.

I suppose that wasn't a very well thought out idea that they may be glad of the diminished sex drive for depressed people. Actually, if they truly wanted it to help, I don't imagine that would be a good effect. It just disturbs me how it seems so experimental! But, maybe that's the case with all drugs.
The experimental side is troubling. I also always wonder about financial interests in choosing medication when making the assessment for us.

But yes, for me it was that I was spiraling at my job, so if I didn't try something I'd be unemployed, homeless, dead, or - much worse - living back home with my parents.
 
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The experimental side is troubling. I also always wonder about financial interests in choosing medication when making the assessment for us.

But yes, for me it was that I was spiraling at my job, so if I didn't try something I'd be unemployed, homeless, dead, or - much worse - living back home with my parents.

Definitely, finances play a role I would think. Some drugs are incredibly expensive. Other times, I wonder if they have contracts that ultimately work through our governments I suppose. It all does seem kind of troubling. My GP seemed shocked once when I told him the only pills I took semi regularly was paracetamol. Like- maybe it's more 'normal' to be on a bunch of medication by this age. (Mid 40's.)

But then- that's also the thing that upsets me. I was similar to you in that I sought out meds in my 20's to try and cope with a mind numbing shop job while studying for a second BA. The alternative of failing obviously seemed worse but it's like- where does it end? You've got school children using Adderall to give them an edge. This drive to perform and succeed and compete might be good on the one hand, but can it start destroying other things? Or, cause addiction problems if we become over reliant on drugs from a young age?

Maybe it hinges on what we consider is the most important thing as being human. Is it to learn, succeed and get a good job? I guess we kind of have to to live but, it's also kind of sad (I think) if that is all our value. To work and make more money for others. I'm not convinced that's the path to happiness. I suppose the rebel in me doesn't like it that these drugs effectively help us to be more compliant. But then, i'm not rebellious enough to swim against the tide either. (Sorry I went a bit off topic there OP.)
 
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Definitely, finances play a role I would think. Some drugs are incredibly expensive. Other times, I wonder if they have contracts that ultimately work through our governments I suppose. It all does seem kind of troubling. My GP seemed shocked once when I told him the only pills I took semi regularly was paracetamol. Like- maybe it's more 'normal' to be on a bunch of medication by this age. (Mid 40's.)

But then- that's also the thing that upsets me. I was similar to you in that I sought out meds in my 20's to try and cope with a mind numbing shop job while studying for a second BA. The alternative of failing obviously seemed worse but it's like- where does it end? You've got school children using Adderall to give them an edge. This drive to perform and succeed and compete might be good on the one hand, but can it start destroying other things? Or, cause addiction problems if we become over reliant on drugs from a young age?

Maybe it hinges on what we consider is the most important thing as being human. Is it to learn, succeed and get a good job? I guess we kind of have to to live but, it's also kind of sad (I think) if that is all our value. To work and make more money for others. I'm not convinced that's the path to happiness. I suppose the rebel in me doesn't like it that these drugs effectively help us to be more compliant. But then, i'm not rebellious enough to swim against the tide either. (Sorry I went a bit off topic there OP.)
Unfortunately - and I hate it - your worth to the society around you comes from the measurable value you can provide, which will largely be succeeding and getting a good job. It may not be the path to happiness but it's the path to receiving value in return.

What you say makes me consider the difference in motivations at a macro and micro level. Say we are concerned about addiction in kids and burning them out at a macro level, the thing is - like we've hit on - at the individual level people will do what they need to in the moment. We have a mental health crisis. There are psychological issues in modern society that didn't exist a generation ago and it's because of how things changed and developed, not just people being weak. If we want people to not make the desperate choices on the micro, we have to change the macro, but it doesn't seem like that will happen.
 
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