Prolifers will always be the Majority

[last_tour]

Theres a perfectly logical reason why their will always be more prolifers than prochoicers and its all because of natural selection...

All the people who are pro-choice most likely do not have or want offsprings, and may have already killed themselves. Whats left is those who are pro-life, and they keep multiplying because they have more offsprings like themselves. Even if some of their offsprings happen to turn out as pro-choice they will either kill themselves or choose not to have kids. Otherwise they keep living and having more children. This means at any given time people with prolife ideology will always be the majority,

So its a complete waste of time to try and convince a pro-lifer. We are just going to have to live with the fact that we are a minority and carry on without approval from the other side.

 

[Worndown]

I thought it was because being pro-life is easy. The lazy view of life and all there is in it.

 

[deadpixels]

Well, you're assuming that everything is inherited by genetics and ignoring the cultural heritage. Death and suicide has been viewed differently though history in different places.

 

[your pathologist]

Also society doesn't work if everyone's just going to kill themselves.

 

[RileyTanaka]

As a misanthrope, I have to take the stance that humans are incredibly vain and driven to reproduce their genetic line - for what purpose I have no idea. As others have said, there is no inherent worth or benefit to having more humans on Earth and I'd argue we are more of a destructive force to the planet. Having children and replicating your genes is a nice distraction from your inevitable mortality and suicide is a natural threat to that instinct. There is nothing objectively or inherently wrong with being alive, nor being dead, but that would be too challenging for most anti-choice people to face.

Also, I kind of hope people might adopt the term "anti-choice" instead of "pro-lifers," as it makes us sound like we are unilaterally for death, as opposed to the right to die with dignity. Just my two cents.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

We are just going to have to live with the fact that we are a minority and carry on

So that I could understand that this is your perspective and what you believe for yourself, I re-phrased that as "I" instead of "we."

 

[Shinbu]

I'm glad we have the ability to ctb. Society wants us to live no matter what, it's either take it, or just suffer in silence, screw that a third option exist. Screw the universe, there should be nothing to exist ,but the universe comes out of nothingness wtf. I hope someone finds a way to destroy the universe. If humans can't stop this cycle then maybe aliens can. Non existence is true peace.

 

[last_tour]

As a misanthrope, I have to take the stance that humans are incredibly vain and driven to reproduce their genetic line - for what purpose I have no idea. As others have said, there is no inherent worth or benefit to having more humans on this planet and I'd argue we are more of a destructive force to the planet. Altruism (imo) is merely an illusion that masks the true nature of humans - to extend our survival. Having children and replicating your genes is a nice distraction from your inevitable mortality and suicide is a natural threat to that instinct. There is nothing inherently wrong with being alive, nor being dead.

Thats the point i was trying to make, we have no purpose and we are only here because we evolved to have traits to multiply enough to have an existance in this world. it has nothing to do with ideology even for the people that want to reproduce. Its a simple matter of numbers, and who gets left behind. if you die you can't make a stance or reproduce, but the living can and will keep going.

 

[RileyTanaka]

Thats the point i was trying to make, we have no purpose and we are only here because we evolved to have traits to multiply enough to have an existance in this world. it has nothing to do with ideology even for the people that want to reproduce. Its a simple matter of numbers, and who gets left behind. if you die you can't make a stance or reproduce, but the living can and will keep going.

I had to re-read your statements a couple times to get it. I agree.

Thats the point i was trying to make, we have no purpose and we are only here because we evolved to have traits to multiply enough to have an existance in this world. it has nothing to do with ideology even for the people that want to reproduce. Its a simple matter of numbers, and who gets left behind. if you die you can't make a stance or reproduce, but the living can and will keep going.

Only thing is - there are indeed people who are alive, stay alive, and are pro-choice. They just tend to be in fringe philosophical communities like antinatalism and misanthropy, etc.

 

[last_tour]

Well, you're assuming that everything is inherited by genetics and ignoring the cultural heritage. Death and suicide has been viewed differently though history in different places.

If the pro-choice aren't around to carry on that heritage, its going to eventually dissipate over time or kept to a minimum. Meanwhile Pro-lifers with their ideology have a better chance to spread because they live longer and have more offsprings. My point is how on earth can you convince them if you aren't alive? and is that even our goal? therefore its a waste of time trying to convince them.

 

[deadpixels]

If the pro-choice aren't around to carry on that heritage, its going to eventually dissipate over time or kept to a minimum. Meanwhile Pro-lifers with their ideology have a better chance to spread because they live longer and have more offsprings. My point is how on earth can you convince them if you aren't alive? and is that even our goal? therefore its a waste of time trying to convince them.

The dead can, in a way, interact with the living, through written words, songs, paintings, photos, in the memories of the still living, oral history etc. And people don't simply kill themselves, we talk about it for a good while, don't we? And it's possible to be pro-choice while having no desire to die. While it may be easier to propagate pro-life ideas, it's not impossible to propagate pro-choice ideas as well.

I mentioned that death has been viewed differently through history, the Aztec civilization is a good example. Death by sacrifice was considered honorable while dying by old age had the worst spiritual outcome. The Mayans had similar views on death and they even had a suicide goddess, Ixtab. You could say that none of those civilizations are still there and, well, you have a point :)

 

[asimplelife]

pro-lifers arent really pro-life. their true colors show up when discussing the death penalty, child care, the prison system, war, etc.

they love leaving broken people to do menial work.