Venting Procreation is selfish and criminal

[FuneralCry]

Procreation truly is the most selfish crime, I find it devastating the amount of harm that pronatalists cause, it truly disgusts me how they force life here even know existence really is the most hellish abomination with literally no limit as to how much agony one can feel.

To impose potentially decades of meaningless suffering onto someone else is evil to me, it's a disgusting crime to force one to be conscious and aware in an existence so undesirable where they are a slave to a decaying flesh prison that can torture them to the most immense amounts. It's so tragic how they cause others to suffer by forcing them into existence, it's such a terrible, disgusting tragedy how selfish those people are.

More than anything I wish I never existed, what I especially find horrific is how even know we were so unfairly burdened with this existence there isn't the option to just easily die in peace. Access to painless suicide needs to be a human right and the fact that it isn't proves that existence truly is just imprisonment and slavery, we are being punished all because others were selfish enough to commit the crime of procreating, I'm so tired of suffering in this existence, all that I wish for is the true peace of eternal nothingness.

To act like procreation is something positive is absolutely repulsive in every way, I'm disgusted by how many glorify what is such an immensely harmful crime that is ultimately responsible for all the agony and torment humans go through. It's so disturbing how they procreate even know nobody can suffer from never existing at all with their being no need for existence in the first place, it's so terrible how this human species hasn't gone voluntarily extinct yet.

 

[goodoldnoname923]

So weird question to ask,but what are your feelings on abortion then?

My point being is the procreation itself exclusively the problem or the act thus leads to that outcome the equal offender?

Reading between the lines i feel you hate your parents for bringing you into this world,would you feel differently if your mother was to "rid" of you when "deemed legal" by the law or if measures such as protection or medication was taken to prevent this outcome entirely

Or is the outright act or any sort of sexual or primitive lust just bad,again not being vulgar for vulgarity sake just genuinely just a thought that occurred to me

 

[rozeske]

Something that's natural can't be considered a crime. It's not a crime nor should it be to procreate, but being a shitty parent should very well be. The world's evil is not a parents fault, but being the first evil the child ever meets is.

 

[davidtorez]

Prevention is better than cure. Before I was born there was no inconvenience felt. Nothing then something then back to nothing . May as well skip the something in the middle and leave it at nothingness forever

 

[Tesha]

Still not a crime; unless you can point to particular piece of legislation or case law I've missed?

 

[SuicidalBoredom]

I agree with your sentiments, it's a horrible crime to impose life, but the hormone monster possesses us so strongly from such an early age that we (our parents or humanity in general) can not think clearly before having sex.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I just wish they'd invent the male pill, I think it'd be the end of the human species.

 

[All_is_in_vanity]

Procreation truly is the most selfish crime, I find it devastating the amount of harm that pronatalists cause, it truly disgusts me how they force life here even know existence really is the most hellish abomination with literally no limit as to how much agony one can feel.

To impose potentially decades of meaningless suffering onto someone else is evil to me, it's a disgusting crime to force one to be conscious and aware in an existence so undesirable where they are a slave to a decaying flesh prison that can torture them to the most immense amounts. It's so tragic how they cause others to suffer by forcing them into existence, it's such a terrible, disgusting tragedy how selfish those people are.

More than anything I wish I never existed, what I especially find horrific is how even know we were so unfairly burdened with this existence there isn't the option to just easily die in peace. Access to painless suicide needs to be a human right and the fact that it isn't proves that existence truly is just imprisonment and slavery, we are being punished all because others were selfish enough to commit the crime of procreating, I'm so tired of suffering in this existence, all that I wish for is the true peace of eternal nothingness.

To act like procreation is something positive is absolutely repulsive in every way, I'm disgusted by how many glorify what is such an immensely harmful crime that is ultimately responsible for all the agony and torment humans go through. It's so disturbing how they procreate even know nobody can suffer from never existing at all with their being no need for existence in the first place, it's so terrible how this human species hasn't gone voluntarily extinct yet.

We can't go voluntarily extinct. That changes nothing. Hell would become even worse. I don't subscribe to efilism because I think it's impossible but I agree with the fact that humans going extinct solves absolutely nothing.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@All_is_in_vanity a gradual end to human suffering by just not creating any more babies is a pretty good result.

 

[R_N]

Sometimes I wonder if it's impossible for no beings to exist. Even if all beings on earth went extinct who knows what's out there. I was self proclaimed antinatalist for a while and probably still am to a degree, but I don't think procreation and life can be stopped and try not to be harsh on people who do it. Restraining our bodies especially in modern society where everything is about consuming, conformity and pleasure is a hard road. Even if it pays off it is intimidating one to take for majority.

 

[Hotsackage]

In the end there's no survival of the species

 

[davidtorez]

Still not a crime; unless you can point to particular piece of legislation or case law I've missed?

You're right. It's not a crime, that is the wrong word to be used. I personally would call it unethical especially if the option of adoption is available

 

[All_is_in_vanity]

@All_is_in_vanity a gradual end to human suffering by just not creating any more babies is a pretty good result.

While animals rape and slaughter eachother mindlessly? Yea no

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@All_is_in_vanity well we can't solve the cruelty of nature but surely only animals suffering instead of both humans + animals suffering is far better? We inflict far worse torture on animals than they do on each other anyway.

 

[yellowjester]

Still not a crime; unless you can point to particular piece of legislation or case law I've missed?

"Congrats, it's a boy!!! -- Now turn aaround and put your hands behind your back!"

 

[sserafim]

We can't go voluntarily extinct. That changes nothing. Hell would become even worse. I don't subscribe to efilism because I think it's impossible but I agree with the fact that humans going extinct solves absolutely nothing.

So why did you say that people have a "moral obligation" to commit suicide then?

 

[babyharpseal]

almost every parent in existence is a bad parent. whether theyre forced to b neglectful bc of work, or theyre abusive torturers. of the dozens of ppl ive met hardly anyone has good parents, the vast majority have been traumatised by their parents. and even if ur a good parent, having a child nowadays inevitably means living in poverty, and almost noone has the energy after working all day to kindly pay attention to a child. society is becoming constructed so raising children is impossible without neglecting them

birth rates falling in the first world is a good thing. just look at japan, which ppl always hold up as some uniquely bad failure even tho its just the same as any other first-world nation. ppl have less kids bc theyre working too much n dont have enough money. bc of less kids, theres less competition to get into good schools, so all the kids who ARE alive face much less stress and easier lives. isnt that great? isnt it a great thing for the living to more easily get jobs, homes, healthcare etc.? its so stupid for ppl to act like this is some fucking crisis. nurse is one of the top 3 most popular jobs, just eliminate student debt n give better salaries in aged care n all the old ppl will be able to b looked after. and if society rly starts falling apart from lack of workers, thats what immigration is for. reshuffle the existing ppl to improve overall quality of life