Venting Pro-lifers don’t want to be troubled by those who CTB, yet they refuse to legalize RTD!

[TAW122]

I still remember a few years ago during the earlier part of the pandemic (during the first two months and during lockdown), an online friend mentioned about how if people who were homeless ended up dying because of things outside of their control, it was alright because they didn't die by CTB. He also stated that as long as the "homeless and destitute" are not causing problems for others (pro-lifers mainly), then they are free to be homeless (as long as they don't CTB obviously!). Anyways, long story short, basically the premise of this thread is based on that interaction and statement that an online gamer friend made years ago inspired me to write this thread.

The main premise of this thread is about how pro-lifers don't want to be troubled or have problems with the people they deem lower than them, mainly pro-choicers and other dissidents, marginalized groups and such. Fair enough, however, if they don't want that, then they should accept and support these outliers to be able to peacefully go out on their own terms. It is a win-win solution because the pro-lifers no longer get trouble or problems from them and the ones suffering are afforded a peaceful, dignified exit from suffering. But the problem is that they (the pro-lifers) don't want that! They essentially want to have their cake and eat it at the same time!

If anything, us pro-choicers are actually solving the original problem that pro-lifers have, which is not being troubled. We pro-choicers are doing so by exercising our right to decide (on our own terms) when we want to opt ouf of existence, or CTB. But the problem is the pro-lifers don't want us (pro-choicers) to exercise that right, simply due to their own atavistic morals and the fact that our exercising of our bodily autonomy scares them. It scares them (the pro-lifers) because it will prove that life is not worth living and it would shatter their belief of "life is sacred", so they (the pro-lifers) do just about everything to prevent us from leaving our suffering. As a result of this paternalistic intervention against our bodily autonomy, it forces some of us to seek desperate methods to exit, oftenly causing collateral damage (whether passively or actively) to unwilling participants and third parties (mostly other pro-lifers as well) in a desperate attempt to end our suffering.

So in conclusion, pro-lifers don't want problems or trouble from others, yet they don't want to respect our rights to do so when we could easily solve two problems at once. Basically no longer trouble them or create problems for them, and also exercising our right to escape our suffering. Therefore as a result of this, we pro-choicers become desperate in an attempt to exit suffering that we resort to risky means that may or may not succeed and end up causing trouble anyhow. I would even go as far to say that pro-lifers reap what they sow when it comes to their wishes and intentions. They cannot have both at the same time; it's one or the other. If they don't want problems or trouble from their opponents (us pro-choicers and anyone who don't share their same atavistic views or the status quo), then they must respect our rights, otherwise we may end up still inadvertently causing said problems and trouble that they so desperately wish to avoid in the first place!

 

[FuneralCry]

It's obvious that the pro-lifers could never care about suicidal people, they just want to prolong their suffering, I think that if these people really had any compassion they'd respect the individuals right to cease existing.

 

[Homo erectus]

Speaking of pandemic, it reminds people how public opinion is tightly controlled by a small group of people through mainstream media, how it changed from no travel ban to total lockdown in a short time. Probably very few people are fundamentally anti-euthanasia or anti-suicide. They are more like hypnotized. Until the rulers give out a change signal, they will remain the same.

 

[TAW122]

It's obvious that the pro-lifers could never care about suicidal people, they just want to prolong their suffering, I think that if these people really had any compassion they'd respect the individuals right to cease existing.

Indeed, they are pro-sufferers and hence both terms are almost synonymous depending on the context. It seems like pro-lifers just want others to be like them, and see anyone outside of their group or herd to be an opponent that must be converted or saved. They are essentially hivemind colonizers and status quo enforcers.

Speaking of pandemic, it reminds people how public opinion is tightly controlled by a small group of people through mainstream media, how it changed from no travel ban to total lockdown in a short time. Probably very few people are fundamentally anti-euthanasia or anti-suicide. They are more like hypnotized. Until the rulers give out a change signal, they will remain the same.

Yeah I remembered it was a travel ban, then lockdown, and then restrictions, then open, and in present day, varies on situation and cases. The last part seems to be somehow true, perhaps there are very few people who are completely anti-euthanasia or anti-suicide, barring the extreme pro-lifers. I think the majority of pro-lifers would accept or at least tolerate people who are terminally ill who wish to seek medical aid in dying or death with dignity. This is probably because like you mentioned about the rulers and people who set the status quo and terms (the people with power, higher up), it is socially accepted that terminal illness is a legitimate reason, understandable, and well studied so pro-lifers are more inclined to accept/tolerate people with terminal illnesses seeking death. In other words, if the status quo ever does change, then it's possible for euthanasia and death with dignity to expand to cover more than just terminal illnesses (in many more countries - not just Canada, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, etc.).

 

[FadingSunshine]

That's actually a really good point. They should divert their "help" from us to the homeless, who could actually use the help, because they are trying so hard to cling on to life it seems natural to lend a helping hand, instead of holding us in our lives.

 

[Homo erectus]

Indeed, they are pro-sufferers and hence both terms are almost synonymous depending on the context. It seems like pro-lifers just want others to be like them, and see anyone outside of their group or herd to be an opponent that must be converted or saved. They are essentially hivemind colonizers and status quo enforcers.


Yeah I remembered it was a travel ban, then lockdown, and then restrictions, then open, and in present day, varies on situation and cases. The last part seems to be somehow true, perhaps there are very few people who are completely anti-euthanasia or anti-suicide, barring the extreme pro-lifers. I think the majority of pro-lifers would accept or at least tolerate people who are terminally ill who wish to seek medical aid in dying or death with dignity. This is probably because like you mentioned about the rulers and people who set the status quo and terms (the people with power, higher up), it is socially accepted that terminal illness is a legitimate reason, understandable, and well studied so pro-lifers are more inclined to accept/tolerate people with terminal illnesses seeking death. In other words, if the status quo ever does change, then it's possible for euthanasia and death with dignity to expand to cover more than just terminal illnesses (in many more countries - not just Canada, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, etc.).

Canada, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, etc. probably have the highest concentration of rich and powerful people in the world. They are just setting up the right systems for themselves. After the pandemic, the world seems to be in a weird state of stratification. While ordinary people are facing the consequences of pandemic, worrying about jobs, paying bills, mortgages, and medical costs, politicians are worrying about very different things: war in Ukraine, tensions in Asia (china, India, u.s.), and political correctness. The UK PM seems to enjoy PR stunts, putting on different costumes and taking holiday photos with his family, a minority success story. The Ukraine president (an actor by profession) is asking for foreign money and equipment as if it's an obligation. Their world is like Netflix movies. Money is not a problem. They can always find someone to fix any problem. There is no deadend. It doesn't seem like affordable access to euthanasia is a pressing issue for them. Given technology advancement, it's unlikely that they want to keep people alive as cheap labor. But power is so one-sided. Ordinary people aren't threatening them. There is zero chance of a revolution in major countries. There is no incentive for lawmakers to care about the sufferings of ordinary people.