Prison.

[lem]

'Without suicide forums, Callie might still be alive'

The Samaritans have called for suicide forums to be "buried" online in a new Panorama documentary.

www.bbc.com

This story looks, like a prison escape. The person managed to avoid the guards, and escape.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/wish-id-listened-to-your-advice.45858/

Other people are not so fortunate.

We live in a prison.

The only people who are allowed to leave the prison, are rich, old, terminally ill, because they get approved to Pegasos, and can afford it.

 

[schopenh]

'Without suicide forums, Callie might still be alive'
The ideology is very striking here. What the 'truth' is is basically implied throughout the entire article and not brought into question most of the time.
That is 'Callie might still be alive' = 'good' is clear from the title
Reading the entire article, everything is stated as such.
Another quote:
"Without those forums, I think my daughter would have struggled to find the information that she was looking for about how to die," Sarah says.
It's implied that this is a bad thing. It's not brought into analysis at all. .

"What we'd say to anyone who's struggling to cope is suicidal feelings are temporary. They may not feel it at the time but they will pass and there is support available. There is always another way."
It's simply not true, I've wanted to end my life for over three years straight. There was not a single day where I didn't. And the so-called 'support' is uninteresting and unhelpful BS, if we're being frank. But the severe lack of balance on the article doesn't seek an alternative opinion, except only to contradict. If they asked a single person on this website for a quote, they'd have gotten it.

"Despite her mum's efforts to get help from the NHS a series of errors meant she became lost in the system."
A series of errors? Sounds pretty much exactly what you'd expect out of basically all modern healthcare systems. People who get better are just regressing to the mean, the people who don't just get lost.

There's a rake of questions the article begs and none of it is touched. As Zizek says, "I am already eating from the trash can all the time. The name of this trash can is ideology."

It's a puff piece by a state broadcaster. It serves no purpose but to occupy space and be as inoffensive as possible to the broadest amount of readership. It is literally a piece of trash.

(I edited this to remove a misplaced line)

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

Life is indeed a prison. Even our loved ones don't want us to escape. I feel for people like Callie's mom who grieve for their lost family members and friends, but their anger is misplaced. Be upset at the societal institutions that allowed Callie's depression to fester and grow. If people are so depressed that they seek exit from the world, do not be upset with the exit. Be upset with the conditions in that world.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - SS has done more to keep me alive than any other societal resource. It is a community of supportive, compassionate, understanding people with whom I can speak openly about my situation without fear of involuntary commitment. The world needs SS and could in fact learn a lesson from it.

 

[Marktheghost]

'Without suicide forums, Callie might be alive' .

In other words, Without suicide forums, Callie might still be suffering.

 

[Sarahlynn]

"What we'd say to anyone who's struggling to cope is suicidal feelings are temporary. They may not feel it at the time but they will pass and there is support available. There is always another way."

Yeah, fuck off. I have asked for support for years. I have been suicidal for years. For some, this is not the reality.

And then she continues with: "I used to imagine her still alive at 90 surrounded by cats and cups of tea probably still saying she wanted to die."

You want her to live ~70 years with suicidal ideation, just because you don't understand being in so much pain that death seems the only way out. I normally don't wish harm on other people, but I truly wish for this woman to experience the problems people on this site goes through on a daily basis.

 

[lostangel]

They will never see it from our perspective. They are so ignorant and don't understand that the help isn't there.

 

[CarbonMonoxide]

Life is indeed a prison. Even our loved ones don't want us to escape. I feel for people like Callie's mom who grieve for their lost family members and friends, but their anger is misplaced. Be upset at the societal institutions that allowed Callie's depression to fester and grow. If people are so depressed that they seek exit from the world, do not be upset with the exit. Be upset with the conditions in that world.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - SS has done more to keep me alive than any other societal resource. It is a community of supportive, compassionate, understanding people with whom I can speak openly about my situation without fear of involuntary commitment. The world needs SS and could in fact learn a lesson from it.

I agree with this. SS has kept me alive for the year of my membership. I was literally on the cusp of hanging myself when I joined but I've managed to keep going because of the users on here. There's no other place in the world where you're supported regardless of your needs. If you need a method, they're here. If you need to vent and be supported, the users are here for you.

This is something that the "live at all costs" people fail to understand. The family members intention wasn't to help their daughter as much as it was to save themselves from heartbreak. It shows in their statements after the suicide. I feel sorry for them because they will never really know why they failed to "save" her.

You want her to live ~70 years with suicidal ideation, just because you don't understand being in so much pain that death seems the only way out. I normally don't wish harm on other people, but I truly wish for this woman to experience the problems people on this site goes through on a daily basis.

This sort of mentality makes me sick. They just put their own feelings first even after failing tragically to truly support their daughter.

 

[Joey]

They will never see it from our perspective. They are so ignorant and don't understand that the help isn't there.

#RattPack

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

The family members intention wasn't to help their daughter as much as it was to save themselves from heartbreak.

BINGO! That's exactly it. But they would never admit that.

 

[262653]

Oh, I thought you literally mean that someone commited sudoku in order to avoid the (human-made) prison. Oh well, to the article then.

"Without those forums, I think my daughter would have struggled to find the information that she was looking for about how to die," Sarah says.

Well at least she was honest

I find this interesting. Whoever wrote the article apparently used this... how to describe this kind of language that supposed to make a certain impression upon its readers. I don't know much about journalistic tricks but my intuition tells me they're all over the article. Like for example: "It wasn't until just over a month before her death that Callie started chatting with strangers in online suicide forums." Strangers is one of those words here. Like it's supposed to have a negative connotation to present the people she chatted with in a negative light.

Or: "According to her friend/mom/granddad/whatever, <the opinion that portrays the suicide and this site in a negative light>." Without the comment section it feels like a one-sided talk where the accused don't have a say. I don't know, this is just so frustrating.

 

[woxihuanni]

Oh, I thought you literally mean that someone commited sudoku in order to avoid the (human-made) prison. Oh well, to the article then.


Well at least she was honest

I find this interesting. Whoever wrote the article apparently used this... how to describe this kind of language that supposed to make a certain impression upon its readers. I don't know much about journalistic tricks but my intuition tells me they're all over the article. Like for example: "It wasn't until just over a month before her death that Callie started chatting with strangers in online suicide forums." Strangers is one of those words here. Like it's supposed to have a negative connotation to present the people she chatted with in a negative light.

Or: "According to her friend/mom/granddad/whatever, <the opinion that portrays the suicide and this side in a negative light>." Without the comment section it feels like a one-sided talk where the accused don't have a say. I don't know, this is just so frustrating.

Great point about subtle manipulation. Whenever I catch this, I see red.

 

[TAW122]

This is a very accurate analogy, we do indeed, live in a prison, called 'life'. We are (by what society, government, and the masses) considered escaped prisoners and they are always looking for ways to make escape more difficult, if not almost impossible to do so.

'Without suicide forums, Callie might still be alive'
The ideology is very striking here. What the 'truth' is is basically implied throughout the entire article and not brought into question most of the time.
That is 'Callie might still be alive' = 'good' is clear from the title
Reading the entire article, everything is stated as such.
Another quote:
"Without those forums, I think my daughter would have struggled to find the information that she was looking for about how to die," Sarah says.
It's implied that this is a bad thing. It's not brought into analysis at all. .

"What we'd say to anyone who's struggling to cope is suicidal feelings are temporary. They may not feel it at the time but they will pass and there is support available. There is always another way."
It's simply not true, I've wanted to end my life for over three years straight. There was not a single day where I didn't. And the so-called 'support' is uninteresting and unhelpful BS, if we're being frank. But the severe lack of balance on the article doesn't seek an alternative opinion, except only to contradict. If they asked a single person on this website for a quote, they'd have gotten it.

"Despite her mum's efforts to get help from the NHS a series of errors meant she became lost in the system."
A series of errors? Sounds pretty much exactly what you'd expect out of basically all modern healthcare systems. People who get better are just regressing to the mean, the people who don't just get lost.

There's a rake of questions the article begs and none of it is touched. As Zizek says, "I am already eating from the trash can all the time. The name of this trash can is ideology."

It's a puff piece by a state broadcaster. It serves no purpose but to occupy space and be as inoffensive as possible to the broadest amount of readership. It is literally a piece of trash.

(I edited this to remove a misplaced line)

I agree with you here, and sadly, this is one of the reasons that not only do I resent our world that we live in, but also a reason for wanting out (I've made emphasis on this in my manifesto).

'Without suicide forums, Callie might be alive' .

In other words, Without suicide forums, Callie might still be suffering.

Also, she may just find another way out, which may result in a greater chance of failure and/or more collateral damage towards unwilling participants.

"What we'd say to anyone who's struggling to cope is suicidal feelings are temporary. They may not feel it at the time but they will pass and there is support available. There is always another way."

Yeah, fuck off. I have asked for support for years. I have been suicidal for years. For some, this is not the reality.

And then she continues with: "I used to imagine her still alive at 90 surrounded by cats and cups of tea probably still saying she wanted to die."

You want her to live ~70 years with suicidal ideation, just because you don't understand being in so much pain that death seems the only way out. I normally don't wish harm on other people, but I truly wish for this woman to experience the problems people on this site goes through on a daily basis.

Absolutely. I hate it when people are so selfish and I too wish misery on her.

@Wisdom3_1-9 and @CarbonMonoxide I share similar sentiments as well and can relate too. I have joined SS almost 2 years ago (2 days after today would mark my 2nd anniversary of being a member on SS). I have found a place where I can speak openly and honestly about taboo topics, talk methods, and also find likeminded people who share common values and feel supported in this forum. There is no other place that I know of on the Internet where one is able to talk about these topics without censorship as well as methods in detail. I agree with you that Callie's family misplaced their anger and grievances. Instead the family should be angry at the shitty society that made Callie suicidal and also understand that not everyone is cut out for life nor enjoys life.

 

[VIBRITANNIA]

if the information wasn't on here, then she would've found it on some other place.

nobody here is telling people to commit suicide. we're just offering people the choice. removing forums like ss won't do anything to curb suicide rates. you know what will? addressing the issues that force people to commit suicide in the first place. better yet, preventing those issues/events from occuring.

they just want people to live for their own sake. they don't care about the other person's happiness, they only care about their own. even worse, they only care about being a 'good' person.

 

[TheQ22]

if the information wasn't on here, then she would've found it on some other place.

nobody here is telling people to commit suicide. we're just offering people the choice. removing forums like ss won't do anything to curb suicide rates. you know what will? addressing the issues that force people to commit suicide in the first place. better yet, preventing those issues/events from occuring.

they just want people to live for their own sake. they don't care about the other person's happiness, they only care about their own. even worse, they only care about being a 'good' person.

I would imagine that the vast majority of people who try never even know about this site, and I think it's better for people to be informed of the pitfalls and risks of each method than someone blindly making a hash of it and causing themselves serious damage by doing something wrong.

 

[BPD Barbie]

They will never see it from our perspective. They are so ignorant and don't understand that the help isn't there.

Even when the help is there, there are other factors to take into consideration. Help doesn't work for everyone, some people simply don't want to get better, some can't/are treatment resistant. It isn't just a feeling that comes and goes, once it's there, it's there and incredibly hard to get rid of. They will never understand. They will never even try to understand.

 

[LittleJem]

I really love what the psychiatrist in the documentary about Emily in Belgium who had an assisted death said....she said we cannot see the suffering or the illness, so we have to talk to people and ask them what it is like. Then Emily's mother who was so loving and accepting and just wanted to be there for her daughter. That is love and care. Not keeping someone alive in abject misery.

Fuck them.
Also - my family. They don't want me to kill myself - and they hardly call me!