Discussion Possible to survive SN WITHOUT being found/calling emergencies?

[NerdyNihilist]

Has anyone here, by any chance, failed SN even without being discovered or calling the emergencies?
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be the first or last time this has happened to someone. (I really hope I'm mistaken, though...)
If I happen to wake up in my own bed after such an attempt, would I still be able to recover from this without treatment? I wouldn't mind a bit of pain, as long as it's not permanent.

Your thoughts would be highly appreciated.

 

[LegaliseIt!]

Seek help before attempting to CTB. This is a very toxic substance. There is no coming back.

The result of ingesting SN is methemoglobinemia. If you read the SN resources thread, you will experience all of the symptoms that are listed. Read the thread about "Funkygibbon" (might be "funkygibbon")

You can also google "untreated methemoglobinemia"

If you resume consciousness, and you are not found, and you are afraid to seek help, you will simply continue the symptoms, including cardiac arrest and resuscitation

If you have changed your mind about dying, you must call EMERGENCY HELP, as cardiac arrest is still possible for a long period into methemoglobinemia. You must tell EMS that you have Nitrite Poisoning and require Methylene Blue Stat, High volume O2, and possibly an exchange Transfusion. SN poisoning is not easily reversed.

Please be safe and talk to someone you trust before acting impulsively. Peace and kindness.

 

[Ark]

Well said @LegaliseIt!

If you vomit and do not have another dose then it is RECOMMENDED to try to continue to expel as much as possible and get help so you don't suffer for who knows how many hours with an unknown ending. SN has a VERY high success rate IF done properly! Please read @Stan guide and pay attention to all the details if you are absolutely sure of wanting to CTB, and wanting to CTB with SN.

 

[MeltingHeart]

If you resume consciousness, and you are not found, and you are afraid to seek help, you will simply continue the symptoms, including cardiac arrest and resuscitation

did you mean to say-resuscitation here? thats not a symptom?

 

[BlueWidow]

Well said @LegaliseIt!

If you vomit and do not have another dose then it is RECOMMENDED to try to continue to expel as much as possible and get help so you don't suffer for who knows how many hours with an unknown ending. SN has a VERY high success rate IF done properly! Please read @Stan guide and pay attention to all the details if you are absolutely sure of wanting to CTB, and wanting to CTB with SN.

@Stan was the go-to guy for all SN questions. We owe him a huge debt for leaving us with a very knowledgeable thread on the subject.
I think he tried to a answer almost any question people could think of in his SN thread.

 

[ThingWithFeathers]

The ones who died ingested an excessive amount which is almost always fatal but people do fail, whether you believe in miracle or not. I don't, but life happens. And those who fail are sometimes coy about telling it.

You may fail if you puke it out, which is likely because it is uncomfortably unpalatable. Your survival instinct may also force you to puke. This salt impairs oxygen delivery function of blood (methemoglobinemia) hence it results in hypoxia (lack of oxygen supply to the tissues). For death to occur, more than 70% of your red blood cells must be damaged. And this is the point where the math can make it horrible for you.

The body has enzymes to fight/reduce methemoglobinemia. At around 10% level you may feel headache, dizziness, fatigue or shortness of breath and your skin may turn blue/gray which may scare you to abort your attempt and call for help, at about 50% your mental state will be altered as well so it will also cause dread, at about 70% you may experience seizure or coma. And this is where it can go very problematic for you. If somehow you don't die, the damage to the brain cannot be undone. Cerebral hypoxia can leave you brain damaged for life. If the coma sets in then no one knows when you'll wake up.

The problem is more unpredictable if you have known or unknown medical conditions related to heart/lungs and specifically to blood like anemia, sepsis or oddly shaped RBC (like sickle cells).

Some people may be very enthusiastic about SN but the ones who are in coma aren't gonna type a response to this thread. Not trying to dissuade or persuade you to do anything or nothing. Just sharing knowledge with you so that you can make informed and wiser decisions. Only a doctor, pharmacist or toxicologist is qualified enough to speak with authority. And I don't know if any of those SN enthusiasts are health care professionals. If SN was so fail-proof and painless and easy, then the US government would have been using it for capital punishment. They use other very heavily restricted advanced and expensive drugs which also fail sometimes. Keep in mind that this website doesn't encourage or aid in attempting or completing suicide. It's your body, your life, your choice. Use the knowledge rationally. *hugs*

 

[Guizin239]

@Stan was the go-to guy for all SN questions. We owe him a huge debt for leaving us with a very knowledgeable thread on the subject.
I think he tried to a answer almost any question people could think of in his SN thread.

did stan pass away?

 

[ThingWithFeathers]

did stan pass away?

Yes, today. Search "Frank Sinatra" in the search box.

 

[EBEN30]

As Stan would have said before parting us, if you follow the instructions there is very little to no chance of you ever coming back.

Obviously the only way this would happen is:

1) You didn't follow the instructions (which they're not complicated so shouldn't be an issue)
2) You are discovered very early into the attempt

Really 2 is the only reason for concern but unless people know what you've taken chances are you'd still pass on anyway and all you'd have to do to rule this out is to ensure that you're in a place where you wont be disturbed and there's little chance of anyone finding you.

As @LegaliseIt! has already said SN is so toxic that even if you're found it does not mean you are guaranteed to be saved so you have to be 100% certain before you go through with this.

I often feel that the people who post this question are being overly anxious, which is understandable, I get that people are going to ask the 'WHAT IF'S' but this is like saying 'what if a plane fell out of the sky and crashed into my house'while possible it is SO UNLIKELY.

If you've followed the instructions and can not be disturbed, you're almost certain to pass away, it will work SN is such a toxic substance you can't ingest the amount suggested and be 'ok' from it, unless you're found and they know what you've taken, so if this is something you want to do ensure that there's little possibility of anyone finding you and remember on the 'off chance' that they do even though you've taken every precaution under the sun, there's no guarantee you'll be saved.

 

[Daniela]

If I remember correctly, one member vomited because he drank alcohol beforehand and had no antiemetics. He didn't call an ambulance. He reported he had blue fingers for a while afterwards and that he vomited a lot.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/taking-sn-tonight.19977/

 

[LegaliseIt!]

Yes, I was conflating two different things—the list of symptoms and the only SN failure event post that I read of (funkygibbon took SN and went outside for a cigarette—ended up in cardiac arrest and was resuscitated). Thank you for pointing out that I was babbling!

 

[Reallyreallyreally]

The ones who died ingested an excessive amount which is almost always fatal but people do fail, whether you believe in miracle or not. I don't, but life happens. And those who fail are sometimes coy about telling it.

You may fail if you puke it out, which is likely because it is uncomfortably unpalatable. Your survival instinct may also force you to puke. This salt impairs oxygen delivery function of blood (methemoglobinemia) hence it results in hypoxia (lack of oxygen supply to the tissues). For death to occur, more than 70% of your red blood cells must be damaged. And this is the point where the math can make it horrible for you.

The body has enzymes to fight/reduce methemoglobinemia. At around 10% level you may feel headache, dizziness, fatigue or shortness of breath and your skin may turn blue/gray which may scare you to abort your attempt and call for help, at about 50% your mental state will be altered as well so it will also cause dread, at about 70% you may experience seizure or coma. And this is where it can go very problematic for you. If somehow you don't die, the damage to the brain cannot be undone. Cerebral hypoxia can leave you brain damaged for life. If the coma sets in then no one knows when you'll wake up.

The problem is more unpredictable if you have known or unknown medical conditions related to heart/lungs and specifically to blood like anemia, sepsis or oddly shaped RBC (like sickle cells).

Some people may be very enthusiastic about SN but the ones who are in coma aren't gonna type a response to this thread. Not trying to dissuade or persuade you to do anything or nothing. Just sharing knowledge with you so that you can make informed and wiser decisions. Only a doctor, pharmacist or toxicologist is qualified enough to speak with authority. And I don't know if any of those SN enthusiasts are health care professionals. If SN was so fail-proof and painless and easy, then the US government would have been using it for capital punishment. They use other very heavily restricted advanced and expensive drugs which also fail sometimes. Keep in mind that this website doesn't encourage or aid in attempting or completing suicide. It's your body, your life, your choice. Use the knowledge rationally. *hugs*

Thank you! This is what I was looking for. I didn't want to jump in naively, and fail proof sounded too good to be true. It sounds like nitrogen may still be the way to go. Thank you

 

[hadenough]

Two people have reported recovering from SN without the involvement of emergency services:

Mich517: 20g in 100ml DMSO, vomited a lot, similar to partial hanging, vision affected, felt like passing out, convulsions, hands shaking, fell as stood up, not fully conscious, slept it off, no pain, nausea.

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal.

I cannot be absolutely sure of the facts about these cases, this is just what they have reported.These seem to be exceptions and the second example only took a small amount. I would not like you to put off calling emergency services in the belief that you can get over it on your own because that seems to be extremely rare.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Two people have reported recovering from SN without the involvement of emergency services:

Mich517: 20g in 100ml DMSO, vomited a lot, similar to partial hanging, vision affected, felt like passing out, convulsions, hands shaking, fell as stood up, not fully conscious, slept it off, no pain, nausea.

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal.

I cannot be absolutely sure of the facts about these cases, this is just what they have reported.These seem to be exceptions and the second example only took a small amount. I would not like you to put off calling emergency services in the belief that you can get over it on your own because that seems to be extremely rare.

Just to clarify, 3 teaspoons is approximately the same as a tablespoon, which is close to 25g. Seems both posters were a bit shy of 25g but not by much.

 

[Ghost2211]

If done correctly there should be minimal to no chance of survival.

 

[JSauter]

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal.

Well, that's disheartening

 

[NerdyNihilist]

Great to see this thread is still getting replies. I hope this could be as helpful to other people who are also considering SN as their method for CTB. It sure gave me a better insight.

Thank you all for contributing!

 

[Terminally ill]

Well, that's disheartening

Just to clarify, 3 teaspoons is approximately the same as a tablespoon, which is close to 25g. Seems both posters were a bit shy of 25g but not by much.

Vomited 3 hours after taking it?Shouldnt the person have been dead by then? What is the explanation for this?

 

[jgm63]

Vomited 3 hours after taking it?Shouldnt the person have been dead by then? What is the explanation for this?

You've been given a link to the spreadsheets where these cases are documented.
Do you still have that link, or shall I post it again ?
Why not try and have a read for yourself ?

It doesn't sound like they followed the protocol very closely....

Some posts from the thread :
"About to take 3 benzo's and and a beer. Then i'll get 100ml of cold water with 3 teaspoons of sn take it all in shot glasses."
"I'm already drunk hopefully that helps i can lay down and be out like a rock in seconds."
"I mixed in some tabasco and im sippin"
"Hot sauce helps me with nausea."
"F this its to damn salty. Rather drink vodka straight. Maybe i drunk enough to get the job done."
"No. Doubt i took enough. Going to sleep hope i dont wake up."

So :
No antiemetic taken.
No antacid.
Not known if they fasted.
Was drinking alcohol.
Used 100ml water instead of 50ml.
Maybe didn't drink full amount.

It seems they later had another attempt, and succeeded :

Spoiler: trying-sn-tonight

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/trying-sn-tonight.23785/

 

[Terminally ill]

You've been given a link to the spreadsheets where these cases are documented.
Do you still have that link, or shall I post it again ?
Why not try and have a read for yourself ?

It doesn't sound like they followed the protocol very well....

Some posts from the thread :
"About to take 3 benzo's and and a beer. Then i'll get 100ml of cold water with 3 teaspoons of sn take it all in shot glasses."
"I'm already drunk hopefully that helps i can lay down and be out like a rock in seconds."
"I mixed in some tabasco and im sippin"
"Hot sauce helps me with nausea."
"F this its to damn salty. Rather drink vodka straight. Maybe i drunk enough to get the job done."
"No. Doubt i took enough. Going to sleep hope i dont wake up."

So :
No antiemetic taken.
No antacid.
Not known if they fasted.
Was drinking alcohol.
Used 100ml water instead of 50ml.
Maybe didn't drink full amount.

It seems they later had another try, and succeeded :

Spoiler: trying-sn-tonight

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/trying-sn-tonight.23785/

Yes, I have the cases opened on my PC. But the regimen is that u avoid vomiting and he only vomited after 3 hours, that is what I dont understand. In that amount of time he should have been dead theoretically. He also took about 17 grams which is way over the leathal dose. And mixing with alcohol and too much water would be also to avoid vomitiong which didnt happen after ingesting. Good that he found his peace with the second try though.

 

[jgm63]

Yes, I have the cases opened on my PC. But the regimen is that u avoid vomiting and he only vomited after 3 hours, that is what I dont understand. In that amount of time he should have been dead theoretically. He also took about 17 grams which is way over the leathal dose. And mixing with alcohol and too much water would be also to avoid vomitiong which didnt happen after ingesting. Good that he found his peace with the second try though.

I would say the biggest factor is that they were drinking alcohol.
On the thread of that attempt, someone posted this :

Spoiler: post-375402

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/taking-sn-tonight.19977/post-375402

So I repeat --> It doesn't sound like they followed the protocol very closely....

Plus you have these quotes :
"Maybe i drunk enough to get the job done."
"Doubt i took enough."

So I'm not too sure if we actually know how much they took.
But even if we do, the alcohol point above still stands as a pretty major issue....
You are supposed to fast and have an empty stomach.

I also took a quick look at the @Mich517 case....

Some comments from the thread, plus some later comments from that member :
"I've decided to ingest 20g of SN dissolved in 100ml of DMSO."
"I have a little headache now, because a few hours earlier I ate a lot of crisps."
"I vomited. I don't know how much I have that in my stomach now, but I think that much of them has been puked."
"I had to throw up right after drinking Sodium Nitrite (dissolved in DMSO)"
"I didn't take any anti-emetics, I thought that DMSO do the job. I don't feel any damage now. My attempt was about 1-2 months ago."

So :
No antiemetic taken.
No antacid.
They didn't fast.
Used DMSO instead of water.

So again, they didn't follow the protocol very closely....

Also, they vomited almost immediately (so very little chance for absorption), and didn't drink any more....

For people who closely followed the protocol, it seems the only failures are the ones where they were found or called an ambulance themselves....

 

[Terminally ill]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-what-really-happens-if-you-get-found.27585/post-498878

In this thread, ThingWithFeathers explains some medical scientific stuff that most of us using SN dont want to hear

 

[jgm63]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-what-really-happens-if-you-get-found.27585/post-498878

In this thread, ThingWithFeathers explains some medical scientific stuff that most of us using SN dont want to hear

I must confess, I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps you are trying to influence people to not use the SN method....

 

[Terminally ill]

I must confess, I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps you are trying to influence people to not use the SN method....

No, I am just paranoid and try to look at things without a confirmation bias attitude just because I am desperate.

 

[jgm63]

No, I am just paranoid and try to look at things without a confirmation bias attitude just because I am desperate.

ok, well at present I don't believe we're aware of specific cases from this site where someone has survived and had lasting serious damage from SN.
If such cases were reported we would still need to try to confirm that they were not fabricated by someone wanting to discredit the SN method.
It's likely that everything has some level of possible risk, especially with things of this nature.
And all methods will have plus and minus points.
So I guess you just have to try to weigh things up for yourself.

I fully support the continued quest for data and sound analysis, so I'm not trying to "shut the discussion down".

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

@Stan was the go-to guy for all SN questions. We owe him a huge debt for leaving us with a very knowledgeable thread on the subject.
I think he tried to a answer almost any question people could think of in his SN thread.

Did Stan die I assume? Can anyone confirm?

If he did I hope it was peaceful

 

[jgm63]

Did Stan die I assume? Can anyone confirm?

If he did I hope it was peaceful

This thread should tell you what you need to know :

Spoiler: can-anyone-hear-frank-sinatra

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/can-anyone-hear-frank-sinatra.27430/

 

[Defenestrator]

You've been given a link to the spreadsheets where these cases are documented.
Do you still have that link, or shall I post it again ?
Why not try and have a read for yourself ?

It doesn't sound like they followed the protocol very closely....

Some posts from the thread :
"About to take 3 benzo's and and a beer. Then i'll get 100ml of cold water with 3 teaspoons of sn take it all in shot glasses."
"I'm already drunk hopefully that helps i can lay down and be out like a rock in seconds."
"I mixed in some tabasco and im sippin"
"Hot sauce helps me with nausea."
"F this its to damn salty. Rather drink vodka straight. Maybe i drunk enough to get the job done."
"No. Doubt i took enough. Going to sleep hope i dont wake up."

So :
No antiemetic taken.
No antacid.
Not known if they fasted.
Was drinking alcohol.
Used 100ml water instead of 50ml.
Maybe didn't drink full amount.

It seems they later had another attempt, and succeeded :

Spoiler: trying-sn-tonight

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/trying-sn-tonight.23785/

Also noticed he said TEAspoons, not TABLEspoons. That's a considerable difference.

To expand - a TEASPOON is just under 5g.

 

[jgm63]

Also noticed he said TEAspoons, not TABLEspoons. That's a considerable difference.

To expand - a TEASPOON is just under 5g.

A teaspoon is about 5ml, and SN is about 2g per ml, so a teaspoon of SN is about 10g.
And 3 teaspoons (= 1 tablespoon) of SN is about 30g.

 

[Defenestrator]

Also, I don't know if it varies around the world but here in the UK a teaspoon is actually just under 4g - I mean, ymmv but it's probably safer to go with tablespoons which are around 15g per a heaped spoonful.

A teaspoon is about 5ml, and SN is about 2g per ml, so a teaspoon of SN is about 10g.
And 3 teaspoons (= 1 tablespoon) of SN is about 30g.

Personally? I'd weigh the stuff with scales - I find this spoon nonsense a bit too vague imo.
I get that not everyone can be exact, or have access to scales but if you really want this to succeed it's better to use it in excess than not enough and have it go balls up.