Porn and Christianity

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

This is probably gong to start a debate, but its really been on my mind
I have recently gotten in contact with some good friends of mine who are close to God. I dont mind this and find it enlightening and a way for me grow and learn about life. Though, one thing that seems to be consistent is that it is sinful to indulge porn/masturbation. I'm conflicted because I do look at porn from time to time. its probably not healthy, though I mostly feel bad in that if I become close to God I'll have to give it up entirely. I am aware the porn industry is filled with a lot of abuse and corruption however. I dunno I feel like I am having a crisis

 

[Blue LIPS]

You'll grow hair on your palms, don't do it


Lol wouldn't your God want you to be happy or less stressed? At least you're not out having sex unprotected with who knows what.

 

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

You'll grow hair on your palms, don't do it


Lol wouldn't your God want you to be happy or less stressed? At least you're not out having sex unprotected with who knows what.

Loved the first part lol. And yeah true. Tough I do struggle with temptation, I remind myself that, with my mental illnesses, having sex can make my life so much worse.

 

[Blue LIPS]

Loved the first part lol. And yeah true. Tough I do struggle with temptation, I remind myself that, with my mental illnesses, having sex can make my life so much worse.

Haha well good :)

Idk many people these days do things that "God" wouldn't want... tattoos, cutting, sex before marriage, piercings etc. I just think as long as you're wholesome and not out doing harm to others, who cares if you masturbate? Yeah porn might be a product of some abuse of others, not all, it's still going to be there regardless if you watch it or not.

 

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

Haha well good :)

Idk many people these days do things that "God" wouldn't want... tattoos, cutting, sex before marriage, piercings etc. I just think as long as you're wholesome and not out doing harm to others, who cares if you masturbate? Yeah porn might be a product of some abuse of others, not all, it's still going to be there regardless if you watch it or not.

I feel similarly

 

[Blue LIPS]

I feel similarly

Then go have fun :) lol. "If you don't use it, you lose it..." haha jk :P try not to take some readings so literal either, things were different back then as well.

I'm a Satanist soooo technically I'm giving you advice of the Devil, so to speak lol. The Bible to me for someone who is Christian, or whatever that person identifies as, is more like an overall basis of how you should live your life... but you can always deviate within reason as it is ultimately how YOU interpret such readings.

 

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

Then go have fun :) lol. "If you don't use it, you lose it..." haha jk :P try not to take some readings so literal either, things were different back then as well.

I'm a Satanist soooo technically I'm giving you advice of the Devil, so to speak lol. The Bible to me for someone who is Christian, or whatever that person identifies as, is more like an overall basis of how you should live your life... but you can always deviate within reason as it is ultimately how YOU interpret such readings.

You seem to have a nice perspective. The way I see the Bible is that its a book thta can guide you and provide to you lessons on how to live your life.

 

[Blue LIPS]

You seem to have a nice perspective. The way I see the Bible is that its a book thta can guide you and provide to you lessons on how to live your life.

Thank you

I feel the same way for anyone, including myself on my particular readings. Nobody is perfect, so why be hard on yourself for not following something to perfection?

And idk what you think of Satanists, but they simply put themselves above all and live by rules that are overall for the greater good of people with acts of compassion and empathy of all living creatures.

If I may show you our tenets :) and no, most of us don't actually worship the "Devil" as I am an Atheist. A lot of people get the wrong idea I believe.

I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

 

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

I skimmed through them
I always thought satanists workshop Satan, however form you how describe it seems to be different. Though in that case, why is it called Satanism?

 

[Blue LIPS]

I skimmed through them
I always thought satanists workshop Satan, however form you how describe it seems to be different. Though in that case, why is it called Satanism?

I figured lol.

Mainly because it's simply the opposite of God in symbolic form. What else would be the opposite of God? Team Blue and Red. The "Devil" was outed of Heaven only to be the revolting force against "God". There aren't blood rituals (some might) or sacrifices made to the "Devil"... it's just simply putting the power of "God" within YOURSELF, giving credit/power to you for accomplishments or ability to change circumstances for the best interest of everyone.

 

[DeathIsTheWayOut99]

I figured lol.

Mainly because it's simply the opposite of God in symbolic form. What else would be the opposite of God? Team Blue and Red. The "Devil" was outed of Heaven only to be the revolting force against "God". There aren't blood rituals (some might) or sacrifices made to the "Devil"... it's just simply putting the power of "God" within YOURSELF, giving credit/power to you for accomplishments or ability to change circumstances for the best interest of everyone.

This sounds like something up my alley

 

[Blue LIPS]

This sounds like something up my alley

Just look into it and make the decision for yourself.

Anton LaVey is a start. LaVeyan Satanism. Or The Satanic Temple, pretty much based on Anton's "structure". Hail Satan? is a pretty good documentary on Hulu (free). Some will say worshipping "Satan" is just to be edgy and stand out. I look upon Baphomet and prefer the Left Hand Path. "As above, So below"
And by the way, the upside down cross isn't anything "Satanic", St. Peter didn't feel worthy to be crucified as Jesus was and did so inverted. Just another "fuck you" being used pretty much lol.

Just don't make your decisions based on what I say, create your own that fit what you want to be, within reason (tenets for guidance overall) pretty much. Hope you enjoy the rest of your day/night :)

 

[Eren]

I am not a believer, but in my opinion, if there was a creative and personal God who cares about us, I don't think she/he cared too much if we watched porn or not, she/he would worry about whether we were happy or not.

You are obviously free to believe in whatever you want and to watch/not watch porn if you think it conflicts with your beliefs. But I know people who believe in God and call themselves Christian and follow a different lifestyle than most Christians, it is not because of hypocrisy (they do not judge others) they simply take it more as a philosophy of life.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'm agnostic so I decided long ago that if God really didn't want me to masturbate, He would have either made it impossible/unrewarding to do so, or he would have made it much easier for me to find other ways to relieve the biological urges He gave me that I literally can not control.

 

[Blue LIPS]

Fun fact:

Sinistra is Latin for "Left"

The "left" side of Rome was filled with the oppressed, poor, sick and dead. Most people are right handed, giving dominance to the "right", whereas the "left" hand is seen as weaker.

Eventually/Nowadays, it took on the title of "Sinister" "Evil" or "Unlucky".

 

[Homecoming]

This is probably gong to start a debate, but its really been on my mind
I have recently gotten in contact with some good friends of mine who are close to God. I dont mind this and find it enlightening and a way for me grow and learn about life. Though, one thing that seems to be consistent is that it is sinful to indulge porn/masturbation. I'm conflicted because I do look at porn from time to time. its probably not healthy, though I mostly feel bad in that if I become close to God I'll have to give it up entirely. I am aware the porn industry is filled with a lot of abuse and corruption however. I dunno I feel like I am having a crisis

People who still believes "God" and "religion" and the word "sin" in 2020 can't perceive what's beyond the veil (other side)

 

[SoIntoYou]

I masturbate 0-6 times a day (it varies) and I'm one of the most spiritual, kind hearted people in the world (not to brag, I just feel that way).

 

[Deleted member 17949]

Don't believe in god

 

[Mm80]

You never know, the good lord may like to watch a bit of porn himself in his spare time.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Who says you can't have both?

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I was raised a Catholic. No sex before marriage. No contraception. No abortion. Oh ffs get real and grow up. We are animals. We have sex. We fuck just like every other sexual creature. There is bugger all wrong with that.
However, that's where it gets complicated.
Theoretically, in an enlightened society, porn and prostitution should be acceptable and legal. The reality however is somewhat different. There is so much exploitation and abuse in the porn industry, which leads to all manner of mental issues for those involved. It may be cool cuz in principle, but in practice it creates much suffering.
There is nothing wrong with the need to use porn but a lot of it (though not all) is at the expense of the well-being of those involved.
That's just the harsh reality of a supply and demand economy.

 

[Pupuce]

According to the bible, god created you flawed and punish you for that. He killed all the egyptian first born because the ruler was stubborn. He nearly wiped out all living beings because they didn't believe in him. This guy is the definition of an asshole. Why do people even bother trying to get close to him. That's Stockholm syndrome at its finest.

 

[waterbottleman]

I don't mean to offend believers but it's perplexing to me how people can actually be convinced that a god exists, specifically one that has a religious text and cares about human affairs.

There are various inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible. If you read about the history of Christianity you will discover that the Bible that is currently used today was constructed about 600 years after Jesus died. Before then various Christian groups argued/killed each other over which texts were holy and which weren't (a lot of religious texts didn't make it into the bible).

In addition you can learn about the documentary hypothesis which points out that the Torah was not written by Moses but in fact the Torah was actually written by multiple writers spanning over hundreds of years.

I've always wondered if people who say they believe in god actually believe it. What do they mean by "believe" anyways?

Isn't it obvious that we have no fucking idea how the universe began and that the Bible/hell all religions are just made up by people and that's why these religions are changing all the time? They aren't holy, they aren't special. The Bible isn't even a good/relevant book to the world anymore which is why more Christians spend their time watching football every sunday than attending church, why more and more Christians have never even read the bible and know nothing about their own religion.

I've always thought, even when I was a kid that religion is bizarre because billions believe it and yet it is so obviously a delusion.

 

[Lupgevif]

I'd personally stay away from both. But it's your call. The less porn you look at the better. Masturbation is healthy, as long as it's not in excess. I don't agree with how christianity forbids it.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I remember a long time ago I saw a source from somebody claiming to be a sexual health doctor. They said that masturbation is totally healthy but the type of porn used matters. What it boiled down to was that any method that forces you to use your imagination more (like pure fantasy or non-visual erotic literature) was healthier to use than traditional porn videos. I wonder what he would have thought about drawn porn like static hentai images or comics. Don't take this wisdom to heart though since I really can't remember where I saw this.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Thank you

I feel the same way for anyone, including myself on my particular readings. Nobody is perfect, so why be hard on yourself for not following something to perfection?

And idk what you think of Satanists, but they simply put themselves above all and live by rules that are overall for the greater good of people with acts of compassion and empathy of all living creatures.

If I may show you our tenets :) and no, most of us don't actually worship the "Devil" as I am an Atheist. A lot of people get the wrong idea I believe.

I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

sounds very interesting. If I had more than 37 days left, I would come to you for class

 

[Wayfaerer]

Christians who watch pornography are hypocritical (which is what I'd expect.)

 

[FohPah]

God apparently thinks promiscuity and homosexuality are sinful. That alone prevents me from taking anything he says about human sexuality seriously.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

What's this? A thread about porn and religion?

*puts on the boxing gloves and punches the air*

Okay, let's do this!

Though, one thing that seems to be consistent is that it is sinful to indulge porn/masturbation. I'm conflicted because I do look at porn from time to time. its probably not healthy, though I mostly feel bad in that if I become close to God I'll have to give it up entirely.

Interesting thing about masturbation, as far as I can tell, it isn't condemned anywhere in the Bible whatsoever. As for looking at porn, I can see how that might seem like a bad thing if you think lust is a sin, but the thing to remember is that lust is a bit different than looking at a person and thinking they are attractive. It's really an obsession more than anything, which can be unhealthy and dangerous if it gets out of control. Indulging in porn on occasion, in my opinion, doesn't count as lust because it's only natural for people to become curious and most of us just have those urges. Based on that, I wouldn't say you necessarily have to give it up entirely for the god you believe in since it likely wouldn't be considered a sin unless it turned into an addiction and consumed your life.

I am aware the porn industry is filled with a lot of abuse and corruption however. I dunno I feel like I am having a crisis

This is an unfortunate thing that actually happens and I wish it didn't. The biggest reason why the abuse exists is because of greed and the fact that most people are assholes anyway. Supporting porn as an industry in any form is probably not a good idea, regardless of religious beliefs, but that doesn't mean you have to avoid it completely. Sometimes amateur porn can be just as enjoyable and it doesn't involve a greedy CEO making all the decisions behind the scenes. There is also a lot of good artwork out there that people draw and share online that could cater to whatever it is that you like. I've met a few good artists on Discord and other places, so I have a good idea of what is there.

Even though I personally don't share your religious beliefs, I do think that if you enjoy it in moderation and avoid supporting unethical behavior within the industry, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. You can still adhere to your ideals, without having to give up on something that helps you relax at the end of the day.