DarkRange55

DarkRange55

Where in the world is John Galt? 🥞
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Politicians plan years and even decades out. Maybe the rich senator on TV doesn't know how to read. But the people at the think tanks that literally write the policy are always scheming for themselves and their friends' interests… just not yours. 😊
 
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I don't think most of them are inherently evil either. I just think they are selfish and don't care. They aren't so much going out of their way to hurt you, they just go out of their way to help themselves and don't give a shit if they do hurt you in the process.
 
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I don't think most of them are inherently evil either. I just think they are selfish and don't care. They aren't so much going out of their way to hurt you, they just go out of their way to help themselves and don't give a shit if they do hurt you in the process.
I think that is evil though. They are elected to represent a group of people. Doing the exact opposite is evil. To me anyway.
 
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I don't think most of them are inherently evil either. I just think they are selfish and don't care. They aren't so much going out of their way to hurt you, they just go out of their way to help themselves and don't give a shit if they do hurt you in the process.

But- they're aware of the damage they do. So- I tend to agree with @itsgone2 - that makes (some of them) bad, or evil- if we're talking some of the dictators.

I find that kind of interesting in the courts sometimes. That a manslaughter charge would sometimes seem the most appropriate. Say someone runs a parachuting school with faulty equipment. They likely didn't wake up that morning and think- I'm going to kill Mr. Jones today. However- they let their students jump knowing full well the equipment had a likelihood of failing. I imagine the courts would be keen to prove that the school knew the chutes were faulty and they knew falling from that height with a faulty chute would cause death. So- I imagine some degree of murder charge would be brought.

Same goes for politics. As DarkRange pointed out- politicians aren't stupid. They surely get scientists, healthcare professionals, analysts involved to figure out how their policies might affect real people. So- they make those choices knowingly.

Some of our UK MP's were caught ordering faulty PPE during the covid crisis at the cost of millions- possibly over a billion to the tax payer- from their mates. Ok- maybe their buddies defrauded them (or, us.) Maybe they couldn't be expected to know what was good or bad but- eventually they were told and- it seems, sometimes ignored professional advice.

So- what should we make of that? Surely- that they were willing to risk the lives of healthcare workers to help out themselves and their mates. That's risking other people's lives for money and reputation. Doesn't that look like an evil equation? Human life vs. profit and reputation. It seems utterly callous to me!

Another of our MP's called homelessness a 'lifestyle choice'. Maybe you could call that being out of touch but again- it displays a total indifference- worse- a kind of endorsement that some people should live on the streets and it's fine that they do- because they chose it. I don't believe anyone can truly believe that anyway. It's just a callous and dismissive remark by the very person who should care for and be supporting all of their constituents.

Maybe we all believe things we know aren't true because it's easier. This plastic crap I'm throwing away will be reincarnated over and over with no damage to the envoronment. We kind of know it's crap though. I'm sure politicians do even more, because they have an even deeper knowledge of what goes on. To not give a shit about the plight of others is kind of bad. To actually enable the plight of others- is evil- surely? IF there are better choices and I'm sure there likely are sometimes. I imagine they are more lead by power and money though. (Some of them, anyway.)
 
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They surely get scientists, healthcare professionals, analysts involved to figure out how their policies might affect real people.
I hate to be super jaded, but lobbyists make the biggest impact. And they don't care about the greater good.
 
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Forever Sleep

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I hate to be super jaded, but lobbyists make the biggest impact. And they don't care about the greater good.

I'd like to hope that at least some working in politics do care about people. But then- just the responsibility of it puzzles me. I'd hate to be making difficult decisions that impact the lives of others. I'm kind of astounded at their confidence. Just why they would even want that responsibility baffles me but, I guess it is for the power and to advance their careers. Or hopefully, a social conscience and feeling they could make positive changes.

I just find it depressing to be honest. Not that I likely would like living off grid but, I do see the appeal of living in very small communities where people do actually feel responsible for one another. There again- it would probably be all the problems of a big society on a smaller scale. Power hungry people, those who backstab, those who cheat or won't pull their weight. It's all people at the end of the day- I suppose.
 
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I think you are right. Way too many people dismiss politicians as being stupid.

Literally, all of them are careerists. Also the ones who pretend to be altruistic. You need a huge ego to tank all the hatred. These people ruin their health (look poor Bibi was again hospitalized this year...let's all pray that he gets better...). I am not sure whether all politicians are completely evil it might depend. Bad people probably. It is a hard métier you have to stab your closest allies in the back in case this helps you. If one says all of them are evil this more or less creates the illusion that all of them would be almost equally bad. And I think people like Netanjahu, Putin and Hitler deserve this label more than some other politicians.

I tend to think (and many in my country think the same) the most qualified and competent people tend to stay out of politics and that's an issue. In some countries there are family dynasties gladly in Germany that's rather uncommon. But there is a discussion that people from academia are way too overrepresented in politics. And especially even people with no degree. They wasted their time to further their party career in politics instead of earning real qualitifications. There is also a lot of harrassment of local politicians. Deep fake nudes. Families are destroyed. The people don't have time for family and friends. Only a small group of people is still interested in this profession And probably the wrong people. The hyper capitalistic system in the 21st century is not designed to produce good politicians. The incentive structures are way too distorted. It also has to do with the short attention spans of so many voters.
 
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I'm not defending those who are hurting others through negligence or by not caring and being selfish... I'm just saying I don't classify it as "evil" in the same way I would a person purposefully hurting people as the point.

That's why we do have charges like manslaughter vs murder. Murder requires planning and intention... manslaughter comes from negligence or you should have paid more attention but you didn't willfully intend to kill someone.

I agree politicians should be better... but at the same time... people voted for them, usually knowing they were not going to do a good job. People vote for their side against the other even when they know their candidates aren't good either. It's hard not to blame the people for consistently voting FOR bad candidates.

Congress traditionally has a very low (barely double digits sometimes) approval rating most of the time... and yet each state's representatives usually get re-elected. How do you justify that? Dude is failing his country and everyone recognizes it but the state he represents who loves him... and each state has at least one representative that fits that bill.

At this point I can't blame politicians for being selfish and not giving a shit when the voters are also selfish and don't give a shit and keep voting for incompetent or selfish people. If the politicians are evil for their actions, then voters are similarly evil for continuing to vote for the same people over and over.

But I reserve "evil" as a label for the ones who set out to harm on purpose, whether they gain from it or not, when the harm is the goal... that's evil to me. Everything else is just disappointing horrible people doing bad things.
 
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