Discussion Planning to ctb this monday, What do you all think of the afterlife? Has anyone experienced a Near Death Experience?

[Booman]

I hate my body, face, and brain. All I can think about is rerolling life. The west is brutal and my stats are low.
With that being said, I'm planning to go out via hanging.

I've been looking into NDEs on youtube an such and most appear to say the same message being that the body is a vessel for your consciousness and once the body can't carry this consciousness you venture off into a tunnel with a light at the end.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

I've looked into NDE's as well. It's usually pretty interesting stuff.

Wishing you relief and peace, keep us updated if you'd like.<3

 

[ham and potatoes]

ive read and seen allot of thing on near death experiences.
there are lots of them on youtube, but i find the site im going to link below fascinating.
It was created by a medical doctor who has since wriiten allot about NDEs, and the site has compiled thousand of near death experiences going back years and years
i am in no way associated with that site, or trying to promote it, i just find it fascinating how much allot of these experiences, from thousands of miles and decades apart have in common.
really makes you wonder
https://www.nderf.org/

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't believe in such, I believe death to simply be nothing more than an dreamless, eternal sleep where all is forgotten about and there is no more suffering, I only hope for nothingness, I only wish to rest, I just wish to be permanently unconscious, I'd never wish for something as cruel and torturous as existence, having the ability to exist has only ever brought me pain.

 

[Eudaimonic]

NDEs are intriguing and might suggest that a form of non-local awareness (i.e. a soul) persists after death. Personally, given the failure of closed individualism, the vertiginous question, etc., I think that either open individualism or substance dualism is true. I lean toward OI because of its parsimony. I find it likely that a form of "reincarnation" is true; in the case of OI, it would be non-sequential. I hope that eternal oblivion or a blissful existence of pure awareness awaits us, but alas, I don't find that very plausible.

 

[CantDoIt]

NDEs are intriguing and might suggest that a form of non-local awareness (i.e. a soul) persists after death. Personally, given the failure of closed individualism, the vertiginous question, etc., I think that either open individualism or substance dualism is true. I lean toward OI because of its parsimony. I find it likely that a form of "reincarnation" is true; in the case of OI, it would be non-sequential. I hope that eternal oblivion or a blissful existence of pure awareness awaits us, but alas, I don't find that very plausible.

I would like to know more about how close individualism fails and why, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[willitpass]

My near death experiences have all involved oblivion. Non existence. No consciousness to be aware of what was happening. I simply ceased to be. And I find that comforting.

 

[BlackEyedDog]

Cats like boxes and will choose to sit on square/rectangular shapes. Psychedelics can create geometric visuals. Our brain can create responses to traumatic events, and certainly would think so when the body is signaling it is under threat or dying. Not unlike when people say they saw their life flash before their eyes before a crash or some other bodily threat. I personally do not believe in any afterlife, when the lights go out, they go out. I look forward to that oblivion.

 

[Eudaimonic]

I would like to know more about how close individualism fails and why, if you don't mind me asking?

It fails because there is no discernible identity carrier, neither in biology nor in physics. We are beings in constant flux from birth to death.
Anyway, I've changed my views since I wrote that, I no longer think reincarnation is most likely.

 

[legoshi]

My near death experiences have all involved oblivion. Non existence. No consciousness to be aware of what was happening. I simply ceased to be. And I find that comforting.

That's how I hope it is, when it's over it's over.

 

[Eudaimonic]

That's how I hope it is, when it's over it's over.

Same, above all I wish for eternal oblivion.

 

[CantDoIt]

It fails because there is no discernible identity carrier, neither in biology nor in physics. We are beings in constant flux from birth to death.
Anyway, I've changed my views since I wrote that, I no longer think reincarnation is most likely.

If you don't mind me asking, what do you believe to be the most likely?

 

[legoshi]

Same, above all I wish for eternal oblivion.

Another option I would enjoy is maybe we create our own world. Where we are happy, loved, enjoy ourselves and have the perfect life we envision. Kind of like the end of interstellar, eternity is our most beautiful dream.

 

[Priestess]

I've read a lot of NDEs, and watched many youtube videos from people who claim to have had NDEs, and I don't find it believable. Many of the stories are wildly different from each other. Some go to Christian hell or meet jesus, some are New Agey with life reviews, some even claim the afterlife is just them living in a house with their deceased relatives, eating dinner and living normally. Some of them contradict their own belief system, for example, the ones about the Christian hell are often weird and contradict the bible.

Some are from people who committed suicide, and some of them say they were warned they'd be terribly punished for suicide in the afterlife, while others say they were comforted and told suicides aren't punished.

If the afterlife and NDEs are real, why are so many accounts of NDEs so different from one another?

 

[willitpass]

I've read a lot of NDEs, and watched many youtube videos from people who claim to have had NDEs, and I don't find it believable. Many of the stories are wildly different from each other. Some go to Christian hell or meet jesus, some are New Agey with life reviews, some even claim the afterlife is just them living in a house with their deceased relatives, eating dinner and living normally. Some of them contradict their own belief system, for example, the ones about the Christian hell are often weird and contradict the bible.

Some are from people who committed suicide, and some of them say they were warned they'd be terribly punished for suicide in the afterlife, while others say they were comforted and told suicides aren't punished.

If the afterlife and NDEs are real, why are so many accounts of NDEs so different from one another?

I'm not spiritual or religious, but maybe if it is real there is no one afterlife. Maybe it is unique for each person. A personalized afterlife based on what you find important.

 

[Unspoken7612]

Near death experiences are hallucinations. Don't count on experiencing one.

Once your body is dead then consciousness ends. We are no more than our material selves.

 

[Booman]

I've read a lot of NDEs, and watched many youtube videos from people who claim to have had NDEs, and I don't find it believable. Many of the stories are wildly different from each other. Some go to Christian hell or meet jesus, some are New Agey with life reviews, some even claim the afterlife is just them living in a house with their deceased relatives, eating dinner and living normally. Some of them contradict their own belief system, for example, the ones about the Christian hell are often weird and contradict the bible.

Some are from people who committed suicide, and some of them say they were warned they'd be terribly punished for suicide in the afterlife, while others say they were comforted and told suicides aren't punished.

If the afterlife and NDEs are real, why are so many accounts of NDEs so different from one another?

My theory is people die and go to different planes of existence based on their beliefs in this realm. Like maybe christians send themselves to the hell they believe to be. I believe that belief takes ones so called soul to where it wishes to go.

 

[Eudaimonic]

If you don't mind me asking, what do you believe to be the most likely?

I don't know what to believe. Empty individualism does not seem tenable, but neither does open individualism because of the problem of order (only one experience can be 'live' at a time for the subject, so what determines the sequence? And how is the notion of a sequence even coherent at all under eternalism?). As I am not a materialist, I don't believe reductionism can account for the experiential self. Frankly, I am frankly driven insane by the uncertainty. It consumes my every waking thought.

 

[greenblood]

I always thought death felt like sleep paralysis, but you never wake up from this paralysis. You want to move and you can't, you want to talk and you can't, or sometimes in those sleep paralysis you hear voices, like a hallucination.

Every time I have sleep paralysis I feel like I died while sleeping.

 

[eden101]

nobody knows. we all just believe in what makes us happy: nothingness, somethingness (i know it's not a word lol but you get it) no one knows

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't believe in an afterlife. I think that death is just permanent non existence

 

[assistedsuicidelove]

I think you shouldn't entertain any people that look like somebody from earth and do t walk into any calming lights. And think of what you want. Maybe start your own universe.

 

[Shiva_Story]

I honestly look forward to it and return to primordial form of being.. i look forward to it like to the greatest journey of my life.. i know i'm safe in the arms of love, wisdom and grace & thanks to the clarity of my mind and practice i will continue to author an endless story of love between the Soul and its maker.. Apexing every step of the way.. reducing disparity of form with the Creator of Life itwelf the problem is making decisions and dealing with the echoes of infinity with grace when met w other forces of nature that lack it.

 

[nasigoreng99]

All the best for you my friend
Hope all goes well and you find peace
To the eternal sleep

 

[ctbusser]

Exactly my thoughts. There are so many life's I would not want to live that maybe it's better for me to stay here for as long as possible. At least I have more sense of certainty here.

I don't know what to believe. Empty individualism does not seem tenable, but neither does open individualism because of the problem of order (only one experience can be 'live' at a time for the subject, so what determines the sequence? And how is the notion of a sequence even coherent at all under eternalism?). As I am not a materialist, I don't believe reductionism can account for the experiential self. Frankly, I am frankly driven insane by the uncertainty. It consumes my every waking thought.

 

[justamirror]

Do you remember what is was like before birth? Do we have any evidence it is different after death? Not denying or approving anything …

 

[ctbusser]

Do you remember what is was like before birth? Do we have any evidence it is different after death? Not denying or approving anything …

Having no memory doesn't mean there was nothing

 

[justamirror]

Having no memory doesn't mean there was nothing

Do you have any evidence that the simple non-existing state like we were before birth isn't the same when we die? It may be this "I" this mind this body this collection does actually cease to exist like it was before birth - there is no more justamirror at all, but maybe there is something else that endures. Something entirely different. If you just say no memory ... that doesn't really mean anything to me. If all we have is thoughts and ideas those are not concrete to me. I still do not deny or approve of anything. NDEs vary WILDLY person to person - maybe we are truly something nonlocal and something does endure - but maybe its whatever we want and does not have a "strict" path everyone follows. Our universe is so fkin vast (that we know of so far) which gives me the idea anything is possible.

 

[ctbusser]

Do you have any evidence that the simple non-existing state like we were before birth isn't the same when we die? It may be this "I" this mind this body this collection does actually cease to exist like it was before birth - there is no more justamirror at all, but maybe there is something else that endures. Something entirely different. If you just say no memory ... that doesn't really mean anything to me. If all we have is thoughts and ideas those are not concrete to me. I still do not deny or approve of anything. NDEs vary WILDLY person to person - maybe we are truly something nonlocal and something does endure - but maybe its whatever we want and does not have a "strict" path everyone follows. Our universe is so fkin vast (that we know of so far) which gives me the idea anything is possible.

I just say that there is a huge probability that we existed in one form or another before this life, just like we may exist after with no memory or connections between them. If you get brain trauma and lose your memory does it mean that you didn't live before that? No, it just means you have lost memory of that. I don't believe that for 14b year infinitely huge universe we just recieve 1 shitty random several decades life on earth