Phenobarbital & Nitazene Analogues

[Shadowlord900]

Based on what I have access to on the dark net, I am deciding between 2 methods of CTBing, Phenobarbital or the various analogues of Nitazene. If it helps, I'm about 133 pounds (~60kg) and 171cm tall. While I'm not classified as underweight, I am well under my ideal weight.

Phenobarbital
While I've read it's possible to CTB on Pheno alone, unlike Pentobarbital (known by most here as Nembutal), even when you can go unconscious shortly, it can take up to 3 days to kill you. I've also read the highest amount ingested anyone's survived is 16g of Pheno, so 17g should do the trick. There's a listing on AB that's selling 100x100mg Phenobarbital tablets, so I can buy 2 boxes and that should easily be more than enough (although I imagine that many tablets need to be crushed). The good thing is it'll only cost me a little over £100 so I won't have to wait ages dealing with bank transfers for cryptocurrencies and what not. Because of the amount needed to ingest, I don't think IV would be possible, but I can easily rent a hotel room with a do not disturb sign on the door for 7 days easily. I'll make sure to also get some antiemetics beforehand (both Metoclopramide and/or Domperidone).

Nitazene Analogues
I've read from the dark net tutorial here that Nitazene (they specifically mentioned Isotonitazene) is a good CTB method to use because they should be just as, if not more potent than fentanyl (which is really good for CTBing with but sadly getting fentanyl on the dark net is almost impossible now). Below are five analogues of Nitazene I can get from the dark web (all 5 of them come in powder form):

1. Protonitazene
2. Butonitazene
3. Metonitazene
4. Isotonitazene
5. Etonitazene

However, I've read not all of them are as strong as fentanyl. There's also a few other things I have no knowledge of. I have no idea how much volume you'd need to ensure death, and whether they can be consumed orally or have to be IV only. IV isn't an option for me because I don't want to learn how to do IV, I'd likely mess that up. They're also unfortunately far more expensive than Phenobarbital, I know getting 100g of certain kinds can easily cost over £2000 (though I think 100g would be overkill?), that's gonna take me ages to slowly transfer the money over without making my banks go into a panic.

Also I dunno what death by fentanyl and similar kinds is like. Is it said be as peaceful as deaths by barbiturates?

 

[Shadowlord900]

Doing a shameless bump. I decided to forgo Metoclopramide in favor of Domperidone. I read a few horror stories of the nasty side effects Meto can have. With Domperidone you're far more likely to get cardiac related issues than movement disorders, and I think the former isn't permanent unless if you get sudden cardiac death and not saved quick enough (...which I think actually works in my favor? XD).

I know it's dumb to worry about the side effects of a drug you intend to take before your CTB attempt, but I do want to try a small dose of the antiemetic beforehand, just so I can get a good feel of it and hopefully get a better idea of whether it will or won't help reduce my chances of vomiting.

Please any further knowledge on Phenobarbital, Nitazene and Antiemetics would be greatly appreciated. I plan on ordering one more kind of benzo to try out (I think it was Temazepam?) before deciding on whether to go with Pheno or Nitazene. (Will most likely be Pheno if I don't get any replies, as that's the one I have more knowledge of.)

 

[SorrowMind]

wouldn't Phenobarbital and Nitazene Analogs be included in PPeH if those were reliable and peaceful? or are these listed in PPeH already?
I've been thinking about learning self IV administration lately, it eliminates the risk of vomiting with a method. I'll follow this post, I'm interested. If you find out more please share if you want to or send me a pm. I'm reconsidering my SN method.

 

[Shadowlord900]

wouldn't Phenobarbital and Nitazene Analogs be included in PPeH if those were reliable and peaceful? or are these listed in PPeH already?
I've been thinking about learning self IV administration lately, it eliminates the risk of vomiting with a method. I'll follow this post, I'm interested. If you find out more please share if you want to or send me a pm. I'm reconsidering my SN method.

Phenobarbital is mentioned in the PPeH currently on the forums on page 49 under the shortened name Phenobarb. I think previous versions of the PPeH used to have more extensive cover on the Phenobarbital method but is not included in this one for some reason. I've read if you wanted to CTB on Phenobarbital alone, 10g is the minimum recommended dose, but lethal recovery is only possible up to 16g:

Phenobarbital

Now There is going to be a shortage of Pentobarbital, how viable an alternative is Phenobarbital. Phenobarbital is easier to obtain and can get any quantity if have enough money. Is there any research and advise about phenobarbital and how viable an alternative is it to Nembutal death. Would I...

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So I recommend taking 17g of Phenobarbital minimum, but I dunno if you'd be able to inject that much into yourself before passing out,

Also the Nitazenes are Opioids, which the PPeH currently on the forums has a whole section on Opioids on page 71. It doesn't really cover much on opioids outside of Morphine, which I've personally always found rather dumb because Morphine isn't actually that strong of an opioid. You can get stronger opioids on the dark web that would end up way cheaper than say if you tried to buy 15g of Morphine for the 5-drug mix method.

List of benzimidazole opioids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This page here shows the potency of some of the Nitazenes in comparison to Morphine.

 

[speck]

What is the suggested protocol on the phenobarb? Have you decided to pursue this/was it easy to procure? Does anyone have any info on testing the pheno for accuracy (using the barb home test kit, electric control, etc)?
Sorry for lots of questions, but I believe this may have some viability to it.

 

[mypersonalhell]

I have looked into pheno but swallowing 200 pills is a lot, these aren't small pills either from what I saw. How do you plan on dealing with this (looks easier then doing it especially when si kicks in)?

Second if you are found within this 3 day window and saved you will end up with permanent damage to your body. I would not choose a hotel tbh. Do not disturb sign isn't always respected in each hotel. How will you make sure you are not found in 3 days?

Third if you are passed out you can still vormit, if this happens quickly your body might have not taken in all the pheno. Since you would needs lots of water to swallow 200 pills this is a reasonable danger as your stomach is full. How will you deal with this?

Not trying to be a negative Nancy, just curious.

 

[oneeyed]

Why not both? If you can get enough pheno and add some of the nitazene with it, they would work together to suppress your breathing. I think that's how Marylin Monroe died. Nembutal + painkiller (I forget which one) + alcohol.

 

[Shadowlord900]

What is the suggested protocol on the phenobarb? Have you decided to pursue this/was it easy to procure? Does anyone have any info on testing the pheno for accuracy (using the barb home test kit, electric control, etc)?
Sorry for lots of questions, but I believe this may have some viability to it.

Same with most drug overdoses, take antiemetics, if pheno's in tablet/pill form, crush them into powder to make it easier to swallow. Only difference is you need up to 3 days by yourself for the pheno to make you CTB.

I have looked into pheno but swallowing 200 pills is a lot, these aren't small pills either from what I saw. How do you plan on dealing with this (looks easier then doing it especially when si kicks in)?

Second if you are found within this 3 day window and saved you will end up with permanent damage to your body. I would not choose a hotel tbh. Do not disturb sign isn't always respected in each hotel. How will you make sure you are not found in 3 days?

Third if you are passed out you can still vormit, if this happens quickly your body might have not taken in all the pheno. Since you would needs lots of water to swallow 200 pills this is a reasonable danger as your stomach is full. How will you deal with this?

Not trying to be a negative Nancy, just curious.

XD Nah you're not being a negative nancy, it's always good to ask questions.

Crushing the tablets into powder is a much easier easy of ingesting them. It was talked about a lot in the below thread (with someone also advising why it's not a good idea to take too many full tablets/pills at once):

Swallowing 200 pills of 100mg phenobarbital - antiemetic needed?

Do I need an antiemetic alongside the pills or do phenobarbital pills not induce vomiting just like how you can take an insane amount of Xanax and not vomit.

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In terms of hotel you're right it is quite a bit of gamble. If you have the money, maybe renting out a lodge (ideally one from a big chain) would be better instead? I've been on loads of holidays to lodges and we never get any cleaners demanding to come in and clean the lodge during our stay so I personally think that would be a better idea.

Since the crushed tablets should only be in your stomach for a couple of hours (especially if you use an antiemetic with quick gastric emptying like meto or domperidone), and I've read blacking out from Phenobarbital overdose can take anywhere between 1-5 hours, if unfortunately you do vomit, chances of it happening after blacking out should be low.

As long as you're taking an antiemetic, I don't think the risk of vomiting with most drug overdoses is as bad as say Sodium Nitrite, just because the body more easily sees SN as toxic in high volumes compared to certain drugs, where you can vomit from SN even despite whether you've taken an antiemetic or not.

Also I plan on taking 3 different kinds of antiemetics at once to hopefully further reduce the chances of vomiting while following a regimen similar to the one in Stan's Guide to SN:

A dopamine blocker (Metoclopramide/Domperidone)
A serotonin blocker (Ondansetron)
An antihistamine (Meclizine)

Why not both? If you can get enough pheno and add some of the nitazene with it, they would work together to suppress your breathing. I think that's how Marylin Monroe died. Nembutal + painkiller (I forget which one) + alcohol.

Yep that's what I plan on doing. Although I'm gonna replace the alcohol with grapefruit juice. Alcohol increases chances of vomiting, grapefruit juice I think does not and it can also help potentiate certain drugs.

 

[mypersonalhell]

XD Nah you're not being a negative nancy, it's always good to ask questions.

Crushing the tablets into powder is a much easier easy of ingesting them. It was talked about a lot in the below thread (with someone also advising why it's not a good idea to take too many full tablets/pills at once):

Swallowing 200 pills of 100mg phenobarbital - antiemetic needed?

Do I need an antiemetic alongside the pills or do phenobarbital pills not induce vomiting just like how you can take an insane amount of Xanax and not vomit.

sanctioned-suicide.net

In terms of hotel you're right it is quite a bit of gamble. If you have the money, maybe renting out a lodge (ideally one from a big chain) would be better instead? I've been on loads of holidays to lodges and we never get any cleaners demanding to come in and clean the lodge during our stay so I personally think that would be a better idea.

Since the crushed tablets should only be in your stomach for a couple of hours (especially if you use an antiemetic with quick gastric emptying like meto or domperidone), and I've read blacking out from Phenobarbital overdose can take anywhere between 1-5 hours, if unfortunately you do vomit, chances of it happening after blacking out should be low.

As long as you're taking an antiemetic, I don't think the risk of vomiting with most drug overdoses is as bad as say Sodium Nitrite, just because the body more easily sees SN as toxic in high volumes compared to certain drugs, where you can vomit from SN even despite whether you've taken an antiemetic or not.

Also I plan on taking 3 different kinds of antiemetics at once to hopefully further reduce the chances of vomiting while following a regimen similar to the one in Stan's Guide to SN:

A dopamine blocker (Metoclopramide/Domperidone)
A serotonin blocker (Ondansetron)
An antihistamine (Meclizine)


Yep that's what I plan on doing. Although I'm gonna replace the alcohol with grapefruit juice. Alcohol increases chances of vomiting, grapefruit juice I think does not and it can also help potentiate certain drugs.

Yea crushing them would help to a certain extent. Either way it will probably be quite thick drink with a disgusting smell and taste. I hope that the antiemetics will help here.

Yes indeed, a lodge, vacation home or airbnb would indeed be better then a hotel room.

Also in your opening post you mentioned 100g of opioid from the darkweb, depending on your country this might be considered dealer amounts. Be careful with that. Only strictly buy what is necessary.

 

[Shadowlord900]

Also in your opening post you mentioned 100g of opioid from the darkweb, depending on your country this might be considered dealer amounts. Be careful with that. Only strictly buy what is necessary.

Oh yeah don't worry back then I was far less knowledgeable about the potencies of nitazenes as I am now. Heck the OP was made back when AlphaBay was still a thing before they exit scammed. ;^^

 

[beforeistoolate]

Oh yeah don't worry back then I was far less knowledgeable about the potencies of nitazenes as I am now. Heck the OP was made back when AlphaBay was still a thing before they exit scammed. ;^^

Hi are you still going with phenobarbital as your number one choice? I'm thinking of going with that one myself.

Only thing that differs from yours is I wanna back up the oral dose with an even bigger rectal dose. I still don't understand why aren't that many people discussing and adding rectal administration to their plans. Even if you can't hold it in for long, it should be better than no insurance at all.

 

[Sparx]

Hi are you still going with phenobarbital as your number one choice? I'm thinking of going with that one myself.

Only thing that differs from yours is I wanna back up the oral dose with an even bigger rectal dose. I still don't understand why aren't that many people discussing and adding rectal administration to their plans. Even if you can't hold it in for long, it should be better than no insurance at all.

Think OP has already put his plan into action, hasn't been on the site in 2 months.

 

[Euthanza]

May peace be upon him. RIP

 

[Yuna is My Waifu]

Wait so it can take days to die and you need to eat hundreds of tablets? This doesn't seem very efficient?

 

[HD72]

Doing a shameless bump. I decided to forgo Metoclopramide in favor of Domperidone. I read a few horror stories of the nasty side effects Meto can have. With Domperidone you're far more likely to get cardiac related issues than movement disorders, and I think the former isn't permanent unless if you get sudden cardiac death and not saved quick enough (...which I think actually works in my favor? XD).

I know it's dumb to worry about the side effects of a drug you intend to take before your CTB attempt, but I do want to try a small dose of the antiemetic beforehand, just so I can get a good feel of it and hopefully get a better idea of whether it will or won't help reduce my chances of vomiting.

Please any further knowledge on Phenobarbital, Nitazene and Antiemetics would be greatly appreciated. I plan on ordering one more kind of benzo to try out (I think it was Temazepam?) before deciding on whether to go with Pheno or Nitazene. (Will most likely be Pheno if I don't get any replies, as that's the one I have more knowledge of.)

Please do not use meto. People using meto are at risk of something called akathisia from even one dose. It is brutal. I suffer every day. I'd give anything to have access to gas but the damage from meds has made me unable to understand how to put a tank method together. I don't know about the other drugs but just be careful. Any drug can cause the uncontrolled movements and akathisia.