petition to shut us down

[lotus11]

Have yall seen this????

Sign the Petition

Shut down EVIL suicide assisted website Sanctioned Suicide!!!!

www.change.org

Petition to shut down this site.


Look, I'm really sorry that this woman's daughter killed herself, of course, it is tragic. But what she writes about this site to get it shut down is selfish and narrow-minded, as are the comments of the people who signed the petition. I have personally been a member of this site for over a year and yes, it has assisted me with answers to questions about killing myself I wouldn't otherwise have known. Additionally, I now have the correct chemicals to leave this world in a relatively peaceful way, if I choose to do so, be that now or in 5, 10, 15 years time. I have had these chemicals in my possession for months now and have no plan on taking them spontaneously. I have suffered many years of difficult circumstances including a chronic mental and physical health condition for the last 10 years. As by reading many of the stories here have several of the other members on this site. Some of the comments mention that we are 'vulnerable' and 'need help....well no shit sherlock, in fact, I couldn't agree more. But personally in my case at least, I have tried many times to get help and for me, 'good' help is not available, I simply can't afford it I have been told I am not eligible for hospital treatment here in the UK and all I am eligible for is a therapist who basically sits and reads be answers from their bullshit generic shit they read in their textbook in college or are told is appropriate to say or not say, probably the same sort of shit you would get if you called a suicide hotline. Is this woman making the petition willing to pay thousands upon thousands for my physical and mental treatment and therapy in order to 'take the better route'...no, I think not. This website is a place for us little vulnerable ducklings to cut the bullshit. To hear some AUTHENTICITY from other people who can really understand your pain. In addition to this I also have other issues in my life that of course, I could just 'move on from' such as family trauma and unbearable heartbreak. Scars you cant see sorta thing. I'm sure there are a few bad things happened on this site, difficult not to on a site like this. But I think that this is NOT the intention of the site. After over a year here I have NEVER read a comment of someone encouraging or forcing anyone to kill themselves. Only advice, support and an area for no judgement. As I said, I am so sorry for this woman's loss, but she is living in a bubble world where she things everyone's problems and pain can and will be fixed by society or even personal family or friends. Sorry but this is not the real world. Whether my personal situations will improve or not, I will probably wait several years and see. But the reality of this world and people who to take their lives is that there usually isn't help of solution to their pain, and living this way is so unbearable they choose to go. Killing your self is NOT easy. I have tried it and I couldn't do it, the survival instinct is very strong. Of course, we should help people in pain all that we can, but wish peace for the people who choose to go. I am not sure that shutting down this site is the answer.


What are your thoughts?

 

[SpottedPanda]

My thoughts are this. I could start a petition to get myself sent to Mars, and it could get 5,000 signatures. However, the chances of me becoming a martian are somewhat highly unlikely.

All you have to do is scroll down to related or other petitions. People create petitions all the time. Legend has it that in the UK if enough people sign they have to debate it in parliament. But I may be uninitiated, but I'm yet to see any effective petitions, despite them being rampant on social media.

That's why I don't even have a change.org account, even after years. I don't believe petitions are worth anything.

Sure it's sad to hear of someone who's lost a loved one, and you can empathise with the person and their perspective, even if you don't share it, but I don't see the FBI cracking down on SS anytime soon.

 

[DeadButDreaming]

I think people are becoming increasingly pro-choice in regards to euthanasia. Even on conservative news sites, like the Daily Mail, commenters are mostly pro-choice when it comes to euthanasia.

 

[Evermore]

I'm not worried about the petition as there is another older petition on there looking to shut down this site as well and nothing has come of that . Even if she reaches 1000 signatures i can't see that being anywhere near enough for SS to be closed. The mother is obviously heartbroken and looking for someone to blame. If the petition helps her feel better then good for her but it more than likely won't have the outcome she's looking for , in fact it will probably just do the opposite and bring more suicidal people to SS.

 

[RainAndSadness]

500 supporters in 2 months isn't really a great performance, I'd say. Let them scream. It don't think it will lead anywhere.

 

[puppy9]

WTF with the pedophilia and possible trafficking?

They really are desperate. Hmm

 

[lotus11]

WTF with the pedophilia and possible trafficking?

They really are desperate. Hmm

I know right, y'all ever seen any reference of that here? I haven't, I mean, I'm not saying that nothing bad ever happens here but come on

 

[Grey-zone]

In the words of a 90s band,
"You're never gonna keep me down, but I get up again."
They can try to shut this site down, but in the internet marketplace of ideas there's a demand for it--it will just come back in one form or another.

 

[KUA]

The problem is people who CTB often don't delete their browser history. That is the problem! It's very selfish and these people are pretty much closing the door on their way out. I've seen Facebook posts on SS due to this. Tbh if all of us weren't in the situations we are in, we would be exactly like the mother and make a petition, anyone who says otherwise is lying. Obviously the mother is wrong, you don't just stumble upon SS, you obviously have to be suicidal in the first place and search for it. But she probably in her heart of hearts believes she is right. Don't go after her, she is already in pain. But learn the lesson that when you CTB DELETE YOUR BROWSER HISTORY

 

[Aliali1992]

When the server of this site goes down...i feel the difference immediately...i don't magicaly love life and have the will to stay in pain...in contrast i feel more isolated and i don't have a window to share. before i found this site i was not full with happenes and life... i was also suicidal and my options before i knew about SN and N were jumping and hanging...which now i can't imagine my self doing.

 

[InTheAirTonight]

I mean...they have a point

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

WTF with the pedophilia and possible trafficking?

They really are desperate. Hmm

I know right, y'all ever seen any reference of that here? I haven't, I mean, I'm not saying that nothing bad ever happens here but come on

Yes, trafficking is possible. So many members seek a partner and they make it clear that they won't be missed and are desperate enough to override red flag behaviors. And if there are minors on the site who have claimed to be 18, they may admit in confidence to a perpetrator that they are younger.

The petition makes claims as fact but without evidence to get people riled up, that's propaganda and it's undue influence. But the possibility of what they claim exists, and many have commented on the forum that the Partners Megathread is what would likely bring the forum down. Even then, I've seen obvious predatory, luring-type behaviors on the forum before, and so much happens in PMs behind the scenes, that trafficking is always a possiblity even without the Partners Megathread.

There has indeed been reference on the forum to dangerous people, not exactly trafficking, but in this case, it could have happened if the guy didn't outright kill her.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/dangerous-people-on-the-forum.39157/

There have also been threads about guys who aren't looking for a partner but for sex, and have made ctb plans with multiple members and met each of them in person with no intent to ctb.

This forum is not all innocent and well-meaning people seeking the means and support for suicide. Wherever there is need and desperation, there are going to be people seeking to take advantage and victimize, whether scammers, catfishers, or violent predators, including traffickers.

 

[I screwed up]

When the server of this site goes down...i feel the difference immediately...i don't magicaly love life and have the will to stay in pain...in contrast i feel more isolated and i don't have a window to share. before i found this site i was not full with happenes and life... i was also suicidal and my options before i knew about SN and N were jumping and hanging...which now i can't imagine my self doing.

Exactly my feelings... Couldn't say it any better. As for the petition look at the ridiculous petitions some people have made on the same site ...

 

[Dead beat dad]

This isn't the first and won't be the last bid to shut down this site.
There is a lot of anger, in the world and there is a lot of anger in our world here too.
If there was more love and less hate, maybe the need for places like this would be less.
I will continue to argue that this site and the discussions we have will always save more lives than will be lost (this will do nothing to assuage the angry people while their hatred burns bright I know).
This site, the admins, members and visitors did not force me to come here.
It did not create the problems that brought me here.
Rather they have actually allowed me to prevent me harming myself and others, while I reflect on my life with access to knowledge and understanding that the angry world won't acknowledge needs to exist.
I stand and have always stood for love, respect, peace and understanding and most importantly the right to informed choice.
Whoever reads this I extend this sentiment to you, and what ever your troubles know that this site for me has offered love and compassion in a way I count not get elsewhere and I wish this love for you too.

Peace and light shine on us all.

DBD

 

[Pryras]

I scrolled down the petition and read through some of the comments under "reasons for signing" and omg....

"I am signing this because people running sanctionedsuicide•com caused my beloved 21-year-old son take his life by providing "peaceful" methods of suicide"

Just to be real here, he is the one who searched and pulled up the thread. Nobody caused or convinced him to do anything. He was suicidal beforehand and found something that worked for him. I'm sorry but the "peaceful" comment bothers me....if he didn't decide on SN he could've used another impulsive method and suffered tremendously. Her son was suffering but people like her just REFUSE to acknowledge that. Pinning blame is always easier than reflecting.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

There was already a thread about this the other day that got locked. Nothing is going to happen once they reach their signature limit. We try not to fuel negative news about this site here though.

 

[HappyMstake]

Like other users commented above me the woman is just looking for someone to blame, because surely to god if her daughter hadn't found this site she would be living a happy beautiful life now!

If it wasn't for this site I would be overdosing for the 3rd time to try and CTB. I would suffer through even more liver damage than I already have and my death would probably be much more painful and drawn out than the method I have chosen now.

The thing is most of us are already set on CTB one way or another. Why take down a site that educates people on how to do it the least painful and more 'peacefully' way. You would figure they would be at peace with the fact that their loved one didn't die a horribly painful death.

Then again most of these people see life as some type of gift. If that's the case I would like the receipt so I can return my gift.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

To any petitioners, pro lifers, or LEOs, I got something for ya!

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I don't understand why the mods/site owners repeatedly lock threads like this one.

From the Rules and FAQ:

We provide a space to discuss the topic of suicide without the censorship of other places, as well a community that can understand and let you be yourself without judging you. Feel free to use this forum to vent, talk to like-minded individuals, or to empathize and offer kind words to other people. We all need and deserve empathy and support.

When there's a thread like this, it's because someone is impacted and needs to vent, and we all in this community are in need of empathy and support from each other when confronted by these external assaults. Locking the threads feels to me like censorship, and therefore oppression, by the very folks who ostensibly created this site in supportive response to censorship and oppression. It's silencing and therefore disempowering.

 

[Despondent]

I don't understand why the mods/site owners repeatedly lock threads like this one.

From the Rules and FAQ:

We provide a space to discuss the topic of suicide without the censorship of other places, as well a community that can understand and let you be yourself without judging you. Feel free to use this forum to vent, talk to like-minded individuals, or to empathize and offer kind words to other people. We all need and deserve empathy and support.

When there's a thread like this, it's because someone is impacted and needs to vent, and we all in this community are in need of empathy and support from each other when confronted by these external assaults. Locking the threads feels to me like censorship, and therefore oppression, by the very folks who ostensibly created this site in supportive response to censorship and oppression. It's silencing and therefore disempowering.

The thread that I've made on the petition was locked and I was genuinely worried about losing access to this forum.

 

[Iamamistake]

Yes, trafficking is possible. So many members seek a partner and they make it clear that they won't be missed and are desperate enough to override red flag behaviors. And if there are minors on the site who have claimed to be 18, they may admit in confidence to a perpetrator that they are younger.

The petition makes claims as fact but without evidence to get people riled up, that's propaganda and it's undue influence. But the possibility of what they claim exists, and many have commented on the forum that the Partners Megathread is what would likely bring the forum down. Even then, I've seen obvious predatory, luring-type behaviors on the forum before, and so much happens in PMs behind the scenes, that trafficking is always a possiblity even without the Partners Megathread.

There has indeed been reference on the forum to dangerous people, not exactly trafficking, but in this case, it could have happened if the guy didn't outright kill her.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/dangerous-people-on-the-forum.39157/

There have also been threads about guys who aren't looking for a partner but for sex, and have made ctb plans with multiple members and met each of them in person with no intent to ctb.

This forum is not all innocent and well-meaning people seeking the means and support for suicide. Wherever there is need and desperation, there are going to be people seeking to take advantage and victimize, whether scammers, catfishers, or violent predators, including traffickers.

Wow, I was wondering why this site was getting blamed for sex trafficking and as such. Though it sort of sounds like that woman is saying so without much evidence. Anyway, thanks for explaining this, I was confused about this accusation in the petition. (• ▽ •;)

 

[disabledlife]

My condolences for the daughter and her family and I still understand the pain of seeing someone leave.

However, nobody can ever stop someone from CTB, or someone from helping someone else in CTB, the suffering is sometimes too painful (with no positive future) to be bearable and people help out of compassion, justice has even canceled or at least reduced the sentences of the trials in any country having seen that it is done out of compassion.

We do not hesitate to euthanize, with compassion, our animals (who do not deny it to us, we have never managed to speak a language with animals), so why humans wishing to want to leave have no right to ask for it? In today's world, with closed and retrograde mentalities, it is the resource for CTB, out of despair for lack of other solutions.

Pro-lifers will never understand what it is to suffer, nobody asked to be born and we are unequal by birth (born disabled, ugly, small, dwarf, bad family, abandoned, born anonymously, yes it still exists in France, ill-treated, excluded ...).

Since nobody wants to control births with a universal right to be born well and to have every chance of living well, not having the right to leave as you want is like being in a well-kept prison environment.

Unless the pro-lifers defend a form of profitability on the back of the unfortunate people (drugs, retirement homes, expensive medical stays, accommodation for the disabled).

Nowadays there are less and less countries to punish suicide, it is even very rare now, India and Singapore has finally removed the laws punishing suicide recently.

More and more countries are seeking to legalize the right to be helped to die, even if this is only the beginning of this revolution of ultimate freedom.

 

[Desi]

She should be invited to discuss the issue.
I m sure she hurts and she found a scapegoat.

The problem is people who CTB often don't delete their browser history. That is the problem! It's very selfish and these people are pretty much closing the door on their way out. I've seen Facebook posts on SS due to this. Tbh if all of us weren't in the situations we are in, we would be exactly like the mother and make a petition, anyone who says otherwise is lying. Obviously the mother is wrong, you don't just stumble upon SS, you obviously have to be suicidal in the first place and search for it. But she probably in her heart of hearts believes she is right. Don't go after her, she is already in pain. But learn the lesson that when you CTB DELETE YOUR BROWSER HISTORY

I can't like this post enough. Please, all of you: the freedom you crave, preserve it for others after you. Make sure this website can keep on functioning. Erase any link when you go, delete your history, it doesn't take long.
Please.
I will.
Please, you do it for the others.

 

[Aap]

Ignore it. Rule 2 of the internet is don't feed the trolls. Rule 1 involves a hacker.

 

[omoidarui]

in regards to the Shatto story they're also running a smear campaign against us on ABC News and semi-violating the privacy of our members by featuring isolated comments made taken out of context of the rest of the post, which i know first-hand because they featured one of mine twice and only the negative part of my post, whilst filtering out the more sympathy-conveying comments, obviously to push their chosen narrative that we're all heartless monsters who abuse* grieving families (having an opinion disagreeing with "Shawn's" Law is somehow abusive? what they've said about us seems worse, condemnations of eternity in Hell isnt the worst of their ad hominems).

it's contrived shiet like that pro-lifers do that would've sent the younger me into anxiety if my posts had been exploited then by these paparazzi, in that kind of dishonest way, lucky i can handle it now (even though i do find it invasive...). O well at least it's been broadcast to the world that I stand with the Democrats :>

 

[Walilamdzi]

I think people are becoming increasingly pro-choice in regards to euthanasia. Even on conservative news sites, like the Daily Mail, commenters are mostly pro-choice when it comes to euthanasia.

That's only in the context of terminal physical illness though.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

The problem is people who CTB often don't delete their browser history. That is the problem! It's very selfish and these people are pretty much closing the door on their way out. I've seen Facebook posts on SS due to this. Tbh if all of us weren't in the situations we are in, we would be exactly like the mother and make a petition, anyone who says otherwise is lying. Obviously the mother is wrong, you don't just stumble upon SS, you obviously have to be suicidal in the first place and search for it. But she probably in her heart of hearts believes she is right. Don't go after her, she is already in pain. But learn the lesson that when you CTB DELETE YOUR BROWSER HISTORY

I'm intentionally leaving quotes from various members from this website in my suicide notes. Our governments are fully aware that websites like this exist on the dark web and I don't see why I or anyone else should intentionally try to hide this website? There are an enormous amount of piracy websites that cost our governments millions if not billions of dollars and they can't shut them down. Even when a piracy website is shut down another mirror of it pops up almost immediately.

If anything the topic of suicide and this website needs to be in the spotlight MORE or nothing will ever change for the better involving suicidal people's right to self determination. This website and others like it will continue to exist for as long as people like us continue to be oppressed.

 

[AlreadyGone]

Why do people make a big deal every time a petition is raised? They haven't worked then, and will not work now.

 

[miguel6565]

the mum didnt try to feel like her daughter and wanna shut us down for a decision that we dont encourage and we have a section for helping people live and never tell anyone kys just listen to them,its a narrowminded mum affected by the suicide but have no right to decide if we wanna stay or not

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Why do people make a big deal every time a petition is raised? They haven't worked then, and will not work now.

Maybe you don't have the ability to empathize about this, or just haven't considered this perspective, but it can feel scary to some people. It's a bullying tactic, and that can feel like a big deal to some people who don't know how to handle bullying or recognize that it's a sign of weakness rather than power. So if someone feels like it's a big deal, then they can post and get support as well as information, which are main functions of this site already.