Petition lieing about this website

[a.h]

Shattos relative (I think) is collecting now names to petition by telling lies. This page is not illegal (police looked into it and saw nothing illegal in here and staff have lawyers to advice on legal matter) and children are not allowed to here. Even everyone is someone's child, telling people this page helped someone's childs suicide (method)makes people think they were kids. People must be adults to sign in here and parents of underage kids can block any webpage they want easily.
So the reason for petition is they want legal website closed to control other adults. Every study says that taking away some ways of suicide has 0 effect on suicide rates. So to ban or hide peacefull methods just means more painful death to people. There are also euthanasia blogs where people can give love and support to dieing people in their last times. In some countries people can also be accompanied in death with a loving volunteer.

Here people tell everyone who don't seem to be sure to go to try everything to try to get life better even naturally people try to fix things first. People also have fundamental right to choose the time they leave to afterlife, where we all will go anyways, and they don't need to reason it to anyone or get others to agree with them. It is useless to write it again in goodbye thread (when person has decided they absolutely want to go) to them which can feel like downplaying their right to choose the time of their leaving to afterlife. Telling others they can't choose the time they die is like saying I know about your pain and life more than you do and I am the one who chooses when you can leave this life, it is my right and not yours. Everyone knows things can get better (or worse) for most people and there is other choice to death too which is life. Since some people think that their deceased relatives didn't know that, maybe we should write that common knowledge somewhere. We could make thread for beginners with all the farces that pro lifers demand to be told as if people didn't know that.

Giving best wishes and sending love to person in goodbye thread doesn't even mean that person supports their choice. It is same than wishing good and sending love to sick people who are dieing naturally. It is emphaty and love. In some countries people can hold the dieing persons hand and be present when they die by suicide so they don't have to be alone in their last moments and can feel being loved.

When people have severe constant pain that can't be treated off or cured it is natural to want to die. Every single person would in that situation.

Idea of people in the petition seems to be that if their loved ones just found out ways to kill themselves they would die. How well do they treat their loved ones to think that?

Every single suicide/euthanasia method is told in millions of webpages. News talk about ways to end lives daily too so that information can never be blocked.

Anyway that petition should make no different. I guess people can collect names on bases of lies if they want to and send fake names themselves.

Sign the Petition

SHUTDOWN ILLEGAL Sanctioned Suicideâ.âCom Stop the encouragement of suicide that they give

www.change.org

 

[Deleted member 19654]

There's been numerous petitions to shut down SS but nothing has actually happened

 

[isotopeangel180-5]

I wouldn't pay any mind, I've checked out a handful of those petitions and it's appeals to emotion with nothing else to stand on.

 

[Trayus]

It has always been in the best interest of society to make sure that its members do not commit suicide. After all, you always need people to look down on, people that serve as negative examples. "Work hard in school, or you end up like that loser" "Go study hard, you dont want to be like him". Even in older times the peasants were tricked to keep on living shitty lives by promise of salvation in the afterlife... "work hard and go to heaven".

It's all bullshit. Life has no intrinsic meaning and the ruling classes know it. They need to supress views like ours, because cascading suicides will shake up society too much and their house of cards would crumble. Less people to work their shitty jobs that pay too little, less people to pay taxes so that the few can live good lives with happy families.

 

[almost_dead]

fucking angry boomer moms

 

[Sk1n1M1n]

But parents have got to find the site and know about it before they consider blocking it and most kids can get around the ban, it just takes a bit of know how and the website is unblocked. Plus it's more likely to go underground into the deep web, where vulnerable people will the means for more methods and ways making the suicide appear like an accident. It could also border on the line of pro-addiction people convince each other that instead of suicide that taking taking H everyday is as normal and accessible as buying a packet of fags or bottle of booze etc.

There's already the pro-Ana movement for anorexia and bulimia.

or ends a place where people who don't have depression mental health conditions/illness end up wanting the illness or relapsing those whose conditions present mildly. One minute they are feeling a bit fed up a down, gloomy day and then some ass convinces them that' there life is worthless, they should quit their job without thinking about it, deliberately get into fights, get drunk/high excessively I.e drink excessive vodka, smoke cigarettes if theyve never smoked.

I hope I am not giving anyone ideas

 

[_Minsk]

as if this would hinder people to take their own lives..

 

[sadworld]

as if this would hinder people to take their own lives..

True, people that don't know about SS might use unreliable methods so they just have to go through more pain.

 

[TheSkyIsBlue]

If you don't want us to use this site, make us non-suicidal

 

[SHThrowAway213]

That is pathetic.
Some of the comments on the petition as well...
They're so ignorant.

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

There is no point in trying to rationalize our views to them. When positions are based on emotion, they are often irrational. Same with religion. Faith is by definition, irrational, because it's belief without evidence. You can't argue with irrational opinions using rational thought. It's one of the biggest frustrations in life. (Also why debating someone like Donald Trump or the MAGA crowd is near impossible... but I digress...)

The existence of these petitions shows how important it is for us to follow the rules. We can't encourage people. And when we offer our thoughts in goodbye threads, it's important that the person's true identity be unknown to us, lest anyone be able to say we knew someone was killing themselves and we didn't notify the authorities. The staff and owners have done a good job setting up an environment in which we can all be safe to continue our beneficial discussions and build our support system. I know it's frustrating that others don't see it that way, but we know the truth.

That is pathetic.
Some of the comments on the petition as well...
They're so ignorant.

Ugh... I did too. I regret it already. I should know better. Number one rule of the internet: never read the comments!

 

[grungeCat]

I can spend hours talking about how stupid and useless this petition is but come on. I don't think some lame-ass dumb people has any causative power to shut us down.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I think that there is lot of illegality on that website and they could easily get a lawsuit. They are publicly displaying messages from people on this website, with names and photos. Some photos are real photos from the people that wrote the messages. They have been so mean not to remove them.
Isn't it illegal to display private informations of people without their authorization?
The civil code writes:
"It is against morals, good customs and public policy to humiliate, embarrass and degrade the dignity of a person. Everyone must respect the dignity, personality, privacy and peace of mind of his neighbors and other persons"
How do they think to start a lawsuit against a website when they infringe the civil code? Even if a crime has been committed, people are not allowed to diffuse informations that have not been made public by the court. Otherwise anyone could sue the offender for personal damages.
I have asked them to remove the pictures and any reference to people. If they don't do it, I can check what can be done to enforce it.

 

[voidman]

I doubt this petition will lead to anything. It's just a bunch of Karens saying 'my little timmy ctb'd and it's all this sites fault'. No.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Oh it's this thread again! My response to these petitions is always the same...

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

I doubt this petition will lead to anything. It's just a bunch of Karens saying 'my little timmy ctb'd and it's all this sites fault'. No.

A means of deflecting their own guilt for rejecting their children, or downplaying their mental illnesses, or not seriously providing the help they needed.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

that is clear. But I'm disgusted by the fact that they are trying to put shame, publicly, over people that they don't know, by sharing their personal informations, photos and messages. That is something criminal and unrespectful; the simple reason why the civil code condemns such acts is that he public image of a person can be irreversibly damaged both in the private and in the professional life. Their behavior is a clear demonstration of how toxic and abusive they are. They are not doing a lawsuit; they are doing a public propaganda with something that they are not allowed to publish, playing with people that are already depressed and deluded by life.

 

[Sinkinshyp]

I haven't looked at that particular petition. I sympathize with Shawns mom, as I lost my 25 yr old son in a car accident. It is total devastation to a parent to loose their child. My son will be gone 3 yrs next month. I'm lucky if I can put shoes on most days, I cannot function I am so destroyed. If it were my child and I found this forum I don't know how I would feel. I promised I will always be honest, even if it might get some angry with me. Even though my son was 25 he still lived at home- had a full time job, but lived at home to due to my health. He was my child- a man in every way but my baby, my son, my child. When children get married or move out, have partners or they have children they're no longer your babies but when they're still living at home they're still your baby. If Shawn was my daughter I would feel the mental health profession totally failed my child in every way. I'm assuming she had a therapist. I'm not going to bash or say anything to pour salt in that womans wounds. I would not wish the loss of a child on my worst enemy. This forum is so much more than what they think it is. The compassion here , the peer to peer support being able to let out how you feel is somewhat of a relief. In all honesty unless someone has felt such depression, sadness, brokeness they cannot understand. They might be able to get some things changed on the forum like methods but they can't get the forum shut down.

Sometimes when parents loose their child they try to change things, it's their focus rather than focusing on the loss of their child. Read below...

My brother witnessed an accident just past a yr ago. A man on a motorcycle lay bleeding and people just took pics or videos. He thought about my son in his accident and held this man. My brother put his hands on this mans heart and it was fading, he yelled to the cops his hearts fading the cop just said you're doing good sir ems is on the way. This man died in my brothers arms. He was 24 yrs old. His mother instantly went into a mode of fighting to change some laws. She fought hard- I couldn't believe the strength she had. a week before the 1yr of his death in sept she lost her battle in court-and has fallen apart now. We are friends on facebook because my brother held her son and provided comfort to him in his final moments.

 

[Ghost2211]

Wow, a whole 8,011 signatures. I bet like 3 of those people actually care and didn't click just because it's was anti suicide.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Wow, a whole 8,011 signatures. I bet like 3 of those people actually care and didn't click just because it's was anti suicide.

If they reach 10,000 signatures I hear they'll get a free decoder ring!

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I haven't looked at that particular petition. I sympathize with Shawns mom, as I lost my 25 yr old son in a car accident. It is total devastation to a parent to loose their child. My son will be gone 3 yrs next month. I'm lucky if I can put shoes on most days, I cannot function I am so destroyed. If it were my child and I found this forum I don't know how I would feel. I promised I will always be honest, even if it might get some angry with me. Even though my son was 25 he still lived at home- had a full time job, but lived at home to due to my health. He was my child- a man in every way but my baby, my son, my child. When children get married or move out, have partners or they have children they're no longer your babies but when they're still living at home they're still your baby. If Shawn was my daughter I would feel the mental health profession totally failed my child in every way. I'm assuming she had a therapist. I'm not going to bash or say anything to pour salt in that womans wounds. I would not wish the loss of a child on my worst enemy. This forum is so much more than what they think it is. The compassion here , the peer to peer support being able to let out how you feel is somewhat of a relief. In all honesty unless someone has felt such depression, sadness, brokeness they cannot understand. They might be able to get some things changed on the forum like methods but they can't get the forum shut down.

Sometimes when parents loose their child they try to change things, it's their focus rather than focusing on the loss of their child. Read below...

My brother witnessed an accident just past a yr ago. A man on a motorcycle lay bleeding and people just took pics or videos. He thought about my son in his accident and held this man. My brother put his hands on this mans heart and it was fading, he yelled to the cops his hearts fading the cop just said you're doing good sir ems is on the way. This man died in my brothers arms. He was 24 yrs old. His mother instantly went into a mode of fighting to change some laws. She fought hard- I couldn't believe the strength she had. a week before the 1yr of his death in sept she lost her battle in court-and has fallen apart now. We are friends on facebook because my brother held her son and provided comfort to him in his final moments.

I agree with you that she is trying to change things, to prevent that what happened to her child will happen to others. But she is doing it in the complete wrong way. She is free to waste her money in a lawsuit and make a lawyer more wealthy; she should realize that the high chance of loss will only make her situation worse.
There is nothing to sympathize with a mother that is attacking random people for revenge, displaying their pictures as if they were criminal and responsible for the death of her child. I had a few messages with some of those people. Some of them might already be dead. Some might still be struggling with their depression. What is she trying to achieve by condemning them? Does she want to make them feel even more rejected? Or is she insulting dead people? Can't she have some compassion for those souls?
She is clearly not smart enough. And she is not surrounding herself with people that are able to give her the right support.
To me, she is totally disgusting; she is attacking people that, like her son, are just victims of abuse, or an unfair life. And she will only create more victims.

 

[Deleted member 22650]

It has always been in the best interest of society to make sure that its members do not commit suicide. After all, you always need people to look down on, people that serve as negative examples. "Work hard in school, or you end up like that loser" "Go study hard, you dont want to be like him". Even in older times the peasants were tricked to keep on living shitty lives by promise of salvation in the afterlife... "work hard and go to heaven".

It's all bullshit. Life has no intrinsic meaning and the ruling classes know it. They need to supress views like ours, because cascading suicides will shake up society too much and their house of cards would crumble. Less people to work their shitty jobs that pay too little, less people to pay taxes so that the few can live good lives with happy families.

I would heart this x1000 times if I could

 

[AJ95]

fucking angry boomer moms

based as always

this petition won't do anything

 

[dilapidatedMind]

I want to lick their tears

 

[nerve]

Poor woman.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

I would recommend that we insert in our signature that the reproduction of our message, even if partial, is not allowed outside of this website and that the person copying the message without authorization can be legally pursued. Or something like that. There should be similar phrases in internet, written more professionally.
This should discourage the unauthorized use of our messages.

 

[epic]

Make my health problems go away and I will be off this site the next minute.

 

[voidman]

It's all virtue signaling Karens. Maybe 5% actually care, and most of them will forget they even signed it the next day. Nothing will happen.

 

[Emily_Numb]

Sorry to break it to these people, but a lot of peoples trauma and mental health issues stem from pretty shitty parenting. Maybe if society taught people how to be better parents, to be supportive, substance free, understanding, compassionate, loving etc, we wouldn't have quite so many suicides.

 

[epic]

It's all virtue signaling Karens. Maybe 5% actually care, and most of them will forget they even signed it the next day. Nothing will happen.

Not really, I think almost all of them care but most people are not in a position to offer any substantial help . They think signing the petition and shutting down this website is offering help. When in reality, it's not changing anything on the ground.