Discussion people who think ctb should be accessible,

[cats333]

just a question for people who think that suicide shouldnt be illegal and that people who think ctb is wrong/should stay illegal are wrong, do you think it should be accessible to minors/certain age? do u guys think theres an age where these feelings should be taken seriously? like for example, if u were to think that once u turn 13 you should be able to ctb legally, because etc etc. this question popped into my head at 2 am and ive been very curious ever since

 

[Praestat_Mori]

When minors become suicidal there's sth going wrong in their families where they have to live in.

 

[cats333]

When minors become suicidal there's sth going wrong in their families where they have to live in.

yeah, absolutely! but a lot of people who end up with suicidal ideation could tell u it stems from family problems, so my question was more of a, at what point in life do people consider it okay to ctb

 

[Praestat_Mori]

yeah, absolutely! but a lot of people who end up with suicidal ideation could tell u it stems from family problems, so my question was more of a, at what point in life do people consider it okay to ctb

18+ when people are adults according to accepted law, but even though it may be hard to try "everything" to avoid CTB it should be the very last option in any case and at any age 18+ if there is really no other way out. SI will always be the best protection in the end.

 

[Sluggish_Slump]

Currently peaceful suicide is mostly inaccessible even to elderly that are not terminally ill... Society is light years away from ever accepting suicide in general because it knows that the world is shit and too many people would swallow the pill to exit before they are fully used up to run an economy.

 

[SpiritualDeath]

f age restrictions I'm for universal and unconditional right to die.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Personally- I think assisted suicide should be available to adults when they have turned 18. I think there should still be safeguards though. Some sort of assessment where they are offered help but not forced to accept it. I think a 6 month waiting period should be in force to stop impulsive suicides. I think where possible- families should be told.

For assisted suicide to be sustainable, it will need to be accepted by wider society. The moment an 18 year old disappears without telling their family and turns up dead at the hands of a legalised clinic- you can bet there would be protests in the street! How many of you younger members think your parents would be ok with you being killed by legal means without them even knowing?!!

Honestly, I think people who think assisted suicide should be available to all- no questions asked, no restrictions are living in the clouds. Maybe they have this fantasy that they'll be the first one to get it but you can bet it would be stopped straight after and everyone else would be screwed! I just think pratically- there would need to be some gatekeeping measures for the programme to remain sustainable.

Personally, I'd love to see it more accessible but I doubt it will be for a very long time yet. I reckon our whole way of living- capitalism/ consummerism would have to end for governments to think it would be a good idea to let tax paying and product buying minions off themselves. Plus- I doubt most parents will ever be that keen.

 

[Nyotei]

do you think it should be accessible to minors/certain age?

No, of course not. This is not something we should normalize or accept. First of all, suicide is already legal. If you believe that ctb should be a socially acceptable act with more ease of access, you should be for responsible decision making. Anyone who isn't, I would personally be questioning if they are actually old enough to participate in this forum (or engaging in good faith). This is why we have the age of consent...

There's a reason children cannot consent to legally binding contracts or engage in sexual acts, anything that may have long term consequences they aren't capable of recognising beforehand. The notion of allowing minors to make a decision about ending their own life is absurd and is not what pro-choice discussion should be about. Of course we should still take their feelings seriously, as we should towards anyone who is suicidal. But taking someone seriously does not necessarily mean enabling them to always make their own choices regardless of their age, maturity, potential disability or state of mind.

 

[FuneralCry]

Allowing access to a peaceful suicide actually is the most compassionate thing, as after all we never constented to being in this cruel and futile existence in the first place where chance so senselessly determines everything.

It's horrifying to make it so people have to struggle to cease existing, I don't see how death is supposedly "bad" as all problems and suffering are as a result of existence, nobody can be harmed by not existing after all and we are all just waiting to die anyway.
If one wants to die in peace then that's their personal decision, I don't see how it's something for other people to decide as it's not their existence, it's none of their business.

 

[cats333]

Personally- I think assisted suicide should be available to adults when they have turned 18. I think there should still be safeguards though. Some sort of assessment where they are offered help but not forced to accept it. I think a 6 month waiting period should be in force to stop impulsive suicides. I think where possible- families should be told.

For assisted suicide to be sustainable, it will need to be accepted by wider society. The moment an 18 year old disappears without telling their family and turns up dead at the hands of a legalised clinic- you can bet there would be protests in the street! How many of you younger members think your parents would be ok with you being killed by legal means without them even knowing?!!

Honestly, I think people who think assisted suicide should be available to all- no questions asked, no restrictions are living in the clouds. Maybe they have this fantasy that they'll be the first one to get it but you can bet it would be stopped straight after and everyone else would be screwed! I just think pratically- there would need to be some gatekeeping measures for the programme to remain sustainable.

Personally, I'd love to see it more accessible but I doubt it will be for a very long time yet. I reckon our whole way of living- capitalism/ consummerism would have to end for governments to think it would be a good idea to let tax paying and product buying minions off themselves. Plus- I doubt most parents will ever be that keen.

yeah, ive always wondered how assisted suicide would work legally since it might be taken as taking advantage of the mentally ill for a hospitals benefit or something along those lines, also wish there was a better mental health system because the way kids are dealing with very adult and intense emotions is heartbreaking to see around you

No, of course not. This is not something we should normalize or accept. First of all, suicide is already legal. If you believe that ctb should be a socially acceptable act with more ease of access, you should be for responsible decision making. Anyone who isn't, I would personally be questioning if they are actually old enough to participate in this forum (or engaging in good faith). This is why we have the age of consent...

There's a reason children cannot consent to legally binding contracts or engage in sexual acts, anything that may have long term consequences they aren't capable of recognising beforehand. The notion of allowing minors to make a decision about ending their own life is absurd and is not what pro-choice discussion should be about. Of course we should still take their feelings seriously, as we should towards anyone who is suicidal. But taking someone seriously does not necessarily mean enabling them to always make their own choices regardless of their age, maturity, potential disability or state of mind.

totally agree with you here!!! this is my point pf view as well but i was super curious on what others who think ctb should be accessible thought as well, considering the brain "develops fully" at 25, and 18 is the most used response

 

[Morte]

It should be accessible to everyone, regardless of age. No one asks to be born and we owe nothing to this life. If someone is suffering and no longer wants to live, its their right to leave and it is not up to anyone to decide otherwise. People who want to decide for minors just because they are older, they are just pro lifers in disguise. Their arguments don't differ much from what pro lifers say to attack us.

 

[Forever Sleep]

yeah, ive always wondered how assisted suicide would work legally since it might be taken as taking advantage of the mentally ill for a hospitals benefit or something along those lines, also wish there was a better mental health system because the way kids are dealing with very adult and intense emotions is heartbreaking to see around you

totally agree with you here!!! this is my point pf view as well but i was super curious on what others who think ctb should be accessible thought as well, considering the brain "develops fully" at 25, and 18 is the most used response

Mental illness is a rather contentious issue. I think someone absolutely needs to demonstrate mental competency to be allowed to make the decision. But I expect- herein lies the problem- getting physicians to agree that someone with a mental illness- say depression can still be mentally competent.

Ironic really- how many people in job positions responsible for other people's lives do you suppose there are out there with some form of mental illness? Doctors, pilots, police, surgeons, firefighters, army personnel, train drivers etc. So- they can be trusted to make life changing/ending decissions every single day on behaf of other people but they can't make that decision for themselves? Sometimes- I feel like we should all be on benefits or we should all be allowed access to assisted suicide. If being suicidal means we are that cognitively impaired- I don't see how they expect us to do anything! You know what? I'll live on a little longer if they're willing to pay me!

Regarding youngsters though- you'd really hope that either their parents, their family, their care givers, their teachers, their local doctors, their therapist, their friends would have something to say if coercion was looking possible. I'd say the opposite end of the spectrum- the elderly. Those suffering from dementia. Even those who simply don't want to be a burden on their families are in fact far more at risk. They likely have fewer people around them. Some unscrupulous families may even be trying to bump them off!

 

[verybabybunny]

For minors in the case of terminal illness, yes. 18+ otherwise.

If you can sell your soul to the United States government and be shot or blown up at 18, you should certainly be allowed bodily autonomy.

 

[aGoodDayToDie]

I think if you're under 18, you need to have a very unpleasant condition that is unlikely to improve if you want to die. But over 18, I think your illnesses are irrelevant. As long as you want to die consistently for over 12 months, you should be helped to die, or if you have an incredibly painful illness and pain meds aren't working, you should be allowed to die straight away. Fuck the gate keepers of euthanasia. I wish them all excruciating lives. Fuck them. Let THEM suffer and see what real suffering is. They fucking deserve it

 

[notherenotnow]

I don't think anyone should decide whether or not someone can commit suicide or not. If a 7 year old wants to do it, I wish them luck. if a 70 year old wants to do it - again, I wish them luck. There shouldnt be any restrictions for such a natural thing as suicide.

 

[jbear824]

I've wanted to die since I was 7. I knew I wanted it then and I still want it now. My take is, regardless of age, if the person understands what death really means and they want that, who is anyone to say they can't? No one should be forced to exist for any reason, and certainly not for the comfort of others.

Does the idea of minors CTB make you upset? Well that's your problem to deal with. Go to therapy, smoke some weed. It doesn't give anyone the right to withhold death. Who do people think they are, gods? Psssh.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Yeah, I believe anybody should be allowed access of assisted suicide regardless of age. Just because people are too biased for minors doesn't mean it shouldn't be accessible for them

 

[doomedtolive]

i think that more support should be offered to kids showing symptoms of mental illness. parents should pay more attention, let it be known that they shouldn't hide their feelings. teachers should pay attention. maybe if more people cared in supporting the kid when they need help it won't manifest into suffering; that'll make them look to ctb

 

[Intoxicated]

do you think it should be accessible to minors/certain age?

Yes, but with limitations. It might be accessible for everyone (regardless of age) who has terminal illness, incurable or potentially incurable intense chronic pains experienced during 1 year or more, after passing exams that would prove understanding the existing options and their possible consequences.

 

[BlackMoon]

Anyone who's against the freedom to end their life of somebody because of their age is pro-life and adultist.

 

[IWishToDie]

just a question for people who think that suicide shouldnt be illegal and that people who think ctb is wrong/should stay illegal are wrong, do you think it should be accessible to minors/certain age? do u guys think theres an age where these feelings should be taken seriously? like for example, if u were to think that once u turn 13 you should be able to ctb legally, because etc etc. this question popped into my head at 2 am and ive been very curious ever since

I would say age of majority is suitable, ie. 18,21 depending on jurisdiction. Maybe go through a few tests wait a few days or weeks whatever then here you go take the medicine if you want to die. If it's a right to live, it's a right to die. Period. There would have to be checks and balances in place but ultimately they shouldn't stop you just because you're not terminally ill or crippled or something like that. Anyway, one can dream.