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Toptock

Experienced
Jun 6, 2020
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There are too many people who can't love themselves for one reason or another. Those who escaped that pit, regardless as to whether or not you still feel depression, how did you learn how to love yourself? Not the specific steps (ie: going to the gym, daily affirmations etc)

How did you accept "I'm worth this breath, and the next, and the next"?
 
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MichaelNomad123

MichaelNomad123

Jesus
Oct 15, 2020
433
A lot of time and effort. I had to hit a type of rock bottom first. For me this was being rejected by the mental health crisis team, being chucked outside in the dead of winter, followed by being removed from the premises by security on the day that my homelife had reached peak abuse status and my school work was going down the toilet. I got a taxi home and realized that I was entirely alone in the world and there was nothing and no one that could save me. If I was to carry on, it was by myself.

Two events are linked to this one that resulted in my current self. In my teenage years, I was in a very similar situation as the above (which was my mid 20s). My escape was an internet community for WC3. When abuse hit peak and I was about to go insane, I talked with a friend of a friend that was a philosopher. They told me that I was entirely alone and that my fate was my own. At the time, I was reaching out to anyone to help me. I was screaming, crying, shouting, as if someone was going to save me. I knew the injustice of what was happening around me, but I was powerless to stop it and all I could do was complain. I was pissed at this guy for saying this to me in my darkest hour. Even today, I probably wouldn't talk to him. He was right though.

The other event that really solidified the path that I am now on was in my late 20s. I was in a disaster relationship in a squalid hole of a house in Belfast. Piles of rotten food on unwashed dishes, unhappy relationship, drinking problem, smoking problem and I grew my own weed for personal use. We didn't have money for heating and it was a bad winter. She fucked off back to her parents and left me with the cats for the whole of Christmas. My office was a box room with terrible windows that barely opened. I smoked my head off and eventually developed bronchitis. I couldn't breath. I would crawl to my desk every day and try to make money with my friend online while drinking my liver to death and smoking my lungs to oblivion. My friend and I would talk for long hours, normally until I fell asleep in my chair. Philosophy, politics, you name it. I realized one day that absolutely everything on this earth is entirely subject to debate. I refined this further to a realization that truth is entirely relative. You can justify anything. My opinion doesn't matter as much as yours doesn't, because at the end of the day we're going to believe whatever we want to believe. I cannot impact your will in any significant way. I refined this to a soundbite and even a mantra that I repeat to myself even to this day. It is, "everything is relative".

So I learned to love myself. I am handsome, extremely clever, entirely dysfunctional, an absolute waste of space and I will likely not contribute anything significant in my time. My fate is my own. My mind is my mind. I am entirely invincible and likely fractured beyond repair. If I die, it will be my will. If I live, it will be by my hand. No one helped me become who I am directly. I just learned how not to be a shitty person by proxy. I taught myself how to be a fair man. The only thing that was ever taught to me were strong morals, for which I am grateful. Everything else I taught myself. I have no brothers or sisters to guide me. My mother paid the bills and that was it. My grandparents lived their own lives.

I am self-made in absolute, regardless of the fact that what I made is a pile of shit. It's my pile of shit and I own it. It isn't really about loving yourself. It's about owning yourself. It's about being responsible for your development. I will tell you what the philosopher told me, which is that no one is going to save you. No one is going to help you. You are alone. Just you, on your world, in your universe. You have to survive, if you want to survive, and it has to be by your own hand. You will come to respect true strength and in turn come to respect yourself for growing out of the prison you've made for yourself. Good luck.
 
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Sinkinshyp

Sinkinshyp

Paragon
Sep 7, 2020
947
I had no choice. I became a single mom at 20. I do not regret it at all, it made me who I became and I am proud of the woman I was when my son died. I am not proud of who I am after he died. That's 1 tiny step at a time.. Being a single mom my son needed me stable. I was all he had and he was all I had. I posted in seasoned member advice thread- theres some good advice on there for you. Try to find positive in you every day. Even if it's hey I woke up and went to school or I woke up and made it through a day at work.. my eyes look really nice, I wanted to yell at that guy who pushed me at the store but I kindly said excuse me sir and smiled. Something positive. Even if you tell yourself the SAME thing everyday. Once you are comfortable telling yourself 1 positive thing add another. Everyone makes positive and negative actions, choices everyday. Find your positive.

Spend some time outside. Lay in the grass, sand, front yard- look up at the sky. See whats in the clouds, listen to the birds. Nature finds a way to help us relax. If we listen sometimes it helps us find peace and comfort.
 
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VivaldiBR

VivaldiBR

Experienced
Oct 4, 2020
249
Really loving yourself is a lifetime job. It's not overnight. But I think it starts with a mixture of therapy, practices, reading and a lot of self-knowledge. Every path is different. And vanity has nothing to do with self-love
 
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Symbiote

Global Mod
Oct 12, 2020
3,101
I don't really think of it in those terms. I think it's more of the actions I make that determines if I decide if I'm worthy of life or not. I'm still working, I enjoy my job immensely, and consider myself high-functioning. I can figure out what I want to do next or how I am going to achieve something rather than letting my mind go stale and let the thoughts invade. The longer I stay in my toxic environment without a plan to get out, the more I am unable to see a way out. I want to remove the toxic stuff out of my life so I can heal from it and be a better person.
 
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stygal

stygal

low-wage worker
Oct 29, 2020
1,732
I used to hate myself since early childhood. Whether it be for my looks, my dysfunctional body or my (what I thought because I was told) low IQ.
But then came a time when I was somehow "popular" in my early twenties(...probably somehow due to a different circle of friends at that time) and even though it did not last it gave me the feeling of being worth at least something.
And this little boost of my ego made it though that I now feel completely neutral towards myself - in the end I'm no less or more worth of having my basic needs met then anyone else in the world.
I think before anyone can truly love themselves (I am not there either - since I'd definitely change some things about myself especially my disability) they have to adapt an external view of their person and treat oneself just neutral and through repetition maybe it can grow into "love".
 
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Boredsapiens

Boredsapiens

Ignorance is bliss.
Apr 29, 2020
35
I was very depressed last year. Basically, I'd spent all day on Reddit browsing subs related to suicide, depression, self-loathing, self-harm, etc. After some time I realized that I wasn't doing anything to relieve my pain. I had even planned suicide by partial suspension, though failed. After all of this I said "enough is enough. I'm tired of all of this bullshit, and I will give life one more chance." And I did give life one more chance. And I'm glad I did. I spent a lot of time with myself alone. I'd go on walks for 5 or 6 hours on weekends, with myself and no one else. I scrutinized my past to find reasons to love myself. I looked at my childhood pictures and saw that cute little boy. I actually fell in love with my little self and thought about all the dreams he once had. And since I was that same boy but older now, I also wanted to love myself. I looked for my achievements which I had overlooked all this time. I remembered all the positive things people had told me in the past, and I tried to internalize them - not because those people admired me but because if I wasn't going to give myself the required love then no else would have to, either. I remembered all the efforts I had put to achieve those things, and I tried to embrace myself because of this. I looked at myself in the mirror every night and sent the guy in the mirror a little love. I didn't use any affirmations or that kind of thing since they hadn't worked for me in the past. I had worked really hard for my studies the year before, and the results came little by little toward the end of the summer. It was like a new page was opening in my life. Despite all this, there was still that void inside me. Even though I wasn't hating myself anymore, I wasn't in deep love with myself either. I was very lonely and the only two friends I had were living very far from me. This made me think that I'm not interesting enough for most people so they don't want to be friends with me. This thought made me feel very depressed, and I wanted to get rid of this feeling asap. I wasn't going to distract myself with dark stuff on the internet this time since I had learned its consequences the hard way. I started to download a lot of apps to no avail. After a lot of trial and error, I found a real person who was actually interested in me. Though it took me ages to find that person, so the process wasn't easy. The key component here is hope. I hoped. All the time. Without hope, I wouldn't be here. And I'm still hoping. There are some good things going on in my life, and I try to appreciate those things. I still have suicidal thoughts most of the time. I am trying to live with them because they do not seem to disappear. But this time I have hope within myself. As I stated before, since I spent a lot of time with myself alone, I rediscovered some of my past hobbies such as drawing. Whenever I feel down, I draw something and appreciate my work afterward. It genuinely makes me happy. So finding hobbies was really useful for me. Hobbies make me feel like I contribute to this world in one way or another, which in turn makes me feel like a valued person, even if those hobbies don't have any meaning in the grand scheme of things. They're meaningful as long as I give them my meaning.

So do I fully love myself? No. But what's more important here is I don't hate myself anymore. I love myself to a degree, and I'm fine with that as long as there is no hate. My parents love me, and I love them too. My friends, however few, appreciate my existence, and so do I.
 
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Ghost2211

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Jan 20, 2020
6,017
I don't love or hate myself. I accept myself for who I am. I got there by acknowledging what I do well, and putting more focus into the positive than the negative. I don't look at the negative elements of me as failures but rather things that I would like to improve.
 
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netrezven

Mage
Dec 13, 2018
515
i'm like "what's not to like" :)
 
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Marchioness

Marchioness

Eternal sleep
Feb 17, 2020
296
Shadow work.

Society likes to pretend they are always good. Look at the worst parts of yourself and love them, they are still you. I talk to my shadow side when something feels off, it tells me what my fears, my faults, etc. are that are bothering me. I listen to it, mentally see myself hugging them and I feel great after. I'm friends with my inner demons most of the time.
 
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Gaybonez

Gaybonez

vegan jesus
Nov 30, 2020
208
There are too many people who can't love themselves for one reason or another. Those who escaped that pit, regardless as to whether or not you still feel depression, how did you learn how to love yourself? Not the specific steps (ie: going to the gym, daily affirmations etc)

How did you accept "I'm worth this breath, and the next, and the next"?
I just felt like a moron and didn't want to deal with pain anymore. I don't think I ever hated myself that much, if at all. Or at least in the traditional sense.
 
signifying nothing

signifying nothing

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Sep 13, 2020
2,553
I try to suspend as much judgement of myself as I can. That goes not just for how I feel about myself, good or bad, but also who I am, who I've been, who I will be.
 
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LittleJem

Visionary
Jul 3, 2019
2,598
Ayahuasca took away my self hatred. I still have depression but not the self hatred.
 
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notreallynow

Member
Oct 21, 2020
56
I don't think it really is possible to love yourself. In the same way, it's impossible to really see your own face. A reflection or photo, is only an image. Trying to love yourself feels a bit like trying to lick your own elbow.
This is the opposite way to what you're supposed to do, but I think if you manage to love others it makes the self hatred less. Q : did narcissus love himself? No. He loved the lovely bright empty pool, not knowing what he was looking at.
People are more alike than they are different. If you really love someone ( and by love I don't mean 6 years of marriage or bank accounts or trust or whatever, I mean just that feeling where the idea of someone being unhappy sends a little stab through your solar plexus) then you have to understand them a little. And what you understand, is because you recognise it, because it is part of you also. And this common part of you, you see more clearly than you could ever understand yourself. There is none of that painful subjectivity. You are looking at another person, not an image, seeing the same things which belong to you, and you find it loveable. Worth keeping and valuing.
I understand the idea of loving yourself or understanding yourself first, but it is a little to me like trying to study the natural world by examining your genitals in a hand-mirror. It might be fun at first, but there's a limit to how much you can understand through it, no?