KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,682
80 years of misery versus say, I dunno, 25 years of pleasure and fulfillment, is not the path I want to take. Yet this is the expectation we are saddled with at birth, live as long as possible- even if merely being conscious is agonising for you.

This world is obsessed with prolonging life, rather than increasing the value, quality, and enjoyment of it. For the majority of human history and civilization, people and animals have suffered in cruel and injust ways, yet this was seen as a necessary sacrifice in exchange in return for the gift of life. Survive and reproduce programming was operating at full force.

The advent of religion only solidified this mantra. You should feel blessed to be alive, no matter how listless and torturous that existence is. There is something inherently special and beautiful about life, that has been bestowed upon us by some magnanimous creator.

This poses the question, what is the benefit of self-awareness if it inevitably leads you to question this idea? Why do we value life so much (as a basal state of being) rather than valuing the measurement of one's satisfaction in life? Why force existence upon those who are clearly suffering and begging for a way out of what feels like a never ending trap?

People project their own fear of death unto the suicidal, or anyone who is nonchalant about mortality. There is a culture of "health" and longevity, but not true wellness. If a person enjoys something that may decrease their lifespan, and subsequently, their productivity, the object of enjoyment will be demonised. No one stops to think that without things to make it bearable, life will be a meaningless slog. You'll have no reason to go on if you're simply surviving and existing without purpose and joy.

This is why we have a borderline nanny state in many countries. By default, most people think life should be sustained at any cost. Think of doctors and health care staff who knowingly and willingly extend the suffering of those who were in terrible accidents- individuals who will never walk, talk, eat, think, breathe, or wake on their own without the aid of machines.

This doesn't just apply to people who will never be conscious again and are permanently paralyzed. The health care field fucks over the general populace everyday due to this enshrined bias of quantity of life having more value than quality. Think of how villified painkillers have become in many countries. Even if someone's quality of life suffers greatly due to intense, sustained, chronic pain, the majority of doctors and health care workers care more about saving their own asses from liability rather than what is best for you.

No one factors quality of life into the equation. I don't give a shit if opioids decrease my lifespan by a few years, my lifespan is already shortened because I'm ill, and I would rather have some semblance of relief than spend the entire duration of it laid up in pain. People chastise me about taking other drugs like weed, as if this country doesn't have a drinking problem and a fixation with a far worse drug- alcohol.

This phenomenon trickles down into other aspects of life. I've had other women berate me because I can't wear a tampon, saying it's "not healthy to be afraid of penetration". First off, who gets to decide what is healthy and what isn't? Why is it anyone's business it I choose to wear a tampon or a pad? They aren't the ones who had to be traumatized and scarred for life by sexual abuse, yet they want to make judgements about "health" as the reality of the situation makes them uncomfortable.

This attitude underpins the attitude of the "get the help you need" crowd as well. They don't seem to actually care what is best for the individual in question, a great deal of them are more concerned with their own issues, and simply want you to be quiet and leave them alone because the subject is too stressful. By branding the suffering individual as someone who has refused help, rather than acknowledging that the help is not actually working, it's easier to shift blame and pretend that systemic issues in the health care industry do not exist.

The same applies to people who do actually mean well and worry about your wellbeing. The vast majority of humans will never accept ctb as a valid option, even as an absolute last resort. So rather than respecting your wishes, and evaluating if there are any other options left, people jump the gun and start getting accusatory, calling you selfish, mentally ill, delusional, and whatnot.

In my opinion, life is meaningless without some semblance of happiness. By trying to micromanage every aspect of it to prolong existence rather than prolonging pleasure, we are subjected to an extortionately exploitative rat race where everyone competes for survival. I don't think that life can be perfect, not by any means, you cannot plan, design, and craft something subject to entropic chaos after all.

However, I don't think my life is worth living if I get 0 freedom or agency in my decisions or the resources available to me, on account of my supposed health. I am tired of being disabled, hurting, and in pain. I want to be here for a good time, not a long time, and I'm sure many would agree. Just some ramblings I have while waiting for my SN and meto to arrive.

What do you all think?
 
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heretogethelp

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May 3, 2021
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80 years of misery versus say, I dunno, 25 years of pleasure and fulfillment, is not the path I want to take. Yet this is the expectation we are saddled with at birth, live as long as possible- even if merely being conscious is agonising for you.

This world is obsessed with prolonging life, rather than increasing the value, quality, and enjoyment of it. For the majority of human history and civilization, people and animals have suffered in cruel and injust ways, yet this was seen as a necessary sacrifice in exchange in return for the gift of life. Survive and reproduce programming was operating at full force.

The advent of religion only solidified this mantra. You should feel blessed to be alive, no matter how listless and torturous that existence is. There is something inherently special and beautiful about life, that has been bestowed upon us by some magnanimous creator.

This poses the question, what is the benefit of self-awareness if it inevitably leads you to question this idea? Why do we value life so much (as a basal state of being) rather than valuing the measurement of one's satisfaction in life? Why force existence upon those who are clearly suffering and begging for a way out of what feels like a never ending trap?

People project their own fear of death unto the suicidal, or anyone who is nonchalant about mortality. There is a culture of "health" and longevity, but not true wellness. If a person enjoys something that may decrease their lifespan, and subsequently, their productivity, the object of enjoyment will be demonised. No one stops to think that without things to make it bearable, life will be a meaningless slog. You'll have no reason to go on if you're simply surviving and existing without purpose and joy.

This is why we have a borderline nanny state in many countries. By default, most people think life should be sustained at any cost. Think of doctors and health care staff who knowingly and willingly extend the suffering of those who were in terrible accidents- individuals who will never walk, talk, eat, think, breathe, or wake on their own without the aid of machines.

This doesn't just apply to people who will never be conscious again and are permanently paralyzed. The health care field fucks over the general populace everyday due to this enshrined bias of quantity of life having more value than quality. Think of how villified painkillers have become in many countries. Even if someone's quality of life suffers greatly due to intense, sustained, chronic pain, the majority of doctors and health care workers care more about saving their own asses from liability rather than what is best for you.

No one factors quality of life into the equation. I don't give a shit if opioids decrease my lifespan by a few years, my lifespan is already shortened because I'm ill, and I would rather have some semblance of relief than spend the entire duration of it laid up in pain. People chastise me about taking other drugs like weed, as if this country doesn't have a drinking problem and a fixation with a far worse drug- alcohol.

This phenomenon trickles down into other aspects of life. I've had other women berate me because I can't wear a tampon, saying it's "not healthy to be afraid of penetration". First off, who gets to decide what is healthy and what isn't? Why is it anyone's business it I choose to wear a tampon or a pad? They aren't the ones who had to be traumatized and scarred for life by sexual abuse, yet they want to make judgements about "health" as the reality of the situation makes them uncomfortable.

This attitude underpins the attitude of the "get the help you need" crowd as well. They don't seem to actually care what is best for the individual in question, a great deal of them are more concerned with their own issues, and simply want you to be quiet and leave them alone because the subject is too stressful. By branding the suffering individual as someone who has refused help, rather than acknowledging that the help is not actually working, it's easier to shift blame and pretend that systemic issues in the health care industry do not exist.

The same applies to people who do actually mean well and worry about your wellbeing. The vast majority of humans will never accept ctb as a valid option, even as an absolute last resort. So rather than respecting your wishes, and evaluating if there are any other options left, people jump the gun and start getting accusatory, calling you selfish, mentally ill, delusional, and whatnot.

In my opinion, life is meaningless without some semblance of happiness. By trying to micromanage every aspect of it to prolong existence rather than prolonging pleasure, we are subjected to an extortionately exploitative rat race where everyone competes for survival. I don't think that life can be perfect, not by any means, you cannot plan, design, and craft something subject to entropic chaos after all.

However, I don't think my life is worth living if I get 0 freedom or agency in my decisions or the resources available to me, on account of my supposed health. I am tired of being disabled, hurting, and in pain. I want to be here for a good time, not a long time, and I'm sure many would agree. Just some ramblings I have while waiting for my SN and meto to arrive.

What do you all think?
I hate life & want to ctb by SN overdose. However, I think my mum will intercept it & throw it away.
 
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ClownMe

ClownMe

Don't Cry for Me, I'm Already Dead
Apr 7, 2021
20,561
I agree. Humans shouldn't live as long as they do nowadays, it's actually morally wrong in my opinion. I cant comment because im only 20 but from what I've seen/heard, you slowly begin to deteriorate around 50, but that depends on the individual (some deteriorate even earlier!)
 
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whywere

Visionary
Jun 26, 2020
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YIKES! Should I even answer this question since I am 65 years young??? Like @ClownMe said after 50 it is down hill, well I must be at the bottom of the hill then! LOL, LMAO. Now getting serious for a bit, I have always said that life is quality not quantity. I have 24/7 chronic pain that is progressive in nature and I was told I might end up in a wheelchair from the car crash someday, NOPE, I have different plans than a dumb wheelchair. Oh, sorry I have to go get my wrinkle cream, prune juice, hearing aids, and glasses, LOL, LMAO. Love to everyone! Walter
 
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TheAmazingCriswell

TheAmazingCriswell

I predict...
Apr 28, 2021
1,351
An excellent essay, but I think your premise can be generalised:
People care more about quantity than quality in general.
The explanation is simple: quantity is easier to measure than quality by far.
I also believe that most people are either too simple minded or too superficial to recognise quality, whereas every brute is impressed by prolificness.

This poses the question, what is the benefit of self-awareness if it inevitably leads you to question this idea?
Self-awareness has no intrinsic benefit, and one might argue that it is a curse.
People project their own fear of death unto the suicidal, or anyone who is nonchalant about mortality.
The suicidal remind them that life is meaningless and suicide is a valid option, which is something these people try to ignore. As you put it:
They don't seem to actually care what is best for the individual in question, a great deal of them are more concerned with their own issues, and simply want you to be quiet and leave them alone because the subject is too stressful.
By trying to micromanage every aspect of it to prolong existence rather than prolonging pleasure
Most people are only concerned with prolonging their lives because they are satisfied with the quality of their lives or have never thought about these matters or simply accepted their suffering.
 
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deathisnear

Experienced
May 23, 2021
284
Wow, I have thought about this often and you put it into words so perfectly. I completely agree. It should be quality over quantity and we should all be respected when we know that time is up and we ctb instead of dragging out this miserable existence. I have been dead for years, I did some cool things, seen some cool places and have been done with life for years after that. Then the depression, anxiety etc took over and i've been miserable, sticking around for everyone else. But that ends soon, I have to ctb no matter what anyone else says, I know in my heart it's what I want and have wanted for so long.
 
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Symbiote

Global Mod
Oct 12, 2020
3,101
I agree. Quality of life should take precedence over quantity of life, especially in a capitalistic driven society where in America, you work until you're 65, before retiring, IF YOU ARE LUCKY, some people end up working until they drop dead. You work, make money, spend money to enjoy life, and then repeat. Quality of life depends on what you like to do in life and how much it'll cost whether it's your health, sanity, or financial. It's common to see senior citizens enjoying their life beyond 60+ years of age. Some start to kick the bucket at 80-90. Fuck having to wait that long to enjoy life. Enjoy life now until you hit the age where you can't run, jump, or play with people, then end it. I'm 37 now, I have about 23 more years until I'm 60. Quality of life is so-so, but nowhere close to what rich people get to enjoy with their trust fund money.

Once I get cancer or some terminal illness, I'm gonna kick the bucket rather than spend hundreds of thousands on health care that only diminishes the quality of life for me, but for others around me as well.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
37,016
I agree. I see the average human life as far too long. There is nothing good about old age, it is my greatest fear, watching myself mentally and physically decline, especially when I have health problems at a young age. People do like to assume that life has some sort of value as people view death as the worst option. They say 'at least they are still alive' if someone has survived an accident and they are in pain.

I'm not religious at all and I don't believe humans have any purpose apart from reproducing the next generation. There is no greater meaning and existence is literally pointless. Death makes all life meaningless. I think when we die there is nothing after.

This is why I think a right to die is essential, some people are given bad luck in this life such as awful health problems. It is unfair to insist on people suffering and take away methods of escaping this life. If some people want to live until they are old, that is fine but not everyone should be basically forced into it. But of course others would see the desire to die as irrational as they cannot comprehend it, they haven't been there themselves.
 
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WornOutLife

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Mar 22, 2020
7,164
Exactly!
Makes no sense!
Who on Earth wants to really live for +80 years???
No matter how much money, love, friends, family, children, grandchildren, etc you have, you'll just get older, dumber and sicker!!!!!

I wish I had been born as a caveman and died at my 30s while fighting a Lion! :(
 
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Amumu

Amumu

Ctb - temporary solution for a permanent problem
Aug 29, 2020
2,624
This, and we've also become increasingly fragile creatures with the advent of industrial civilisation.
I think most people aren't aware of how fragile we've become. No wonder the rate of depression in the West is high.

When you're only surviving - so you only focus on not being eaten and eating - you don't think about the quality of your life.
Which has been the case for thousands of years, until we discover the magic of fossil fuels.
 
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