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Another one: Soap star Billy Miller died from a gunshot wound, according to an autopsy report by the Travis County Medical Examiner obtained by NBC News.

People are just not happy!!! We're not the only one..
 
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I honestly feel like the only people that are happy in this world are selfish people that simply just DGAF.
 
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I honestly feel like the only people that are happy in this world are selfish people that simply just DGAF.
True! Because they are selfish nice people can't take toxic so they leave this shitty earth
 
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There are people who are happy based on ignorance.
There are some people who are happy based on their position in life.
There are some people who are happy because they achieved something world changing to them.
There are some people who are happy because of a belief system.

I accept that my ruined mind and soul are not the only mental paths.
More people want to live than the opposite. Some never even ask themselves the question.
It's all based on the individual.
 
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There are people who are happy based on ignorance.
There are some people who are happy based on their position in life.
There are some people who are happy because they achieved something world changing to them.
There are some people who are happy because of a belief system.

I accept that my ruined mind and soul are not the only mental paths.
More people want to live than the opposite. Some never even ask themselves the question.
It's all based on the individual.
Agreed! We had a get together with classmates on thanksgiving and none I mean none was happy! People with depression or suicidal thoughts tend to be smiley but now I understand from my own experience smiling means nothing maybe just to mask pain
 
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People can be happy, but I can understand why you see it this way. There's an ever-growing disparity between classes and therefore how much they can enjoy life. People used to be able to enjoy life because they had financial and mental freedom. Radicalisation of media as well as that aforementioned disparity has restricted some of that to the higher middle and upper classes of society, rather than it being an aspect of life for all. I would also suspect that you're not seeing happy people because you're here. There's a confirmation bias present with a lot of SaSu users, not just you, that suffering is a thing that everyone experiences in spades. Fortunately, that's not true, and we're just the ones who get it rough. Either that or we're just weak-willed and the rest of society copes just fine. Take your pick.
 
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You're absolutely correct and yes I'm not seeing happy people but not because I'm here it's because being happy is just a fake face I'm still young but I feel as if I'm 60 years old it's like " I had enough already I don't want to see the good or the bad"

I think I'm just weak…
 
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You're absolutely correct and yes I'm not seeing happy people but not because I'm here it's because being happy is just a fake face I'm still young but I feel as if I'm 60 years old it's like " I had enough already I don't want to see the good or the bad"

I think I'm just weak…
I feel this way too.
I blame technology. Men use to die around 30. Now we live to pass our 60s.
 
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People can be happy, but I can understand why you see it this way. There's an ever-growing disparity between classes and therefore how much they can enjoy life. People used to be able to enjoy life because they had financial and mental freedom. Radicalisation of media as well as that aforementioned disparity has restricted some of that to the higher middle and upper classes of society, rather than it being an aspect of life for all. I would also suspect that you're not seeing happy people because you're here. There's a confirmation bias present with a lot of SaSu users, not just you, that suffering is a thing that everyone experiences in spades. Fortunately, that's not true, and we're just the ones who get it rough. Either that or we're just weak-willed and the rest of society copes just fine. Take your pick.
I see a lot of people saying they are happy or at least seems to be, but following their lives, I realized that most of their time was dealing with stress/boredom/loneliness. They spend their life experiencing mostly negative or neutral feelings, while positive feelings are few. My bet is that happy moments are rare, so people tend to overestimate the greatness of these moments. Take that and add our natural programming to cling to life and despise death, ofc most of them will say they love life, even if theres no logical reason to love it.
 
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I see a lot of people saying they are happy or at least seems to be, but following their lives, I realized that most of their time was dealing with stress/boredom/loneliness. They spend their life experiencing mostly negative or neutral feelings, while positive feelings are few. My bet is that happy moments are rare, so people tend to overestimate the greatness of these moments. Take that and add our natural programming to cling to life and despise death, ofc most of them will say they love life, even if theres no logical reason to love it.
I think you're equating happiness with just joy here. Happiness has different degrees, joy being the more stereotypical yet extreme version of it. The vast majority of people experience contentment most of the time. It's not bliss, but it's certainly not unhappiness. I also think it's important to mention you can feel negative emotions at a moment and at the same time still be happy. I get bored very often, but I wouldn't say in those moments I was unhappy, I was just wanting more, yet I still could and would feel content. Same goes for stress and loneliness. It's not as black-and-white as "I feel happy level 1/2/3" or "I feel sad level 1/2/3"; there's nuance to emotion and they're not mutually exclusive, even in a given instant. Most people are always experiencing a "negative" or unwanted emotion like stress or boredom, but they're very unlikely to be "unhappy" as a result, they're just content with those conditions and don't really feel bad, just neutral. Happy moments aren't rare, nor are unhappy moments, but exclusively/overwhelmingly unhappy experiences are. After all, how many people do you see on a day-to-day basis feeling bad? On the other hand, what about happy? The answer is more happy than sad, but both are still (relatively) rare. Most just feel mild positivity (aka contentment or neutrality) and you can prove that by just walking around and looking at people. They're not obviously upset, nor happy, just content or neutral. Nothing more, nothing less.

SaSu users tend to neglect that nuance a lot, imo, and just see it as either "you're happy" or "you're sad." I feel confident enough in saying that lack of emotional knowledge or maturity doesn't exactly help with the mental health of anyone here, and it's worthwhile to teach people these things, rather than letting them mistakenly recognise a lack of extreme emotion for depression or sadness.
 
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I think you're equating happiness with just joy here. Happiness has different degrees, joy being the more stereotypical yet extreme version of it. The vast majority of people experience contentment most of the time. It's not bliss, but it's certainly not unhappiness. I also think it's important to mention you can feel negative emotions at a moment and at the same time still be happy. I get bored very often, but I wouldn't say in those moments I was unhappy, I was just wanting more, yet I still could and would feel content. Same goes for stress and loneliness. It's not as black-and-white as "I feel happy level 1/2/3" or "I feel sad level 1/2/3"; there's nuance to emotion and they're not mutually exclusive, even in a given instant. Most people are always experiencing a "negative" or unwanted emotion like stress or boredom, but they're very unlikely to be "unhappy" as a result, they're just content with those conditions and don't really feel bad, just neutral. Happy moments aren't rare, nor are unhappy moments, but exclusively/overwhelmingly unhappy experiences are. After all, how many people do you see on a day-to-day basis feeling bad? On the other hand, what about happy? The answer is more happy than sad, but both are still (relatively) rare. Most just feel mild positivity (aka contentment or neutrality) and you can prove that by just walking around and looking at people. They're not obviously upset, nor happy, just content or neutral. Nothing more, nothing less.

SaSu users tend to neglect that nuance a lot, imo, and just see it as either "you're happy" or "you're sad." I feel confident enough in saying that lack of emotional knowledge or maturity doesn't exactly help with the mental health of anyone here, and it's worthwhile to teach people these things, rather than letting them mistakenly recognise a lack of extreme emotion for depression or sadness.

except that most of the time feelings are one-dimensional, like you either feel hot or cold. When you are bored, you are unlikely to be happy. And when you're dealing with stress and loneliness too. Our brain wasnt designed for lasting happiness, because evolutionarily speaking, it is a feeling of comfort that would be useless. We perceive suffering much more than pleasure. Contentment was only made to be a quick/addictive effect, like a drug. This motivate us to continue its futile and endless rat race. Saying that people are "content" most of the time is a stretch, they just tolerate it.
I think the only difference between us and the rest of the population is that exceptionally sad moments happen more frequently in our lives and happy moments are fewer or non-existent.
 
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except that most of the time feelings are one-dimensional, like you either feel hot or cold. When you are bored, you are unlikely to be happy. And when you're dealing with stress and loneliness too. Our brain wasnt designed for lasting happiness, because evolutionarily speaking, it is a feeling of comfort that would be useless. We perceive suffering much more than pleasure. Contentment was only made to be a quick/addictive effect, like a drug. This motivate us to continue its futile and endless rat race. Saying that people are "content" most of the time is a stretch, they just tolerate it.
I think the only difference between us and the rest of the population is that exceptionally sad moments happen more frequently in our lives and happy moments are fewer or non-existent.
The sensations you were using as an example (hot and cold) aren't one-dimensional either. You can quantify something arbitrarily as 'hot' or 'cold', but then you can also separate between other units, like degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit. You can even differentiate between abstract concepts like "hot", "mild", "cold", "frigid", or even just within "hot" and "cold" themselves. 50 degrees Celsius and 30 degrees Celsius are both hot, but one is obviously hotter than the other. If there is anything more than a presence there of something (which would be one-dimensional) then it would be a two-dimensional value. That's what I'm getting at with "bored" and "happy". You can feel a little "bored" and still be "happy" because first, the value of "happy" can outweigh that of boredom, and second, "bored" and "happy" lie on different scales of measure. It's like trying to compare "rich" vs. "barbaric". There's a correlation, maybe, but they lie on two different axis.

And your concept of contentment is incorrect too. Contentment exists so that an organism knows when its needs are satiated. It's a temporary state of mind but to compare it to a drug is disingenuous. The entire point of contentment is to last. If it doesn't last, an organism needs to reach that state, or a higher one, as soon as possible. It's not meant to be something that's quick yet temporary and is so easily lost; it's a state that's intended to be preserved. Less like a drug, more like focus. You focus for a long time, but you lose it, and you want to regain it quickly.

I would also say most people are definitely content lol. Contentment isn't one absolute value, but a wide range of them. Mildly content, extremely content, somewhat content, whatever lies in between...all of them are still classified under contentment. Tolerance can still fall under the range of contentment too, because as I covered earlier in my comment, the feelings of "bored" and "happy" (or whatever you want to replace bored with) lie on two different axis. So long as the negative emotion is mild enough, you can still achieve a "positive" state.
 
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The sensations you were using as an example (hot and cold) aren't one-dimensional either. You can quantify something arbitrarily as 'hot' or 'cold', but then you can also separate between other units, like degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit. You can even differentiate between abstract concepts like "hot", "mild", "cold", "frigid", or even just within "hot" and "cold" themselves. 50 degrees Celsius and 30 degrees Celsius are both hot, but one is obviously hotter than the other. If there is anything more than a presence there of something (which would be one-dimensional) then it would be a two-dimensional value. That's what I'm getting at with "bored" and "happy". You can feel a little "bored" and still be "happy" because first, the value of "happy" can outweigh that of boredom, and second, "bored" and "happy" lie on different scales of measure. It's like trying to compare "rich" vs. "barbaric". There's a correlation, maybe, but they lie on two different axis.

And your concept of contentment is incorrect too. Contentment exists so that an organism knows when its needs are satiated. It's a temporary state of mind but to compare it to a drug is disingenuous. The entire point of contentment is to last. If it doesn't last, an organism needs to reach that state, or a higher one, as soon as possible. It's not meant to be something that's quick yet temporary and is so easily lost; it's a state that's intended to be preserved. Less like a drug, more like focus. You focus for a long time, but you lose it, and you want to regain it quickly.

I would also say most people are definitely content lol. Contentment isn't one absolute value, but a wide range of them. Mildly content, extremely content, somewhat content, whatever lies in between...all of them are still classified under contentment. Tolerance can still fall under the range of contentment too, because as I covered earlier in my comment, the feelings of "bored" and "happy" (or whatever you want to replace bored with) lie on two different axis. So long as the negative emotion is mild enough, you can still achieve a "positive" state.
Most people don't feel "little bored", as I said, negative feelings are basically their default feeling. It makes no sense to call yourself "happy" when most of your life you are not experiencing said happiness.

Where I worked, 55 hours per week, I'm pretty sure my co-workers weren't "content" while stuck 11 hours a day in that shithole of company, especially with the boss swearing and making the atmosphere unpleasant almost every Friday.
It's hilarious that some people still think the majority of the population is "content" even though most people live situations like that.

no, contentment wasnt made to last long, there is evolutionary evidence for this.


Even if you achieved your dream now, your mind would still find a way to make you miserable, because you will always want more. Lasting unhappiness is much more effective, while happiness only serves to be the "diamond", that vicious feeling that makes people run insanely after it because it never lasts that long.

The comparison with drugs fits. it is precisely that quick euphoria that makes people addicted - Just like everything we achieve, until we realize its no longer enough and we need 'more' to get that same effect. Just like a drug
 
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Most people don't feel "little bored", as I said, negative feelings are basically their default feeling. It makes no sense to call yourself "happy" when most of your life you are not experiencing said happiness.

Where I worked, 55 hours per week, I'm pretty sure my co-workers weren't "content" while stuck 11 hours a day in that shithole of company, especially with the boss swearing and making the atmosphere unpleasant almost every Friday.
It's hilarious that some people still think the majority of the population is "content" even though most people live situations like that.

no, contentment wasnt made to last long, there is evolutionary evidence for this.


Even if you achieved your dream now, your mind would still find a way to make you miserable, because you will always want more. Lasting unhappiness is much more effective, while happiness only serves to be the "diamond", that vicious feeling that makes people run insanely after it because it never lasts that long.

The comparison with drugs fits. it is precisely that quick euphoria that makes people addicted - Just like everything we achieve, until we realize its no longer enough and we need 'more' to get that same effect. Just like a drug
What do you think of the average person in society, that has a regular job (graduated from college), married with children, along with their own place to call home. They may go to church occasionally, and also have yearly vacations.

What are your thoughts? Since its somewhat majority of people in society. Realistically, how would you rate their overall happiness and contentment?
 
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What do you think of the average person in society, that has a regular job (graduated from college), married with children, along with their own place to call home. They may go to church occasionally, and also have yearly vacations.

What are your thoughts? Since its somewhat majority of people in society. Realistically, how would you rate their overall happiness and contentment?
It was a guy like that who changed my point of view. Before I thought more or less like Mistie, I just thought that poor people and those from third world countries like mine were mostly unhappy. This guy basically has everything you could dream of, like looks, money, talent, and we got into a discussion about life. He told me that he wasn't happy (although he seemed very happy) and he had never met anyone happy either, even in his high-class social circle. Even the rich spend most of their lives dealing with existential crises, unrequited relationships, unfulfilled dreams, work pressures, etc. Then he told me that no one is truly happy. i guess he is right, no one is happy, people "love" their misery

I'm sure that even if I get everything I want, all I would feel is a burst of happiness that could last years, but I'm also sure eventually I would return to a state of misery because I would get bored and want more. Thats how the brain is, its a torture machine.
 
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It was a guy like that who changed my point of view. Before I thought more or less like Mistie, I just thought that poor people and those from third world countries like mine were mostly unhappy. This guy basically has everything you could dream of, like looks, money, talent, and we got into a discussion about life. He told me that he wasn't happy (although he seemed very happy) and he had never met anyone happy either, even in his high-class social circle. Even the rich spend most of their lives dealing with existential crises, unrequited relationships, unfulfilled dreams, work pressures, etc. Then he told me that no one is truly happy. i guess he is right, no one is happy, people "love" their misery

I'm sure that even if I get everything I want, all I would feel is a burst of happiness that could last years, but I'm also sure eventually I would return to a state of misery because I would get bored and want more. Thats how the brain is, its a torture machine.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts

I been thinking.... Due to current advancement in technology and internet, do you think the new / younger generations are happier? Lets say even younger married couples in their 30's or 40's, with kids still in elementary school. I would imagine there is a difference

Previous generations had limited opportunities, information, and resources, unlike today, resulting in also being more vulnerable to different mistakes and problems over their life-time, ultimately limiting their quality of life

But in today's generation, people have more options. Could start businesses online, be self-employed and do gig apps (UBER, etc.), rent their place out on AIR BNB, etc. Along with more resources, therefore increasing their chance for better financial future. Also are aware of a lot more places to travel, places to eat, a lot more things to watch, more music and games to enjoy, able to avoid more life mistakes since there's so much information now

Once in a while, you would even find random couples / families that share their life on YouTube or Tik Tok, and it becoming an actual career, which also helps the whole family bond and share certain experiences, which never existed before in history

I have a feeling the newer generation are happier in general, compared to previous generations and eras. The previous seemed more dull and gray, while the newer seems more uplifting and colorful
 
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Those who managed to ctb really were so fortunate, I envy them for no longer being unable to suffer. The whole idea of "happiness" is delusional anyway, existence is suffering and wanting to die is all that feels right to me. As after all human existence is undeniably so burdensome and futile
 
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Most people don't feel "little bored", as I said, negative feelings are basically their default feeling. It makes no sense to call yourself "happy" when most of your life you are not experiencing said happiness.

Where I worked, 55 hours per week, I'm pretty sure my co-workers weren't "content" while stuck 11 hours a day in that shithole of company, especially with the boss swearing and making the atmosphere unpleasant almost every Friday.
It's hilarious that some people still think the majority of the population is "content" even though most people live situations like that.

no, contentment wasnt made to last long, there is evolutionary evidence for this.


Even if you achieved your dream now, your mind would still find a way to make you miserable, because you will always want more. Lasting unhappiness is much more effective, while happiness only serves to be the "diamond", that vicious feeling that makes people run insanely after it because it never lasts that long.

The comparison with drugs fits. it is precisely that quick euphoria that makes people addicted - Just like everything we achieve, until we realize its no longer enough and we need 'more' to get that same effect. Just like a drug
What do you mean people can't feel a 'little bored'? I don't know how else to say this other than you literally can. There's varying degrees of feeling emotions. There's no other way I can put that and I don't think it can really be argued that it's not the case.

I'm not saying they're not experiencing happiness either. I'm saying they're experiencing a lesser degree of happiness. It's not some ecstatic high they feel at all times, it can also be a much more muted feeling.

As for where you worked? Yeah, most people don't like work. Most people also aren't working 11 hours a day and it sounds like you had incredibly shit working conditions. That's just anecdotal though. Some people enjoy their jobs more than others. Some cope better than others. Using it as some form of evidence to suggest that people aren't content, especially when you have absolutely no clue what goes on in your coworker's heads necessarily, just doesn't work. That anecdote was also kind of a nothing-burger since you were trying to use it as evidence for people not being content but that seems like it's more an issue with people not having the time nor the money to be content, not that it's an impossible state to reach, or even a difficult one from a biological viewpoint.

"There is evolutionary evidence for this" yet none of it is given. Not only that, but the first article is quite short-sighted in their view of why contentment exists. It exists so that guards can be let down. If an organism isn't going to let its guard down, that tends to actually be detrimental to the mental health and the function of it over a longer period. Rest periods are needed for almost all life, if not all life, in some way. That way happens to be winding down in a state of contentment. It very much is a vital part of life. In fact, let's imagine if you couldn't wind down. You had to work every hour of every day, eat for a few minutes, drink for a few minutes, then go back to working, or just sleep. And this isn't just your 55-hour working week that you didn't like; this would be 84+ hours. Now imagine the mental health of someone who goes and does that. It's not brilliant, is it? The fact that we don't have 84+ hour work weeks (at least, the vast, vast majority of people don't) is evidence that winding down and being content is a necessity of life. You remove that aspect from an organism and you effectively remove the brakes off of it. Sure, they're going to work hard, but at the cost of extreme stress, which decreases lifespan, most likely into the reproductive ages for many organisms, which directly goes against what evolution wants. So no, there isn't evolutionary evidence.

I also want to add that those URLs provided absolutely no scientific evidence for why this would be the case. They just basically quoted psychologists in saying "Yeah, I don't think you're meant to be happy." That's not "evolutionary evidence", those are the statements of flawed individuals who, shockingly, have the ability to be wrong. As for my argument, though, it doesn't require any evolutionary evidence. It's just basic logic you can derive from a mundane, everyday life.

As for your last line, I don't see it that way at all. I see contentment as some sort of line on a graph. You can reach it, but then you'll drop back down from it as a result of your needs changing, or no longer being satiated. You must then climb back towards contentment by satiating those needs. Trying to get to contentment isn't a drug, it's more of a state of being than anything. There isn't a "quick euphoria" in it either - the whole point is that it's not euphoric. You experience a mild pleasure from it, and nothing more, because that mild pleasure allows your body to put its guard down and relax. If you didn't do that, you'd die a lot earlier.
 
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It's because we were not meant to live like this. We were supposed to live in small groups and feel valued and had a purpose. We were supposed to be connected to people physically. Not to be a slave to large corporations and live so long.
 
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Those who managed to ctb really were so fortunate, I envy them for no longer being unable to suffer. The whole idea of "happiness" is delusional anyway, existence is suffering and wanting to die is all that feels right to me. As after all human existence is undeniably so burdensome and futile
That's how I feel!
 

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