Pastor Rick Warren on suicide

[eternalflame]

 

[MG_39]

I stopped listening at 0:50 "Suicide is a permanent irreversible attempt to solve a temporary problem" I don't doubt that this Rick is a good man, but he have low intelligence. This phrase is a very bad way to make someone reconsider their plans to end their lives. Why? because it's based on a lie. And the last thing a suicidal person need to hear are false statements. Someone with a normal intelligence will instantly understand that this is not true, because all problems are NOT temporary.

But let us look at reality instead. A LOT of people actually commit suicide because of temporary problems, and when everything just feels dark and it feels like there is no other solution than suicide, and it feels like there is no hope at all, in many cases there are actually hope. For some people life can actually become awesome again.

For other people life might not be perfect and there will be hard times in life, but if they decide to keep fighting and get the question years later "Do you want to die?" the answer could be "Life is sometimes hard, but things have improved and I want to live, at the darkest moment in my life when I was about to end my life, I couldn't see this"

I have seen friends with mental health issues who have been suicidal, and life have become better for them and they do enjoy their lives. I have also been there myself, I will not go into details, but because of physical health issues I couldn't see any hope, it was just darkness and I did go to bed every night with the wish that I would die, and I constantly did think about suicide. My health did improve, it wasn't perfect but my wish to die was gone, I had plans for the future and I could enjoy life, even though it was hard sometimes. Now other health problems have occurred, and it's getting worse and worse, and so does my suffering. That's not a temporary problem. I still wish I could keep suffering to avoid the suffering I would leave behind to those who love me. But I can't, because my life is a torture. So no my problems are not temporary, and I'm not alone.

With that said, for those who consider suicide, the truth is "Suicide is in many cases a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but even when it's a temporary problem, it often feels like a permanent problem" so please don't rush these decisions, a lot of times there are hope.


(Sorry for bad grammar and sentence structure, I'm not a native english speaker, and too tired to proof-read and correct my mistakes.)

 

[eternalflame]

Thank you for beautiful words. I hope your pain gets better somehow. Maybe you should watch the whole video.

 

[Dot]

Pastor Rick Warren's Son Matthew Commits Suicide After Lifelong Battle With Mental Illness

Megachurch Pastor Rick Warren told staff in an email to Saturday that his 27-year-old son had commited suicide after a lifelong battle with mental illness.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Cathy Ames]

"You need to tell them, I will do everything I can to help you get through this time."

 

[GasMonkey]

I stopped listening at 0:50 "Suicide is a permanent irreversible attempt to solve a temporary problem" I don't doubt that this Rick is a good man, but he have low intelligence. This phrase is a very bad way to make someone reconsider their plans to end their lives. Why? because it's based on a lie. And the last thing a suicidal person need to hear are false statements. Someone with a normal intelligence will instantly understand that this is not true, because all problems are NOT temporary.

Big time. That typical phrase is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

 

[Grav]

It wasn't anything earth shattering and if someone is of the mindset his video can be a break in the circuit to ctb. I think that he puts more faith in people that I ever would.

 

[noname223]

You seem to like RIck Warren a lot. I don't have a problem with that. I skipped through this video you posted of him and it some sentences made me quite angry. I don't deny some of his statements can be considered helpful for some people. But for me personally some statements are just platitiudes about suicide which annoy me. I am really sensitive towards those platitude. Though I don't want to ruin this option for other people. If other people consider his videos as helpful I am glad for them.

You probably get a lot of strength by his listening to his story etc. Personally religious approaches failed their purpose to comfort me completely. I have met religious people mostly christian and they held stupid stereotypes about suicidal people. One was really surprised I was not an evil person though I was obsessed by suicide.

I asked some of these people mostly staff from psychiatry if they I think I went to hell if I committed suicide. Many agreed on that. This notion that people who commit suicide go to hell is extremely cruel, cynical and disgusting in my opinion. People get punished for having extremely tormenting life and then they are even threatened to be exposed to eternal hell as cherry on top of it.

I was raised somewhat religious. I had many nightmares which were influenced by my anxiety of hell.
For me personally it helped to become more atheistic/agnostic. But I don't want to ruin religion as recovery option for some people. There is for sure some wisdom in many religions. They can give strength, purpose and meaning to people.
But for me as I said I made bad experiences with it.

 

[eternalflame]

Rick Warren says suicide doesn't send you straight to hell, it's more of catholic thing.
I understand you had bad experiences with religion but maybe you can find some strenght in buddhism for example?
I found about Rick Warren only recently, maybe some of his video can help someone. I understand people who were molested for example can blame god, i didn;t mean to trigger anyone.
I think it was people free will that allowed them to hurt me and otherwise, of course i asked why god allowed evil to happen to me when i couldn't bear it. I can only wish you all the best. I've decided to stay in this world for a while to repay my family for raising me anyway they could, i still think about ending myself on a daily basis.

 

[noname223]

Rick Warren says suicide doesn't send you straight to hell, it's more of catholic thing.
I understand you had bad experiences with religion but maybe you can find some strenght in buddhism for example?
I found about Rick Warren only recently, maybe some of his video can help someone. I understand people who were molested for example can blame god, i didn;t mean to trigger anyone.
I think it was people free will that allowed them to hurt me and otherwise, of course i asked why god allowed evil to happen to me when i couldn't bear it. I can only wish you all the best. I've decided to stay in this world for a while to repay my family for raising me anyway they could, i still think about ending myself on a daily basis.

I am not much into religions. Maybe I will read some Buddshism inspired texts in the future. Currenlty I rather try to think about ethical, humanistic values which I want to pursue. I think I could like buddishm more than christian religions

Yeah the theodicy question was one reason why I quit my somewhat relgion views. How can have an almigty God let Auschwitz happen for example. So many innocent people suffer so unfairly every single day. I don't have an answer for that. Life is often so incredibly unfair. I lost my religious faith because of it. And my trust in humanity.

 

[eternalflame]

I think i understand your point. I hope you will be able to recover somehow.

 

[Moonomyth]

"Suicide is a permanent irreversible attempt to solve a temporary problem"

Why do they always have to act like they're the first people to come up with that line?

 

[obafgkm]

Everyday is a temporary problem.

 

[LittleJem]

Depression is often chronic, I've had it now for over twenty years. So in terms of my life, it is absolutely not a temporary problem.

As for whether it's a permanent solution, that would be my dearest hope.

I have sympathy for all those affected by the suicide of loved ones, but at the same time an honest discussion of mental illness and suicide would be much more helpful.

Victim blaming does not help those with suicidal inclinations or the survivors.

 

[Lauriso]

You seem to like RIck Warren a lot. I don't have a problem with that. I skipped through this video you posted of him and it some sentences made me quite angry. I don't deny some of his statements can be considered helpful for some people. But for me personally some statements are just platitiudes about suicide which annoy me. I am really sensitive towards those platitude. Though I don't want to ruin this option for other people. If other people consider his videos as helpful I am glad for them.

You probably get a lot of strength by his listening to his story etc. Personally religious approaches failed their purpose to comfort me completely. I have met religious people mostly christian and they held stupid stereotypes about suicidal people. One was really surprised I was not an evil person though I was obsessed by suicide.

I asked some of these people mostly staff from psychiatry if they I think I went to hell if I committed suicide. Many agreed on that. This notion that people who commit suicide go to hell is extremely cruel, cynical and disgusting in my opinion. People get punished for having extremely tormenting life and then they are even threatened to be exposed to eternal hell as cherry on top of it.

I was raised somewhat religious. I had many nightmares which were influenced by my anxiety of hell.
For me personally it helped to become more atheistic/agnostic. But I don't want to ruin religion as recovery option for some people. There is for sure some wisdom in many religions. They can give strength, purpose and meaning to people.
But for me as I said I made bad experiences with it.

The idea of an eternal hell is the most evil version of reality that I can conceive of. I don't think any Christians who profess a belief in it understand the gravity of such statements. There is nothing more horrible than suffering you know will NEVER end. You can't even die. It's permanent.
Even if I was one of the lucky ones who went to heaven, the awareness of another conscious being suffering eternally would drive me mad, and I'd feel suicidal right there in heaven, and would rather the whole existence, God included, would cease to exist, rather than at least one being being stuck in neverending suffering.

 

[AtMostOkay]

Fuck that noise.