I don't think their little Facebook group has anything on us if that's what you're referring to.
Funny enough, they say they have nothing to hide and yet they're keeping their group private. Seems quite secretive to me lol What are y'all hiding? C'mon, don't hide away from us. You's are watching us so, I mean...it's only fair to make it fair both ways ;)
It's not just the Facebook group. There have also been news stories and a documentary about another member who passed, Callie Lewis. Such stories draw more fuel and support for their cause, yet also lead others who consider suicide to this site. There is the petition as well.
I have never visited the Facebook group page, but if I recally correctly, I think it's been metioned on this site before that they have previously gone private, I could be wrong. They're playing a war-like game. And they are not seeking fair play. They seek to conquer, oppress, and destroy, and they feel righteous and justified.
Yes, they read this site. The site owners choose to make posts public. As long as they are reading, I choose to speak to them with compassion and reason. I, too, lost a loved one to suicide and I understand much of what they have experienced and the need to feel empowered. I also have the perspective of having grown up with a father who was a death investigator, so I have both intimate and informed knowledge about a variety of perspectives: being scapegoated for another's suicide, feeling victimized by that person's act, feeling a loss of the illusion of control, how people respond to an act of suicide, and as a result of my healing before I ever considered the option for myself, the perspective in the other member's quote that I shared. I also came from a background of control and abuse, and I have studied that from multiple psychological and philosophical perspectives, and worked to stop trying to control others and instead have self-awareness and learn the value of having and recognizing boundaries and autonomy.
I am not afraid of the Facebook group, the petition, or the news stories. They are meant to engender strong emotions. I do not feel those emotions, because I know that emotional appeals are ploys, and that they are being used as weapons to try to undermine each member's right to choose for themselves, and to convince others to join in the fight against us and the site. I respond with acknowledgement, compassion, understanding, and vocal appeals stemming from those perspectives to pursue the outcomes I would like and which would not serve me personally but serve all. That is my choice, and I don't demand others do the same.
I understand and respect that when people feel poked, they want to poke back, perhaps even more. I feel poked by many things, but not by anything in this situation. I have been on both sides. I have felt righteous indignation and sought to destroy what I thought harmed me. I and my actions were wrong. With those actions, I hurt myself and others. If I am capable of growing in awareness and acceptance, then others may be capable, too. I don't hurt with them, because I don't benefit from that hurt, I've hurt enough from my own experiences; but I have deep compassion for myself and for each person on eiher side of the battle lines, and I strive to act from that so that healing can occur where it is possible, even if it is just for one person on the other side of the line they drew. It requires patience and love. None of what I offer may be accepted, but I already have for myself the healing, patience, and love, and so I am satisfied within myself. Everything else I do emanates from that, and it does not need to be accepted and returned, though I believe, based on my understanding of reciprocity and the needs of social human animals, that I and they would be even more strengthened if it were accepted and returned. These are my values, and I act from them, without demand or expectation that others on either side accept or do the same.
In closing, I don't want to derail this thread. I recognize I started it by quoting the other member and giving them a heads-up. I don't do PMs. In retrospect, perhaps it would have been wiser to post on their wall. I'll use this experience going forward to improve so that I don't cause derailings.
@ceasetobreathe03 (and others), you're welcome to post on my wall if you'd like to discuss this further, or, of course, reply here according to your own discretion.
@Epsilon0, I apologize for taking the thread off track from your intended focus. From previous interactions on many other threads, I think you're likely okay with it, but please do say if you feel otherwise.
Much respect to all who've participated on this thread and to those who read it.
