ordered SN on impulse and now im shitting myself

[Okokaykay]

I'm kinda freaking out. I know welfare checks have been happening in the UK a lot- Ive even seen people talk about legal action being taken if you possess it at all-
Ahhh I don't know what to do. I felt so relieved, just for a moment, and now I'm terrified.
If I cancel it, will authorities still get involved? Ive been a mess these past few days- I can't think clearly at all.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I think you need to be careful with this. Stay calm and take it easy for now

 

[Okokaykay]

I think you need to be careful with this. Stay calm and take it easy for now

this might be a stupid question, but will i get into legal trouble at all?

 

[Boudika]

this might be a stupid question, but will i get into legal trouble at all?

You need to check if SN is illegal to own in the UK. Ask sie on some lawyer forum or something.

 

[NoHorizon]

I don't know what the state of the welfare checks are these days as I got my SN a long time ago, but it's a legal substance in the UK. You won't get into trouble for owning it, but someone would get into trouble for selling it to you if they knew it was for suicide.

 

[IsThisEverything]

I ordered some a couple of weeks ago to the UK and got a welfare check. I think the police are being very vigilant at the moment.

 

[tiger b]

One could always say, if the police checked, that it was disposed of, poured down the toilet, and were feeling low yet better after thinking it through.

Obviously that's just a hypothetical as I live in the UK and thus I would never advocate that.

 

[gbi2]

The legislation states that checks should be made to determine if individuals and businesses have certain certs that allow them to purchase it and to refuse the sale of and report anything that appears suspicious.
There is nothing in it that appears to criminalize the buyer. I just can't figure out if purchasing it as a business would mean it is more likely or less likely to be reported, or result in a police check.

 

[hi-okbye]

you don't have to admit it's because you were feeling low either. maybe you could say it's for meat curing or wood finishing. (at least in my experience), if you say your feeling fine, the police don't tend to dive much further. they're just like okay, and move on. they have better things to do then spend their time than interrogating someone about buying legal salt. (at least this is in my own experience, i live in the US, police might be different here.)

 

[leloyon]

Take it easy and remain calm. As far as I know, it's legal to possess. Remember that if the police come to your house, you are not obligated to let them in or tell them anything. Ask if they have a warrant, and when they don't, tell them to go get one and close the door in their face.

 

[Gonnerr]

It's a legal substance , they won't have a warrant , they cannot enter , so you just say they have to leave , It's a mistake , you didn't buy anything.

It happenned to me in Canada , we have the same commonwealth law if im not mistaken. So don't worry, nothing will happen.

They will ask ; can we enter , you say no

Other questions , why did you buy SN , you say you don't know what that is , and never heard of it.

They won't have a warrant so they will leave , if they insist , repeat the same answer over and over.

Tips ; hide the SN in a safe , buy one if you don't have one.

 

[tinyghost]

i feel you. i purchased some benzos in a legally grey way. it was pretty impulsive and a no going back type of thing. i regret it but now its done im just trying to find comfort on the fact that if it lands okay ill be one step closer to peace.

 

[gbi2]

you don't have to admit it's because you were feeling low either. maybe you could say it's for meat curing or wood finishing. (at least in my experience), if you say your feeling fine, the police don't tend to dive much further. they're just like okay, and move on. they have better things to do then spend their time than interrogating someone about buying legal salt. (at least this is in my own experience, i live in the US, police might be different here.)

I have been trying to preserve something in salt over this year so legitimately could need to trial SN and others to see if it makes it less tough than salt does. It's not something people normally preserve though so dunno if they'll call bs or not. Especially if they'll know I'm a vulnerable person when they do a check on me.

I just can't decide on a source for the UK

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I ordered some a couple of weeks ago to the UK and got a welfare check. I think the police are being very vigilant at the moment.

Did u receive the product or was it seized before you even got it? I doubt police had a search warrant? Without it they are not allowed to enter your flat/house imo.

 

[アホペンギン]

It's a legal substance

It's actually illegal to import SN into the UK without a license..
Hopefully everything goes well regardless.

 

[gbi2]

It's actually illegal to import SN into the UK without a license..
Hopefully everything goes well regardless.

Can you help me understand that. When I look on the Gov website (

Supplying explosives precursors and poisons

) it talks about Regulated substances and also Reportable substances and SN is listed as a reportable substance. The rest of the page I am looking at speaks abouyt lkicensing for the regulated substances, not reportable ones.

But my judgment and focus and everything is all over the place so I don't trust my own conclusions anymore. Is there more info somehwere?

 

[dreamingofrest]

you don't have to admit it's because you were feeling low either. maybe you could say it's for meat curing or wood finishing. (at least in my experience), if you say your feeling fine, the police don't tend to dive much further. they're just like okay, and move on. they have better things to do then spend their time than interrogating someone about buying legal salt. (at least this is in my own experience, i live in the US, police might be different here.)

Did you get a welfare check after buying SN in the US?

 

[アホペンギン]

Can you help me understand that. When I look on the Gov website (

Supplying explosives precursors and poisons

) it talks about Regulated substances and also Reportable substances and SN is listed as a reportable substance. The rest of the page I am looking at speaks abouyt lkicensing for the regulated substances, not reportable ones.

But my judgment and focus and everything is all over the place so I don't trust my own conclusions anymore. Is there more info somehwere?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/can-i-dm-someone-about-sn-resources.139774/post-2224733

I believe the person who made this post also made a thread regarding how SN is illegal in the UK, but I'm unable to find it at the moment. It has been illegal since Oct. 1st

Did you get a welfare check after buying SN in the US?

The risk of getting a welfare check in the US always stands, there is no way to avoid it unless you ask the SN supplier to label the SN as something else.
You may be lucky and manage to bypass the police when they arrive or they may not even notice the SN at all, in customs.

 

[gbi2]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/can-i-dm-someone-about-sn-resources.139774/post-2224733

I believe the person who made this post also made a thread regarding how SN is illegal in the UK, but I'm unable to find it at the moment. It has been illegal since Oct. 1st

Thanks. I think that might not be the case though. I first thought it was but I think with our governments way of wording things in a confusing manner, there are regulated poisons and reportable ones and Sodium Nitrite is a reportable one. But as I said the government can be flaky with their wording sometimes, when they cover two things they will only name one.

This is the key bit of leg. I thunk. It only mentions regulated substance, not reportable ones.

Offences
The Poisons Act 1972 as amended introduces the following offences:

1) The supply of a regulated substance to a member of the general public:

(a) without first verifying that the member of the general public has a licence to import, acquire, possess and use that substance:

on conviction on indictment: imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or a fine (or both)
on summary conviction: in England and Wales, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine (or both)
in Scotland, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale (or both)
(b) without first entering details of the transaction on the licence:

on summary conviction: a fine not exceeding level 2 on the standard scale
(c) without first ensuring that a warning label is affixed to the packaging in which the substance is supplied:

on summary conviction: a fine not exceeding level 2 on the standard scale.
2) Failure to report suspicious transactions or significant disappearances or thefts:

on summary conviction: in England or Wales, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine (or both)
in Scotland, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale (or both)
3) Failure to comply with regulations about poisons and explosives precursors:

on summary conviction: a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale and for every day subsequent to conviction, a fine not exceeding one-tenth of level 1 on the standard scale

And then there are two lists underneath:

Regulated substances and concentration thresholds
Explosives precursors
ammonium nitrate: 16% N[footnote 1]
hexamine[footnote 1]
hydrochloric acid: 10% w/w[footnote 1]
hydrogen peroxide:12% w/w
nitromethane: 30% w/w
nitric acid: 3% w/w
phosphoric acid: 30% w/w[footnote 1]
potassium chlorate: 40% w/w
potassium perchlorate: 40% w/w
sodium chlorate: 40% w/w
sodium perchlorate: 40% w/w
sulfuric acid: 15% w/w
Poisons
aluminium phosphide
aluminium sulfide[footnote 1]
sodium sulfide[footnote 1]
calcium sulfide[footnote 1]
magnesium sulfide[footnote 1]
arsenic compounds
barium salts (other than barium sulphate, barium carbonate and barium silicofluoride)
bromomethane
chloropicrin
fluoroacetic acid, its salts and fluoroacetamide
hydrogen cyanide and metal cyanides (other than ferrocyanides and ferricyanides)
lead acetates and compounds of lead with acids from fixed oils
magnesium phosphide
mercury compounds
oxalic acid: 10% w/w
phenols (phenol; phenolic isomers of the following: cresols, xylenols, monoethylphenols); compounds of phenols with a metal, 60% w/w of phenols or, for compounds of phenols with a metal, the equivalent of 60% w/w of phenols
phosphorus yellow
strychnine and its salts and its quaternary compounds
thallium and its salts
zinc phosphide[footnote 1]
calcium phosphide[footnote 1]
2,4- dinitrophenol and compounds including sodium dinitrophenolate[footnote 1]

Reportable substances
Explosive precursors
acetone
aluminium powders
calcium nitrate
calcium ammonium nitrate
magnesium nitrate hexahydrate
magnesium powders
potassium nitrate
sodium nitrate
sulfur[footnote 1]
Poisons
aldicarb
alpha-chloralose
ammonia 10% w/w
barium, salts of, the following: barium carbonate; barium silicofluoride
carbofuran
cycloheximide
dinitrocresols (DNOC) their compounds with a metal or a base
dinoseb its compounds with a metal or a base
dinoterb
drazoxolon; its salts
endosulfan
endothal its salts
endrin
fentin compounds of
formaldehyde 5% w/w
formic acid 25% w/w
hydrofluoric acid alkali metal bifluorides; ammonium bifluoride alkali metal fluorides; ammonium fluoride sodium silicofluoride
metallic oxalates
metal phosphides[footnote 1]
metal sulfides and polysulfides[footnote 1]
methomyl
nicotine its salts; its quaternary compounds
nitrobenzene 0.1% w/w
oxamyl
paraquat salts of
phenols (as defined in part 2 of this schedule) in substances containing no more than 60%, weight in weight, of phenols; compounds of phenols with a metal in substances containing no more than the equivalent of 60%, weight in weight, of phenols
phosphorus compounds, the following: azinphos-methyl, chlorfenvinphos, demephion, demeton-S-methyl, demeton-S-methyl sulphone, dialifos, dichlorvos, dioxathion, disulfoton, fonofos, mecarbam, mephosfolan, methidathion, mevinphos, omethoate, oxydemeton-methyl, parathion, phenkapton, phorate, phosphamidon, pirimiphos-ethyl, quinalphos, thiometon, thionazin, triazophos, vamidothion
potassium hydroxide 17% of total caustic alkalinity
sodium hydroxide 12% of total caustic alkalinity
sodium nitrite
sodium hypochlorite solutions, above 6% available chlorine[footnote 1]
thiofanox
Products of particular interest are those in which a reportable chemical is either: present on its own or the main ingredient, or present in a simple mixture, typically less than 5 ingredients.

Products containing less than 1% of any of the reportable chemicals, or fertilizers that are not labelled for nitrogen (N) content are, in general, of no concern.

The spelling of the EPPs referred to above is taken from the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) nomenclature.

 

[SVEN]

I'm guessing you ordered from outside the UK as there are quite a few requirements imposed on the few UK suppliers regarding the supply of SN.
If it was ordered from overseas then the substance itself and suppliers who have come to the notice of the authorities are flagged up at Customs & Excise control.
They will advise the Police who are really only interested in covering their backs in every instance I've known. They just don't want headlines in the Daily Mail saying they were warned of a person apparently being of a suicidal frame of mind above a photo of a grieving parent blaming them for not doing anything.
Tell them anything you want if they do visit you, it's unlikely the individual officers are that interested.

 

[hi-okbye]

Did you get a welfare check after buying SN in the US?

i havn't ordered it yet, but i have had "welfare checks" before. after my last attempt, the police were called and they asked me if my actions were suicidal, because they knew i had a history of suicidal actions. I jumped into a freezing lake on drugs at 3am, and about a month or two before the police had to take me to the hospital because i had taken xanax and alcohol and couldn't even walk (don't even remember the situation). i just stated once that it wasn't and i was fine. they didn't even ask again.

 

[IsThisEverything]

Did u receive the product or was it seized before you even got it? I doubt police had a search warrant? Without it they are not allowed to enter your flat/house imo.

Seized before I got it, at customs. No I don't think they did have a warrant. They kind of forced their way in anyway. I'm very socially anxious so I wasn't able to stand up to them to stop them.

 

[Tesha]

The police don't need a warrant in the UK to enter your house. If they think you have a substance that you might harm yourself with they will arrest you. After which they have the power to enter your house uninvited. I've been in that situation with a different substance.

However SN isn't illegal to posses in the UK, the reportable bit is about a supplier having an unusual purchase request (they should check you've got an appropriate licence). If they suspect a dodgy buyer, then they need to report that within 24 hours (hence reportable substance). It's up to the seller to check you're legit before selling it to you.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Seized before I got it, at customs. No I don't think they did have a warrant. They kind of forced their way in anyway. I'm very socially anxious so I wasn't able to stand up to them to stop them.

What's the point in welfare checks for SN if it's already been seized and someone never even had possession of it?

 

[hi-okbye]

What's the point in welfare checks for SN if it's already been seized and someone never even had possession of it?

to see if they're doing well mentally. if they're still in the mental state of ctb'ing and they admit to it, then they will be forced to go to the hospital because they are a threat to themselves.

 

[losing hope]

Seized before I got it, at customs. No I don't think they did have a warrant. They kind of forced their way in anyway. I'm very socially anxious so I wasn't able to stand up to them to stop them.

Had you ordered the SN from the "M" store in Balkans or from somewhere else?

 

[penguinl0v3s]

If you look on drug subreddits, in the US you can buy way worse things like fentanyl and only get a slap on the wrist as long as it's your first offense and for personal use. SN is way less than that, so I personally wouldn't worry. Of course the US and UK are different, but how bad could it be? Scary for sure, but afaik nobody on this site has posted about getting sent to prison or getting fined.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

to see if they're doing well mentally. if they're still in the mental state of ctb'ing and they admit to it, then they will be forced to go to the hospital because they are a threat to themselves.

Police aren't trained to deal with MH issues though. I just think it's pointless and a waste of time. I mean at least during the IC welfare checks it was because people actually had the SN in their possession and the police were trying to get people to hand it over.

 

[King Ashoka]

Buy few fish and start treating them with salt. It would be a good cover story.

 

[wilbursoot6969]

Thanks. I think that might not be the case though. I first thought it was but I think with our governments way of wording things in a confusing manner, there are regulated poisons and reportable ones and Sodium Nitrite is a reportable one. But as I said the government can be flaky with their wording sometimes, when they cover two things they will only name one.

This is the key bit of leg. I thunk. It only mentions regulated substance, not reportable ones.



And then there are two lists underneath:

It's not illegal - we had a whole thing with this on my thread https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/whats-the-risk-of-a-welfare-check-if-i-order-sn.141788/