One major problem

[Beachedwhale]

Being reincarnated in an even worse state than at present.

You know that saying..."Never say it can't get worse than this". What if I get reincarnated as a prisoner for life in a brutal concentration camp? Or as a plantation slave or a factory worker forced to work 24/7?

 

[Aloken]

Thats not the problem of suicide. That's the problem of existence.

Edit: hey, you've changed your title xD

 

[FuneralCry]

I just tell myself that reincarnation doesn't exist. I believe in eternal nothingness.

 

[WornOutLife]

Well, if there's another hell coming after this hell, I guess I will always be suicidal and try to ctb somehow.

 

[Lucifer'sRight]

Being reincarnated in an even worse state than at present.

You know that saying..."Never say it can't get worse than this". What if I get reincarnated as a prisoner for life in a brutal concentration camp? Or as a plantation slave or a factory worker forced to work 24/7?

if you do reincarnate then you need to assume that there's an intelligent plan behind it, it must be in order to sustain this kind of system of endless amount of souls taking on different bodies, so it won't be random. and if you're free in the most basic of ways then you'll be able to choose where you go, to assume that you won't is to assume that you're a slave to some kind of godhead, which is ridiculous.

 

[Aloken]

if you do reincarnate then you need to assume that there's an intelligent plan behind it, it must be in order to sustain this kind of system of endless amount of souls taking on different bodies, so it won't be random. and if you're free in the most basic of ways then you'll be able to choose where you go, to assume that you won't is to assume that you're a slave to some kind of godhead, which is ridiculous.

Or you could say that some entities trick you to cause suffering. I've heard of this theory and I think it's possible. I don't believe that the afterlife is all rainbows, puppies and benevolent forces, unfortunately. Physical life is full of evil (or at least that's how we describe it, it is what it is) and I don't believe the afterlife is any different

 

[Soulless Angel]

fuck being reincarnated, I wana be found dancing with the devil and a bottle of rum, I feel the cold, so hell will be a welcome change

 

[Lucifer'sRight]

Or you could say that some entities trick you to cause suffering. I've heard of this theory and I think it's possible. I don't believe that the afterlife is all rainbows, puppies and benevolent forces, unfortunately. Physical life is full of evil (or at least that's how we describe it, it is what it is) and I don't believe the afterlife is any different

can you expand on that theory? I do believe that we're basically free here on earth, so whatever it is I doubt that it's worse. the problem of freedom and being tricked comes down to resilience in any case

 

[avoid_slow_death]

Yeah, that would be hellish. Or, you could end up like the main character of my favorite manga. His fate is worse than hell.

https://myanimelist.net/manga/1410/Apollo_no_Uta

 

[Anonymous_A]

New life, new game...

LETS'GOOOO!

 

[Lucifer'sRight]

Yeah, that would be hellish. Or, you could end up like the main character of my favorite manga. His fate is worse than hell.

https://myanimelist.net/manga/1410/Apollo_no_Uta

the only worse fate to this one is to have your consciousness uploaded onto the cloud in a virtual reality universe and not let anyone know you're there like in USS Callister in black mirror xd

 

[Aloken]

can you expand on that theory? I do believe that we're basically free here on earth, so whatever it is I doubt that it's worse. the problem of freedom and being tricked comes down to resilience in any case

I don't really remember much. A lot of people talk about some entities that manipulate you, trick you to gain something from you. Maybe the pure "joy" of causing pain, maybe to gather energy (I don't
remember at all). I remember the gist, because that's what mattered for me and agreed with my view of existence in general. As for freedom, I guess you mean free-will. Free-will I believe to be a right, not a law. You see the free
-will of people around you being taken away, being disrespected. I believe that's what happens after death too. "You" just need to know you have a right to free-will and to somehow secure it. I think that the point of being tricked or losing your right is not knowing your powers and rights

 

[Superdeterminist]

Being reincarnated in an even worse state than at present.

You know that saying..."Never say it can't get worse than this". What if I get reincarnated as a prisoner for life in a brutal concentration camp? Or as a plantation slave or a factory worker forced to work 24/7?

This is an extremely important point to consider. I also worry about this, and all the time. I would say it's my 2nd biggest reason to postpone suicide (1st is difficulty of doing it). I often view my own life, while horrible in many ways, as a sort of island of reprieve, an island which maybe I better stay on for as long as I can, and not venturing out into the waters because I might get really unlucky, as some do.

 

[Debbie Northampton U]

I have my doubts about reincarnation because the numbers don't stack up? Many more people are born each year than who die - at least double - so how does that work?

 

[demuic]

Why would reincarnation be true? It's a pretty random idea humans made up.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I have my doubts about reincarnation because the numbers don't stack up? Many more people are born each year than who die - at least double - so how does that work?

Why would reincarnation be true? It's a pretty random idea humans made up.

I'm not sure how OP is using the term reincarnation, but I assume that they meant it in the loose sense of the word. Meaning, there's no 'soul', 'essence', or any other kind of thing that gets carried forward into the next life. So it's not REincarnation really, it's maybe better described just as 'incarnation'. It's not YOU that lives again, but a conscious system that lives, with '''you''' being the one experiencing it. I don't know if I'm conveying the point I want to convey, hopefully I am.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

I'm not sure how OP is using the term reincarnation, but I assume that they meant it in the loose sense of the word. Meaning, there's no 'soul', 'essence', or any other kind of thing that gets carried forward into the next life. So it's not REincarnation really, it's maybe better described just as 'incarnation'. It's not YOU that lives again, but a conscious system that lives, with '''you''' being the one experiencing it. I don't know if I'm conveying the point I want to convey, hopefully I am.

If such a system exists, where the brain acts as a receiver of consciousness, it's completely irrelevant.

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

Don't worry. You won't know you're a serial jinx.

 

[Superdeterminist]

If such a system exists, where the brain acts as a receiver of consciousness, it's completely irrelevant.

Personally I don't believe that the brain 'receives' consciousness, I subscribe to the more widely accepted idea that the brain generates it. And why is it irrelevant? I would say it's worth thinking about, because if it's true then it means there's no eternal rest from existence, you're coming back ('''you're'''') in one form or another, for as long as conscious things continue to exist.

 

[demuic]

Personally I don't believe that the brain 'receives' consciousness, I subscribe to the more widely accepted idea that the brain generates it. And why is it irrelevant? I would say it's worth thinking about, because if it's true then it means there's no eternal rest from existence, you're coming back ('''you're'''') in one form or another, for as long as conscious things continue to exist.

Why would "you" be the one coming back? What makes "you" so special?

 

[Debbie Northampton U]

I have an awful feeling that somehow we keep coming back zillions of times to experience everything there is in life.

 

[Beachedwhale]

If such a system exists, where the brain acts as a receiver of consciousness, it's completely irrelevant.

How come?

Regardless, if some kind of reincarnation is true, then the possibility remains that you could fare much worse than this life. Although death is inevitable anyway, so I guess it would just be bringing it forward...

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Personally I don't believe that the brain 'receives' consciousness, I subscribe to the more widely accepted idea that the brain generates it. And why is it irrelevant? I would say it's worth thinking about, because if it's true then it means there's no eternal rest from existence, you're coming back ('''you're'''') in one form or another, for as long as conscious things continue to exist.

I also don't believe in the receiver hypothesis, but I have no real knowledge of physics or neuroscience so I'll entertain most theories lol. It's irrelevant since the memories and the identity are obviously stored in the brain, we would all be in this system at once, we can't act on this information, etc. Hard to explain my intuition here, sry, maybe I'll try again tomorrow or sum.

 

[Lucifer'sRight]

I have an awful feeling that somehow we keep coming back zillions of times to experience everything there is in life.

sign me out xd

 

[Superdeterminist]

Why would "you" be the one coming back? What makes "you" so special?

Well it wouldn't be me, it would be another conscious system that MIGHT suffer a lot, similar (not identically) to how I did in this life, or worse, and that's the main concern. This forum is proof enough that suffering is not a phenomenon uniquely felt by just me. The exact qualities of the suffering might be unique for each person, but the main point is that it's a bad experience one wants to avoid.