One last effort

[Roseate]

I want to give it one last try. Actually try a form of therapy that works for me, make new friends and live life to the fullest instead of worrying about all the negatives. I am tired of being depressed and suicidal. I am tired of life too but maybe I'm just doing enough. The therapy I'm doing right now isn't working for me is all I know. What kind of therapy would you guys recommend? I want to be able to talk about my sundial thoughts without worrying about being put in a mental hospital. And I'm tired of the basic advice I keep hearing. I definitely don't want to take the pills because they make me feel so sick. And I cannot talk to my current therapist about any of this because I feel like she judges me. This is really my first time posting on the recovery section.

 

[Holu]

In class atm but bookmarking to get back lator. In the meantime just stopping by to say hi! Al

 

[dimstar]

Sorry just made a very similar post didnt see yours. People always say this is what you need to do to treat your mental illness. It's always made it worse for me. Not to discourage just looking for the same thing. I hope you can find something helpful. I will let you know if I'm able to as well.

 

[Holu]

I want to give it one last try. Actually try a form of therapy that works for me, make new friends and live life to the fullest instead of worrying about all the negatives. I am tired of being depressed and suicidal. I am tired of life too but maybe I'm just doing enough. The therapy I'm doing right now isn't working for me is all I know. What kind of therapy would you guys recommend? I want to be able to talk about my sundial thoughts without worrying about being put in a mental hospital. And I'm tired of the basic advice I keep hearing. I definitely don't want to take the pills because they make me feel so sick. And I cannot talk to my current therapist about any of this because I feel like she judges me. This is really my first time posting on the recovery section.

Okie I here. First and foremost horayy to recovery! Even if it's just the first step, it's a decently difficult first step to take. That being said, it's even harder to follow through fully with, so if you need to ever talk feel free to message me.

That being said I'll give my perspective as psych major(granted this is my second year in Uni so take EVERYTHING with a grain of doubt.). From my personal experience the three fundamental flaws with the modern mental healthcare system are 5051s, over problem solving, and an inability to actually understand/empathize with their patients due to lack of care or protocol. In many ways therapy works wonders for the average person, who has the attitude and willpower to follow through with a "how to get better" regime. In many cases, it can be hard if not impossible to muster enough mental power so that you can motivate yourself to follow plan. As such, therapy sessions can become stuck in a loop of non-improvement, where the therapist has nothing new to offer. This isn't helped by the fact that many therapists, especially those employed by major hospital organizations, fail to properly empathize due to the limited amount of talking a therapist is allowed. It's one thing to confide your feelings to a listener but a whole different thing to feel heard or understood. Finally, 5150s, and the threat of hospitalization essentially remove a patients ability to discuss concurring plans or future acts which may result in their or another's harm.

There is technically a form of therapy which avoids these three things, however it's typically frowned upon for its unreliability(in a psych "reliability" sense). It's called humanistic therapy, and it's basically a non existent practice due to not following general hospital protocol. Its general focus is less on helping a person following steps which have been shown to help and instead to help the person explore and understand their emotions and themselves. If by some miracle there's an affordable and credible one in your area it's worth a try.

That being said, if you are intending to following a normal mental health plan, I highly encourage you take meds, and just search around for one that doesn't upset your body. After all, MDD/SAD/PDD(depression) is caused by multiple different factors. That being said, a lack of serotonin is a notable aspect of depression, so taking SSRIs to correct this imbalance is highly recommended.

I hope the best for you. Again, if you ever need to talk my DMs are open. Take care and good luck on your journey soldier

 

[cherry7]

I want to give it one last try. Actually try a form of therapy that works for me, make new friends and live life to the fullest instead of worrying about all the negatives. I am tired of being depressed and suicidal. I am tired of life too but maybe I'm just doing enough. The therapy I'm doing right now isn't working for me is all I know. What kind of therapy would you guys recommend? I want to be able to talk about my sundial thoughts without worrying about being put in a mental hospital. And I'm tired of the basic advice I keep hearing. I definitely don't want to take the pills because they make me feel so sick. And I cannot talk to my current therapist about any of this because I feel like she judges me. This is really my first time posting on the recovery section.

Can you say a bit more about what your struggles are so we can give more specific ideas to you?

 

[Roseate]

Sorry just made a very similar post didnt see yours. People always say this is what you need to do to treat your mental illness. It's always made it worse for me. Not to discourage just looking for the same thing. I hope you can find something helpful. I will let you know if I'm able to as well.

I've tried multiple so you're not discouraging me. They just have not work. There's got to be a different form other than just talk therapy. I just want to look at my options or find a different therapy.

Okie I here. First and foremost horayy to recovery! Even if it's just the first step, it's a decently difficult first step to take. That being said, it's even harder to follow through fully with, so if you need to ever talk feel free to message me.

That being said I'll give my perspective as psych major(granted this is my second year in Uni so take EVERYTHING with a grain of doubt.). From my personal experience the three fundamental flaws with the modern mental healthcare system are 5051s, over problem solving, and an inability to actually understand/empathize with their patients due to lack of care or protocol. In many ways therapy works wonders for the average person, who has the attitude and willpower to follow through with a "how to get better" regime. In many cases, it can be hard if not impossible to muster enough mental power so that you can motivate yourself to follow plan. As such, therapy sessions can become stuck in a loop of non-improvement, where the therapist has nothing new to offer. This isn't helped by the fact that many therapists, especially those employed by major hospital organizations, fail to properly empathize due to the limited amount of talking a therapist is allowed. It's one thing to confide your feelings to a listener but a whole different thing to feel heard or understood. Finally, 5150s, and the threat of hospitalization essentially remove a patients ability to discuss concurring plans or future acts which may result in their or another's harm.

There is technically a form of therapy which avoids these three things, however it's typically frowned upon for its unreliability(in a psych "reliability" sense). It's called humanistic therapy, and it's basically a non existent practice due to not following general hospital protocol. Its general focus is less on helping a person following steps which have been shown to help and instead to help the person explore and understand their emotions and themselves. If by some miracle there's an affordable and credible one in your area it's worth a try.

That being said, if you are intending to following a normal mental health plan, I highly encourage you take meds, and just search around for one that doesn't upset your body. After all, MDD/SAD/PDD(depression) is caused by multiple different factors. That being said, a lack of serotonin is a notable aspect of depression, so taking SSRIs to correct this imbalance is highly recommended.

I hope the best for you. Again, if you ever need to talk my DMs are open. Take care and good luck on your journey soldier

I know the pills helped. But it makes me sick like really sick. And when I mentioned that I was gaining weight on them (although it wasn't completely them, it made me sick and I would eat so I wouldn't feel nauseous and eating in the moment stopped the nauseousness which led to the weight gain and etc), my therapist ignored me and said that it was normal to gain weight and that weight fluctuates even tho I mentioned I had a unhealthy relationship with food. After a while of that, I stopped taking them because she wouldn't listen and they switched pills but it was the same thing.

Can you say a bit more about what your struggles are so we can give more specific ideas to you?

I have depression, anxiety apparently and bipolar apparently. Also I have anger issues I'm not sure if that's the bipolar or just plain old anger issues from never being able to express myself growing up. Oh and I guess family issues but those just affects my anxiety and depression sometimes especially when they are acting up, usually triggers my anxiety. Apparently it's not normal to stay awake all night with your heart pounding and your mind racing and your body shaking with fear.

 

[Lo Priest]

Okie I here. First and foremost horayy to recovery! Even if it's just the first step, it's a decently difficult first step to take. That being said, it's even harder to follow through fully with, so if you need to ever talk feel free to message me.

That being said I'll give my perspective as psych major(granted this is my second year in Uni so take EVERYTHING with a grain of doubt.). From my personal experience the three fundamental flaws with the modern mental healthcare system are 5051s, over problem solving, and an inability to actually understand/empathize with their patients due to lack of care or protocol. In many ways therapy works wonders for the average person, who has the attitude and willpower to follow through with a "how to get better" regime. In many cases, it can be hard if not impossible to muster enough mental power so that you can motivate yourself to follow plan. As such, therapy sessions can become stuck in a loop of non-improvement, where the therapist has nothing new to offer. This isn't helped by the fact that many therapists, especially those employed by major hospital organizations, fail to properly empathize due to the limited amount of talking a therapist is allowed. It's one thing to confide your feelings to a listener but a whole different thing to feel heard or understood. Finally, 5150s, and the threat of hospitalization essentially remove a patients ability to discuss concurring plans or future acts which may result in their or another's harm.

There is technically a form of therapy which avoids these three things, however it's typically frowned upon for its unreliability(in a psych "reliability" sense). It's called humanistic therapy, and it's basically a non existent practice due to not following general hospital protocol. Its general focus is less on helping a person following steps which have been shown to help and instead to help the person explore and understand their emotions and themselves. If by some miracle there's an affordable and credible one in your area it's worth a try.

That being said, if you are intending to following a normal mental health plan, I highly encourage you take meds, and just search around for one that doesn't upset your body. After all, MDD/SAD/PDD(depression) is caused by multiple different factors. That being said, a lack of serotonin is a notable aspect of depression, so taking SSRIs to correct this imbalance is highly recommended.

I hope the best for you. Again, if you ever need to talk my DMs are open. Take care and good luck on your journey soldier

what a college tuition gets you. "believe in meds." "ooo theres this experimental humanistic therapy that helps you understand emotions!" excuse my bitterness for i know youre only trying to be constructive, but ravages ravage far deeper than any semester's teaching sequence. i appreciate you, though, youre only a junior. no hard feelings.

 

[Paradise]

I'm glad you're trying

 

[Roseate]

I'm glad you're trying

Thanks

what a college tuition gets you. "believe in meds." "ooo theres this experimental humanistic therapy that helps you understand emotions!" excuse my bitterness for i know youre only trying to be constructive, but ravages ravage far deeper than any semester's teaching sequence. i appreciate you, though, youre only a junior. no hard feelings.

Honestly you're right. I'm also a psych major and they really go to school to say that. Honestly it also pisses me off the incompetence of these people. They act like you're supposed to be okay with the mood swings, depression, sleeping all day and/or being very tired all day to feel sort of decent. To feel what others feel without meds. I've tried so many pills, and some have worked more than others but they all made me feel sick. One made me tired and sleepy nonstop. And one of them made me really really angry. I would get so angry for no reason while I was on them and their purpose was to stabilize my moods. That's the crazy part.

 

[jlwww08271965]

I'm new here, so I apologize if this has been mentioned, but a successful treatment for me was Tms, transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's like ect light. It stirs up neuronal connections in the brain and esp helps the dlpfc, dorsolateral prefrontal cortex in the brain.

Do a quick google and check out the success rates. Talk therapy helped me, but not out of the blackest depression.. was better for when I was not super depressed.

Good luck!

 

[Roseate]

I'm new here, so I apologize if this has been mentioned, but a successful treatment for me was Tms, transcranial magnetic stimulation. It's like ect light. It stirs up neuronal connections in the brain and esp helps the dlpfc, dorsolateral prefrontal cortex in the brain.

Do a quick google and check out the success rates. Talk therapy helped me, but not out of the blackest depression.. was better for when I was not super depressed.

Good luck!

Hello, welcome here. Is it like shock therapy without the shock? Or with it being painless? Idk sounds interesting. Never heard of it. I will see if my insurance covers it.

 

[cherry7]

I've tried multiple so you're not discouraging me. They just have not work. There's got to be a different form other than just talk therapy. I just want to look at my options or find a different therapy.

I know the pills helped. But it makes me sick like really sick. And when I mentioned that I was gaining weight on them (although it wasn't completely them, it made me sick and I would eat so I wouldn't feel nauseous and eating in the moment stopped the nauseousness which led to the weight gain and etc), my therapist ignored me and said that it was normal to gain weight and that weight fluctuates even tho I mentioned I had a unhealthy relationship with food. After a while of that, I stopped taking them because she wouldn't listen and they switched pills but it was the same thing.

I have depression, anxiety apparently and bipolar apparently. Also I have anger issues I'm not sure if that's the bipolar or just plain old anger issues from never being able to express myself growing up. Oh and I guess family issues but those just affects my anxiety and depression sometimes especially when they are acting up, usually triggers my anxiety. Apparently it's not normal to stay awake all night with your heart pounding and your mind racing and your body shaking with fear.

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like trauma perhaps? Have you tried working with a trauma specialist? Not just "trauma informed" but someone deeply trained and experienced in trauma perhaps multiply trained in various trauma modalities? Have you tried any trauma modalities at all? There are so many out there. Some that come to mind are, CRM, NARM, IFS, somatic experiencing, somatic psychotherapy, somatic touch therapy, various forms of breathwork, art therapy, sandtray therapy, clay field therapy. And How about More non traditional things like Neurofeedback, acupuncture, body work. There are more out there, these are Just some that come to mind, perhaps you can research these and see if any resonate.

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like trauma perhaps? Have you tried working with a trauma specialist? Not just "trauma informed" but someone deeply trained and experienced in trauma perhaps multiply trained in various trauma modalities? Have you tried any trauma modalities at all? There are so many out there. Some that come to mind are, CRM, NARM, IFS, somatic experiencing, somatic psychotherapy, somatic touch therapy, various forms of breathwork, art therapy, sandtray therapy, clay field therapy. And How about More non traditional things like Neurofeedback, acupuncture, body work. There are more out there, these are Just some that come to mind, perhaps you can research these and see if any resonate.

Also, have you tried seeing a functional med doctor to treat any physiological causes for your struggles? Getting tested for vitamin and mineral imbalances, thyroid issues and such? If you've only tried talk therapy before, there is a wooorld of other options out there to try.

 

[Roseate]

Thanks for sharing. Sounds like trauma perhaps? Have you tried working with a trauma specialist? Not just "trauma informed" but someone deeply trained and experienced in trauma perhaps multiply trained in various trauma modalities? Have you tried any trauma modalities at all? There are so many out there. Some that come to mind are, CRM, NARM, IFS, somatic experiencing, somatic psychotherapy, somatic touch therapy, various forms of breathwork, art therapy, sandtray therapy, clay field therapy. And How about More non traditional things like Neurofeedback, acupuncture, body work. There are more out there, these are Just some that come to mind, perhaps you can research these and see if any resonate.

Also, have you tried seeing a functional med doctor to treat any physiological causes for your struggles? Getting tested for vitamin and mineral imbalances, thyroid issues and such? If you've only tried talk therapy before, there is a wooorld of other options out there to try.

I've only ever tried talk therapy and meds and like I mentioned they do work just the sick feeling. Also I feel guilty like I've never considered it to be trauma. Idk. It might be.

 

[cherry7]

I've only ever tried talk therapy and meds and like I mentioned they do work just the sick feeling. Also I feel guilty like I've never considered it to be trauma. Idk. It might be.

Ah that's hopeful then that they work on some level. You mentioned family issues and not being able to express yourself growing up and being up in fear all night. Those made me think it's trauma. But the mental health care system is often not strong, putting labels and diagnoses on things, looking at difficult emotional experiences as disease, separate from anything else, rather than identifying the cause of the symptoms, which is more often than not, trauma. So it's not surprising that you never connected it as such.

 

[Roseate]

Ah that's hopeful then that they work on some level. You mentioned family issues and not being able to express yourself growing up and being up in fear all night. Those made me think it's trauma. But the mental health care system is often not strong, putting labels and diagnoses on things, looking at difficult emotional experiences as disease, separate from anything else, rather than identifying the cause of the symptoms, which is more often than not, trauma. So it's not surprising that you never connected it as such.

I guess other people actually go through actual abuse so I always felt like labeling it as trauma just wasn't right cuz I've never been abused. Just emotionally neglected for the most part.

 

[cherry7]

I guess other people actually go through actual abuse so I always felt like labeling it as trauma just wasn't right cuz I've never been abused. Just emotionally neglected for the most part.

I hear that. Yes, trauma comes in all shapes and sizes, emotional neglect being part of that for sure. A big one in fact. If you're interested in learning more, I can recommend Irene Lyon on YouTube as one of many good resources about that.