Old people who desperatly want to live

[Meteora]

My Landlady and Landlord are 81 and 85. They desperately want to be "young", at least they put an extreme effort in appearing still young and fit. They had a very privileged life, he was an economist, business consultant and she was a teacher. They have a lot of money, family, friends... everything.And of course a big house that they inherited. They are a good example how you have to be in order to be successful in this world: she's very manipulative, he is very arrogant. Of course they wanna live, lol, they feel entitled to treat others like that and are very selfish. They pretend to care for others but in reality all they care about is their own ego.
These are the people who survive.

 

[Dayrain]

Yes, I feel a certain disgust for old people who desperately want to live too. They are somehow like bad dictators who want to be in control of everything forever.

 

[Meteora]

They are somehow like bad dictators who want to be in control of everything forever.

That s a good picutre! That s how it feels, indeed.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Wouldn't you want to live if you had no problems?

I mean, sure, in this age (80+) there are certain general health issues, that's normal but must not really decrease ones life quality, for them their life in society is "safe", too.

Most people here don't want to live bc of their personal circumstances, bad health, childhood trauma and so on. I don't think we will get an objective result for this question from only the people who gather here.

I can relate to this couple! I would not want to die rather reach 100+ yo as long as my life is "good" (that's a subjective definition for each and everyone what a "good life" is).

 

[xinino]

Wouldn't you want to live if you had no problems?

No

My Landlady and Landlord are 81 and 85. They desperately want to be "young", at least they put an extreme effort in appearing still young and fit. They had a very privileged life, he was an economist, business consultant and she was a teacher. They have a lot of money, family, friends... everything.And of course a big house that they inherited. They are a good example how you have to be in order to be successful in this world: she's very manipulative, he is very arrogant. Of course they wanna live, lol, they feel entitled to treat others like that and are very selfish. They pretend to care for others but in reality all they care about is their own ego.
These are the people who survive.

I think they are more afraid from death and the unknown than just desire to live.

 

[Meteora]

Wouldn't you want to live if you had no problems?

I want to live a true life. I refuse to manipulate, play along with those idiotic people. I mirror them. That's when they start to hate me. Honestly, this attitude is ridiculous at this age, imo. It is very immature and the reason why this world is so f***ed up.

I can relate to this couple!

Oh that s scary. Personally, I m so glad that I am the opposite of those people.
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I think they are more afraid from death and the unknown than just desire to live.

That's also possible, yes. But they would NEVER admit that. Never.
Next time when he starts with "you know, we have to keep busy and train our mind to not get old", I guess I will say to him, "MIster S., I think you have not yet noticed that you already ARE very old" :D

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I want to live a true life. I refuse to manipulate, play along with those idiotic people. I mirror them. That's when they start to hate me. Honestly, this attitude is ridiculous at this age, imo. It is very immature and the reason why this world is so f***ed up.

Oh that s scary. Personally, I m so glad that I am the opposite of those people.

I don't know this couple and how they behave but not wanting to die is just natural. I can understand when they act in a way - socially - that you don't like - we don't like each an everyone but maybe I would be different in that age - certainly I'm different to them.

I agree, there are people of any age around us and we don't like them for various reasons but it has nothing to do with wanting to live even at an old age. Idk how to put this in better words.

 

[Ambivalent1]

No

I think they are more afraid from death and the unknown than just desire to live.

The elderly's cowardice of death makes them weak. Sure, they were successful in life, but the Great Unknown is our realm and they must suffer us

I want to live a true life. I refuse to manipulate, play along with those idiotic people. I mirror them. That's when they start to hate me. Honestly, this attitude is ridiculous at this age, imo. It is very immature and the reason why this world is so f***ed up.


Oh that s scary. Personally, I m so glad that I am the opposite of those people.
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That's also possible, yes. But they would NEVER admit that. Never.
Next time when he starts with "you know, we have to keep busy and train our mind to not get old", I guess I will say to him, "MIster S., I think you have not yet noticed that you already ARE very old" :D

"Hey mister. You suck, oldie moldy"

 

[Pluto]

 

[1MiserableGuy]

Ultimately this is more of a thing with fear of death. My grandmother is the type. Before she lost her mind her own advanced directive instructs to keep her alive as long as possible, and it's painful watching her suffer like that but it's what she requested when her mind was lucid. They fear the unknown, so they delay it as long as possible.

 

[kavina]

I want to live a true life. I refuse to manipulate, play along with those idiotic people. I mirror them. That's when they start to hate me. Honestly, this attitude is ridiculous at this age, imo. It is very immature and the reason why this world is so f***ed up.


Oh that s scary. Personally, I m so glad that I am the opposite of those people.
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That's also possible, yes. But they would NEVER admit that. Never.
Next time when he starts with "you know, we have to keep busy and train our mind to not get old", I guess I will say to him, "MIster S., I think you have not yet noticed that you already ARE very old" :D

But are you the opposite of them? The things we hate in others are often things we resemble ourselves. Not saying you are at all like them but it's worth thinking about. You may have done more thinking about it than they ever have put together.

I am really down on the whole world -- the ones who willfully deny that Covid is still harming and killing people every day, and everyone is sick and are just accepting it as "normal". It's not normal. Covid is airborne AIDS and our leaders just wanted our butts back at work and back at stores. Schools get paid for butts in seats. Delta Airlines' CEO lobbied the CDC to reduce the isolation period with Covid from 10 days to 5 because he was upset that he was losing money, and the CDC went along with it. They didn't stick to the science and their obligation to public health, they just capitulated to the rich. They did it again when they reduce isolation to just 24 hours. It's insane. Covid hasn't disappeared. People are losing IQ points every infection they have so maybe that's why they don't care that they're going to just keep getting infected until their body can't take anymore.

But isn't it arrogant and selfish of those people to just put everyone else at risk? No attempts to preserve or protect anyone. No effort at all. Not even outrage that so many people are being forcibly infected against their will out there. Not a peep from anywhere.

To me, if you don't help in the Covid fight by at least advocating for mitigations and proper science to be adhered to, you're arrogant and selfish and entitled, too. The world is burning around us and most people don't care. I don't see how that's any different from being manipulative or otherwise corrupt.

 

[cosmic-freedom]

I can bet these people are terrified of death.Death is a singular entity,that can put these people in their place.It shows that they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Meteora]

It shows that they mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah exactely. And they cannot deal with that truth because they pretended a whole life long they re something special.

I even dreamt of them last night, she being bitchy to me, manipulative, devaluate me as always...

 

[Callie Arcale]

I say let them enjoy their life. It's theirs to live as they see fit.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

There are lots of old people who still have a very good quality of life, why wouldn't they want to live when that is the case? My grandmother is also in her 80s and up until recently when she suffered from a terrible accident, she had a much better quality of life and level of fitness compared to me, someone 1/4 her age. She didn't develop any lingering health problems at all until a few years ago, and even then she could still do all the things she loves and enjoy her life.

Even though I am hopelessly suicidal and will be for the rest of my life, I can understand why people who enjoy their lives want to live for as long as possible. Sometimes people are afraid of death and sometimes they aren't if they have deep religious convictions and a belief they are going to a better place. For older people who have good health, money, family, etc, it makes complete sense why they will want to hold onto that for as long as possible, even though we all know happiness can't last forever.

Aging is a terrible thing, so I wish everyone could have good health for as long as possible. While ill health statistically effects older people more, it doesn't mean every older person will develop a bad condition that significantly impairs their quality of life.

 

[Meteora]

Aging is a terrible thing, so I wish everyone could have good health for as long as possible

I don t think aging is a terrible thing. It is not easy, yes. But I think it can be a bliss.

There are lots of old people who still have a very good quality of life, why wouldn't they want to live when that is the case?

That's not the point. I m not sure if you read my post.

 

[KillingPain267]

They have SI

But if I was their age I would be excited for a chance of passing in my sleep any day soon

 

[Meteora]

They have SI

But if I was their age I would be excited for a chance of passing in my sleep any day soon

Me too, I envy them.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I don t think aging is a terrible thing. It is not easy, yes. But I think it can be a bliss.

That's not the point. I m not sure if you read my post.

I did read your post, and you said they are privileged, successful, and try to stay looking young and fit. Maybe I misunderstood the question or intention of the post.

I was trying to say, of course people who are in that position will probably enjoy their life and want to live for as long as possible, regardless of age. They probably want to maintain their good health for as long as possible and not have to deplete their wealth on any medical treatments or home nursing care. Getting older is scary for many elderly people for this reason.

They have mistreated you which is unfair and not right, but honestly how they view you or others and how they treat people likely does not impact their desire to live or not, as @Praestat_Mori put a lot more eloquently than I can. We never know what other people are feeling, but if people enjoy their lives and have been successful it generally follows that they will want to live as long as that quality of life and happiness can be maintained.

I think a lot of older people feel differently than the average user of this forum. They don't want their time to be up, while many here embrace the fact that life is temporary.

 

[Meteora]

I was trying to say, of course people who are in that position will probably enjoy their life and want to live for as long as possible, regardless of age. They probably want to maintain their good health for as long as possible and not have to deplete their wealth on any medical treatments or home nursing care.

Guess you have quite different values in life than I do.

We never know what other people are feeling, but if people enjoy their lives and have been successful it generally follows that they will want to live as long as that quality of life and happiness can be maintained.

I still think, you don't get my point.
This "we never know what other people's feelings are" is a very common and equally lame excuse for bad, boundary crossing behaviour, in my opinion.

Nevermind. These people teach me to be manipulative and unfair, too. They basically invite me to be an asshole :D. And then will be the first ones to complain :).

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Guess you have quite different values in life than I do.


I still think, you don't get my point.
This "we never know what other people's feelings are" is a very common and equally lame excuse for bad, boundary crossing behaviour, in my opinion.

Nevermind. These people teach me to be manipulative and unfair, too. They basically invite me to be an asshole :D. And then will be the first ones to complain :).

Personally, I am on this forum because of health issues, a bad childhood, grief, no family, and a lack of support due to a life of abuse and neglect. if I didn't have these issues I would not want to ctb.

I don't think life is inherently bad, as much as I hate many cruel and unfair aspects of nature, I just hate my own life and want to escape it. There have been brief, ephemeral periods of my life where I did not want to die just yet because I was clinging onto hope that I would be cured somehow. I don't want to be suicidal, but life has forced this hand of seeking death on me. This is my outlook regarding the end.

I think there are good things in life and they are simply inaccessible for me due to bad luck, but people who have good health (no mental or physical illness) for the most part do want to live. I don't think it is false for me to say that inherently poor health and lack of resources is a main driver of making people feel hopeless.

I am not sure if you've understood what I'm trying to say, because I am not defending their behaviour towards you whatsoever, nor am I trying to make excuses for their treatment of you, because I particularly find it horrible when someone who is successful and enjoying their lives kicks someone who is already down and struggling, who does not get the same luxuries they do. I think it is wrong and not acceptable.

I was only trying to explain why people in their position (and many older people in general) might not have the same outlook towards death that some forum users may have. Maybe I understand a bit better now what you were trying to say, I know and understand how deeply unfair it feels when someone who treats you badly gets to enjoy life to the fullest when you are hurting and suicidal.