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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
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Some therapists took me serious. And it depended on the time period. Some therapists took me serious sometimes and sometimes not.

I have 3 stories in my mind. 4 years ago I was in a clinic. Two therapists have given me up to that time prior to the clinic stay. I was obsessed with that thought which should be understandable. I told the therapist at the clnic I am not fully sure whether this might be a paranoid thought and she fully pretened it was one without digging deeper. I know as a fact my therapist said to me: "It is easier for you just to give up. You are smart enough to recognize that. A clinic stay would probably be better for you know." She went on saying that other form of therapies won't change much because my autism was too deeply entrenchened in my personality. Tbh there was some bullshit and some truth in this statement. Yes I am a hopless case. But 1 year afterwards I improved which also surprised the therapists who have given up on me. The thing I really dislike they were so fucking fast at judging my case without digging deeper. So they just called me delusional. I swallowed it down because I improved and hoped for an happy end.

I was pretty suicidal (still am) 2-3 months ago. My psychiatrist took it serious. But they forget it so fucking fast. And if I don't remind them they just act like the thoughts disappeared. (Tomorrow I have an appointment with her I am not sure how honest I should be.) Some weeks later I had a new appointment. And she told me seems like college does not make much sense anymore it is time for an alternative. I am well aware of that fact. This is what makes me so suicidal. I have no alternative though. I told her that. I told her I am extremely struggling with my part-time studying and I am clinging on that because that's my last and only hope. I told her I am really desperate. She just laughed and told me well you just elaborated on the way to go for you. I considered her laughter as quite offensive. I know it is totally pathetic but I literally have no other chance. However, more and more do I think suicide is better than going back to college. And I might tell her that tomorrow. But the clinic report might calm her down. And this is the last story.

College deteriorated my health physically and mentally in a dramatic way. I was acute suicidal and went to the clinic (the same as the one of story one but with different therapists). The staff was well aware how horrible my life quality and how hopeless my case is. They took me serious. At the last day I told my therapist that the clinic stay helped. I wanted to maintain the chance of coming back in case I needed it. Tbh it did not help that much but it costed a lot of money. (my insurance). I was scared to say that barely anything changed. I have extreme anxiety about poverty. I will not survive on welfare and I openly communicated that.
In my clinic report it says something like. "We have worked on the fixation of the patient about his allegedly hopeless future and achieved that he adapted a more rational and realistic perspective of his future." LMAO. I cannot take this serious. It was the same statement than the thing the therapist of story one wrote. Is this something they write in almost all reports of this clinic? Honestly, it gives me the vibes they label all suicidal patients (there were many in this clnic) as irrational. This is why I cannot really take it serious. I think they are aware there are hopeless cases. I have tried over 25 medication, I am suicidal since more than a decade, this was my sixth clinic stay, I had 3 psychotherapies. I cannot work and poverty will kill me. I am very well aware about the prospects of my future. Writing something like that in the clnic report is sort of offensive. But it does not change much anyway. I am going to kill myself anyway. I am a little bit scared this optimistic report could decrease my chance to get Germany's NEET money called "Pflegegeld". Someone in this forum told me about that but sadly she is not active on here anymore. I would need her help.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

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Therapy is reine Scheiße.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I don't really know enough about therapy but sometimes I wonder if they aren't playing mind games.

Like initially- when you said that therapist said to you: 'It would be easier for you just to give up. You are smart enough to know that.' In part- that sounds like flattering your intelligence and self awareness but it also sounds like reverse psychology to me. It's obvious that you are in fact quite a determined fighter. I wonder if she said this in order to provoke you to fight back. More or less telling someobe they may as well give up can sometimes have the reverse effect.

I definitely would feel upset if someone laughed at my situation though. This is the sort of thing that always used to trouble me about therapy. I wouldn't want to end up feeling more invalidated! I'm sorry they weren't more useful.
 
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noname223

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I don't really know enough about therapy but sometimes I wonder if they aren't playing mind games.

Like initially- when you said that therapist said to you: 'It would be easier for you just to give up. You are smart enough to know that.' In part- that sounds like flattering your intelligence and self awareness but it also sounds like reverse psychology to me. It's obvious that you are in fact quite a determined fighter. I wonder if she said this in order to provoke you to fight back. More or less telling someobe they may as well give up can sometimes have the reverse effect.

I definitely would feel upset if someone laughed at my situation though. This is the sort of thing that always used to trouble me about therapy. I wouldn't want to end up feeling more invalidated! I'm sorry they weren't more useful.
Thanks a lot for your reply. I think it wasn't reverse psychology. She was just a horrible therapist.

I just came home from my appointment with my psychiatrist. I told her I consider to kill myself in October when college re-starts. I told her college triggers the shit out of me and it is pure torture. She said we have to find a perspective for me. And her answer is being on weffare. She told me this is not as horrible as I imagine it. I told her my family says the opposite and pressures me. And I told her this pressure might drive me to commit suicide.

I told my parents that she suggests I should stop college. I think they are disappointed.
 
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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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Thanks a lot for your reply. I think it wasn't reverse psychology. She was just a horrible therapist.

I just came home from my appointment with my psychiatrist. I told her I consider to kill myself in October when college re-starts. I told her college triggers the shit out of me and it is pure torture. She said we have to find a perspective for me. And her answer is being on weffare. She told me this is not as horrible as I imagine it. I told her my family says the opposite and pressures me. And I told her this pressure might drive me to commit suicide.

I told my parents that she suggests I should stop college. I think they are disappointed.


Both makes sense really. If a situation is the cause of all your stress and it feels pointless anyhow, it makes sense not to expose yourself to it again. But obviously, you likely do need other plans in place.

Not trying to upset you but, will quitting not also be upsetting for you? Is there any way you could try to adjust your thinking so that you put less pressure on yourself but, complete the course? I don't know. You know yourself best of all. I only know me. I did two BA degrees. I seriously considered quitting in the second year of my second course because, everything felt like it was going so badly. In the end, I was glad that I didn't. Only you really know yourself though. What this means to you. How much it might or might not help you.

It's good that she's talking about practical things though- like getting benefits. Will she suppprt you in your application?

And yes- it's also predictable that your parents would act disappointed. I think our parents want to believe we are normal and capable. No matter how much evidence there is to the contrary! I suppose at the end of the day, they want the best for us. Even if that's just the signs of living a 'normal' life. Studying, working, socialising. All that. They likely also worry about what the alternative may be and whether that will be any better.

Sometimes, I find it almost funny. A family member (kindly) rang me the other day. My 'career' is terribly precarious. It's creative freelance. My family do (kindly) ask my Dad about me when they talk to him and it's obvious that when I don't have work, he tells all. So- they were happy to hear that I'm very busy at the moment. Which at least used to make sense. My work used to be everything to me. But they actually said- 'You have work. That's the most important thing.' And I thought- yeah- that sums it up really as a society doesn't it? I'm a more or less functioning cog in the machine. Nevermind about anything else. I can't actually wait to say- 'screw work, screw being a functioning member of society and screw this shitty life!' Not spoken of course- but by CTB.
 
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noname223

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Both makes sense really. If a situation is the cause of all your stress and it feels pointless anyhow, it makes sense not to expose yourself to it again. But obviously, you likely do need other plans in place.

Not trying to upset you but, will quitting not also be upsetting for you? Is there any way you could try to adjust your thinking so that you put less pressure on yourself but, complete the course? I don't know. You know yourself best of all. I only know me. I did two BA degrees. I seriously considered quitting in the second year of my second course because, everything felt like it was going so badly. In the end, I was glad that I didn't. Only you really know yourself though. What this means to you. How much it might or might not help you.

It's good that she's talking about practical things though- like getting benefits. Will she suppprt you in your application?

And yes- it's also predictable that your parents would act disappointed. I think our parents want to believe we are normal and capable. No matter how much evidence there is to the contrary! I suppose at the end of the day, they want the best for us. Even if that's just the signs of living a 'normal' life. Studying, working, socialising. All that. They likely also worry about what the alternative may be and whether that will be any better.

Sometimes, I find it almost funny. A family member (kindly) rang me the other day. My 'career' is terribly precarious. It's creative freelance. My family do (kindly) ask my Dad about me when they talk to him and it's obvious that when I don't have work, he tells all. So- they were happy to hear that I'm very busy at the moment. Which at least used to make sense. My work used to be everything to me. But they actually said- 'You have work. That's the most important thing.' And I thought- yeah- that sums it up really as a society doesn't it? I'm a more or less functioning cog in the machine. Nevermind about anything else. I can't actually wait to say- 'screw work, screw being a functioning member of society and screw this shitty life!' Not spoken of course- but by CTB.
Quitting college will make me pretty suicidal I am quite sure about that. But going to college will make me suicidal too. My psychiatrist suggested another clinic stay in October. Lol. My seventh one in my life. I have the feeling to justify that I should be pretty suicial. I will again tell them I am in a suicide forum lol. This will scare them. Not sure whether I should take SN. I am studying part-time and I am close to collapsing. I will never be able to work anyway. I rather kill myself than to return to college. I have extreme high expectations for myself and I have the feeling I deserve a punishment when I quit college. I pressure me in an insane way. Under my conditions most people would have quitted after one semester I did five.

I have the feeling she bullshitted me when she pretended welfare wasn't that terrible. I don't have the feeling it is her conviction instead she wanted to keep me at bay. I think I won't survive welfare. My parents retire in a few years. Not sure when there is the best time to kill myself. Maybe hoping for an AI revolution and human work is replaced by technology. Maybe that's my biggest shot. Lol. I am pretty desperate and my family certainly scares me about welfare.
 
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lost_ange2211

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May 29, 2024
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I have to say i have come across really different opinions and impressions about therapy itself and all kind of people who work for the mental health system.

Some of the bad ones: I had a therapist asking me why i was even taking the sessions because he had the impression that i do not care or want to be there. Of course i was startled back then, because i obviously came to get help. - made me think about giving up on therapy in total.
I had a mental health nurse at a mental ward bother me every time she was there with a paper i had to write for college back then (Because i told them about it and wanted to write it). She even went as far to ask/tell another patient who had experience in the same field to help me. Which was not just unprofessional, totally overbearing but also made both of us really uncomfortable as she insisted us to sit together and go through it. - total crazy if you ask me.
I was extreme suicidal during one stay at a mental health ward. They knew i refused to take meds. They always told us to go talk to them if we have bad thoughts, whatever and well when i did that they did not even take the time to talk to me but just said that they can give me meds to calm me down. - great help really
I experienced how a guy was broken down by the administration team of the mental ward, which made me really mad as we all had a reason to be there and they just made him cry because of some shit.
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On the other hand side i also have experienced great mental health services. Ranging from group therapy, over therapy sessions, great psychiatrists, people who take your thoughts and problem serious. People who actually care about you and want you to get better. People who support you and help you to recover. People (doctors) who help you with paperwork for insurance/agencies/ and other stuff.

It really depends on the individual you are dealing with and the facility you are at. Some do great work , have good teams of therapists, doctors, nurses and social workers who work together to assist you. Others have bad communication, bad therapists and seem to just to their basic daily job to get money.

I am sorry to hear that you had more bad experience than good ones.

And yeah i can relate to the money problems too. It is not easy to try to recover if your existence is threatened like that. Maybe social services could help you with your "Pflegegeld"?
 
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Jun 7, 2024
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One of the build-in limitations of psychology is that it is a study of the individuals. So, when the problem causing someone to suffer is systematic and inescapable, all mainstream psychological treatments can do is to change your 'perspectives' of the world by correcting your 'chemical imbalance in the brain', 'cognitive distortions', and 'maladaptive behaviors'. I feel you, I find this to be incredibly invalidating too.
 
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Feb 20, 2023
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I agree, it feels like therapists are laughing at what I'm telling them as I speak.
 
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Jun 15, 2024
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those therapists sound infuriating noname

half the therapists i've been to have been extremely cruel, they called me a liar for every thing i said, mocked me for being upset, interrogated me ignoring i was obviously extremely stressed by them, and talked condescendingly while i was nothing but honest n polite. the other few were nice but did absolutely nothing to help me whatsoever. just gave me colouring-ins n told me to stop being upset
 
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sancta-simplicitas

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Dec 14, 2023
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Most therapists are snooty trustfund kids who have an idea of themselves as intellectual empaths. But then when they get out in the real world, and faces real problems that box breathing and radical acceptance can't solve, most of them haven't got a clue at what to fucking do. Although they'd never admit it, because their fancy degree earned them the titles as Conversation Experts™.
 
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