Idk, but if Bernie doesn't win, I'm ctbing for sure.
TAW122
Emissary of the right to die.
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I would say the odds of having UBI becoming law or mainstream is really really slim. As for whether another presidential candidate my bring the subject up again, it's possible. However, as of now, it's not coming anytime soon... The upside though is that it has sparked discussion in the subject and raised some awareness about AI and automation, loss of jobs, etc.
I think a universal basic income is essential especially given what's about to happen with AI, millions will be jobless.
My faith is pretty shaken
In my head (rightly or wrongly), the thing that keeps coming up is that whether or not robots do most of the work and people's needs are mostly provided for eventually, that "eventual" date will be too far to save me
I don't want to go down a rabbit-hole too much with this and drag all of you down into it with me but I'm worried I severely underestimated how willing the government is to just sentence me to slave labor or something like that arbitrarily
(Perhaps essentially like all world governments are like that)
Sobering thought
Sad
In my head (rightly or wrongly), the thing that keeps coming up is that whether or not robots do most of the work and people's needs are mostly provided for eventually, that "eventual" date will be too far to save me
I don't want to go down a rabbit-hole too much with this and drag all of you down into it with me but I'm worried I severely underestimated how willing the government is to just sentence me to slave labor or something like that arbitrarily
(Perhaps essentially like all world governments are like that)
Sobering thought
Sad
Do you think it'll be possible to be homeless under Bernie?
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If he had won: In his first year in office (as all the candidates like to say, "When I'm elected, on Day One...")? No chance. By the end of his second term? I think so.
But, since he's suspending his campaign, as things stand now? The other candidates will tease it as a talking point, but with no intention of ever actually doing it.
But, since he's suspending his campaign, as things stand now? The other candidates will tease it as a talking point, but with no intention of ever actually doing it.
It would absolutely never happen in the US
As much as I would love it if he won, it's never going to happen. Trump will for sure win a second term.
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The country is bound to just continue being divided to the point where nothing will ever improve on most issues.
Best case scenario in my mind is some kind of mass extinction event.
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The United States is nowhere near bringing in a basic income. Your best bet will be something at a state or municipal level. Nationally though? The US is at least a generation away from it, probably multiple generations.
People like floating the idea, but actually implementing it is a whole other thing.
There was a study published recently about how Canada could do it, and its minimum cost added up to almost half the entire national budget. This cost would be significantly offset by the social benefits of having a UBI and by the elimination of redundant services, but it's still too much for the public to accept right now.
In general, if you have a politician who says they are in favour of a basic income, then that is a politician to vote for. But don't expect them to actually come through with it any time soon because the public just isn't ready for it.
People like floating the idea, but actually implementing it is a whole other thing.
There was a study published recently about how Canada could do it, and its minimum cost added up to almost half the entire national budget. This cost would be significantly offset by the social benefits of having a UBI and by the elimination of redundant services, but it's still too much for the public to accept right now.
In general, if you have a politician who says they are in favour of a basic income, then that is a politician to vote for. But don't expect them to actually come through with it any time soon because the public just isn't ready for it.
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I don't know what to tell you or any other American suffering right now as far as how to alleviate that suffering. Maybe someone else has an answer to that. I feel for you, but I can't think of anything to say that would help or make you feel better. I wish I could.
What's needed,
1) remove Trump from office
2) repair the damage done in the 4-8 years he's been in office
3) resume progression
Things may get worse before they get better.
If another Republican is elected between steps 1 and 2, then the social situation in the United States will remain stagnant.
You need the Democrats, and you need them in power as often and as long as possible. Always. (as long as you're stuck with your two-party system, anyway)
What's needed,
1) remove Trump from office
2) repair the damage done in the 4-8 years he's been in office
3) resume progression
Things may get worse before they get better.
If another Republican is elected between steps 1 and 2, then the social situation in the United States will remain stagnant.
You need the Democrats, and you need them in power as often and as long as possible. Always. (as long as you're stuck with your two-party system, anyway)
Mr2005
Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
- Sep 25, 2018
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I could be wrong, and I don't want to make this discussion sound bad, but I wouldn't really want to be homeless or in prison under any president, or working a shitty job
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Mr2005
Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
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How long is eventually?
They seem to be anti-gun, which is a suicide device of some kind (although multi-use)
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No one is ever going to officially support conventional suicide, and certainly not with the use of a firearm.
There is a movement towards medical assistance in dying, however, where a peaceful exit is arranged under medical supervision.
How long? Who knows, but probably before UBI becomes a thing. Several states already have this in place for the terminally ill.
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If you have a severe mental health diagnosis and multiple doctors agree that you're a candidate for assisted dying, then yes.
So you disagree with Nitschke's sentiment that anybody should rationally be able to choose when to commit suicide?
Can I give "tired of life" as my reason if I'm in my early twenties?
Edit: If being depressed enough is considered a severe enough mental illness, then that might be fine, but isn't there also a current in the modern assisted-suicide process that pushes for people to have to be able to "be of sound mind" to opt for assisted suicide?
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This is a significant digression from the topic, but no, I don't think "anybody" should be able to. If that was the case, then for starters, you'd have people doing it as a means of avoiding consequences for actions they would otherwise not have done.
Probably not in your lifetime. Not in the United States.
Well, you could also make the argument that if people were allowed to commit suicide in the first place, they might not have gotten to the point where they did something horrible
I would personally really like to be able to just kill myself because I'm tired of living and afraid for the future
Is there anything you'd recommend that I do?
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I agree with that as well, but only as a correlation. I believe that a society that allows the mentally ill access to assisted dying is inherently a better society to live in because that society likely will also have several other progressive features or at least be moving towards them (better income equality, better social services, better mental health services, better health coverage, better access to education and good-paying employment, and so forth).
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm with you, there. Well, I don't fear the future, but I'm definitely waaaay tired of living. I know how it is.
I wish I had a real answer for you. I'd say keep checking in with us here. Read other mental health support sites and interact with people if you can (I find Reddit good for this). Solicit advice when you need it, and help other people where you can. And try to immerse yourself in distractions... video games, television, movies, YouTube, books... whatever that might look like for you.
But you would condemn me if I somehow found a way to painlessly kill myself?
"Read other mental health support sites and interact with people if you can (I find Reddit good for this). Solicit advice when you need it, and help other people where you can. And try to immerse yourself in distractions... video games, television, movies, YouTube, books... whatever that might look like for you."
Easier said than done
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Condemn you? Far from it, no.
It makes me sad to hear someone is at this point.
I don't fault people who die by suicide. I fault the circumstances that pushed them over the edge.
Why Do Some Homeless People Have Cell Phones? - Invisible People
You may think people who can’t afford the basics shouldn’t have access to luxuries like cell phones. But, in today's world, cell phones are not a luxury.
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Is this your dream for me? Or smuggling cellphones into prison?
The worst part about that would be fighting for chargers and outlets; that's not even a joke, that's pretty harsh often in just regular life settings so in places where people fuck each other up that badly it must be hell
Particularly if they slow the rate of technological advancement down
Thank you
Would you be cool with there being widespread peaceful means for me to go about taking my own life?
(Let's say Nembutal and Debreathers become legal and cheap and widespread)
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Now on sale at your local pharmacy: "Suicide In a Jar"
Somehow I have a difficult time picturing this, but let's say... I wouldn't fight it.
Nobody should have to worry about going homeless (or worry about going to prison as a means to keep shelter). A lot of people do, though, because the people who have the ability to prevent it or fix the homelessness problem are too greedy to see it done (which goes back to the reason why Universal Basic Income hasn't happened yet).
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