Nobody cares until you die: Its not fair people shouldnt have to die for their lives to matter

[FireFox]

If were to kill myself sucessfully the same bullshit society along with my family and community will be talking about how my death is "tragic" and be preaching about suicide prevention and "reaching out"

The same society and people that did not give a shit about me when I alive nor didn't listen either or helped me with my problems so I live a good quality of live. It is these same people who treated me like an inconvenience in their lives whenever I reached out.

It should not take someone dying and no longer being present for people and communities to finally start seeing value in that individual. People should be appreciated alwsys in life and shown they do matter and belong.

Nobody cares until you die is just so not fair.

 

[Lulzacruel]

till people understand this, there will be dumbasses claiming that "nothing could be done" or idiots like Tantacruel who poke in moral issues without understanding them and claiming that anything short of continuing the suffering of these people is "evil" (you are a UX developer, not an ethicist.)

 

[levatating.needle]

Yeah I feel that honestly, its so messed up that in this world if you're not some crazy genius who "added something to the world" then you don't matter to a lot of people. People honestly just lack empathy. We are all human so in theory we should all care about other humans but people just don't seem to and it sucks.

 

[hellispink]

They don't care not even after. They will cry and remember maybe a few days or months. But eventually they will act like one never existed. For me, if i was forgotten being alive, i cant expect someone really caring after i am out. After i am out of here i dont really need anyone to care anymore as its too late i am gonna be dead forever

 

[FuneralCry]

I certainly do think that humans are very self centred after all, but anyway I believe that we will all be forgotten about eventually anyway, as everyone that we knew will inevitably die and I think that many don't even care after the person has left, they are just focused on their own existence instead.

 

[nadia225]

If were to kill myself sucessfully the same bullshit society along with my family and community will be talking about how my death is "tragic" and be preaching about suicide prevention and "reaching out"

The same society and people that did not give a shit about me when I alive nor didn't listen either or helped me with my problems so I live a good quality of live. It is these same people who treated me like an inconvenience in their lives whenever I reached out.

It should not take someone dying and no longer being present for people and communities to finally start seeing value in that individual. People should be appreciated alwsys in life and shown they do matter and belong.

Nobody cares until you die is just so not fair.

people are not reliable whatsoever filled with faults and unrecognizable fucked up ideals in their head that makes them view the world and people different. Can't depend on others for anything not sympathy not compassion not love not anything unfortunately. So yeah it isn't really fair at all.

 

[Nezumi04]

I was actually ruminating about these kinds of thoughts lately too. There are people in my life right now that treat me like I don't matter or exist to them... and, it made me wonder... if they don't care about me now when I'm living, why would they suddenly care after I'm gone? It's kinda sad that people could treat you like you're already dead to them to begin with.

I suppose, humans have a tendency to be pretty self-absorbed and can forget about others around them.. taking them for granted, until actually losing them for real.

 

[NoHorizon]

I totally agree with this. Why isn't the tragedy right now, when someone is contemplating death because of how they have been treated in life? But people are only capable of truly being sad for someone once they've died, as while alive patience for it is apparently limited. I'll make a bigger impact on people by dying than by living and telling them how I feel.

 

[Doz]

If were to kill myself sucessfully the same bullshit society along with my family and community will be talking about how my death is "tragic" and be preaching about suicide prevention and "reaching out"

The same society and people that did not give a shit about me when I alive nor didn't listen either or helped me with my problems so I live a good quality of live. It is these same people who treated me like an inconvenience in their lives whenever I reached out.

It should not take someone dying and no longer being present for people and communities to finally start seeing value in that individual. People should be appreciated alwsys in life and shown they do matter and belong.

Nobody cares until you die is just so not fair.

Truth is people are too caught up in their own lives to care. We just get those same bullshit brush-off statements like "Things will get better". The people who truly care will notice and make an effort for you. Unfortunately the likelihood of finding someone like that is lower than finding a leprechaun.

 

[brokeandbroken]

If were to kill myself sucessfully the same bullshit society along with my family and community will be talking about how my death is "tragic" and be preaching about suicide prevention and "reaching out"

The same society and people that did not give a shit about me when I alive nor didn't listen either or helped me with my problems so I live a good quality of live. It is these same people who treated me like an inconvenience in their lives whenever I reached out.

It should not take someone dying and no longer being present for people and communities to finally start seeing value in that individual. People should be appreciated alwsys in life and shown they do matter and belong.

Nobody cares until you die is just so not fair.

So there's multiple pieces to this particular puzzle. Some I agree with and some I don't.... I don't believe a lot of people find it tragic. In fact maybe in some cases a relief. I think it's generally an act. Here is why. Words are cheap. Actions mean everything. Words are easy. Actions are hard. Some crocodile tears and kind words are easy. How did they act when that person was alive?

I'm sorry people treat you like shit. I have that happening to me too.

So no I think it is even more tragic. They don't when they are alive and they don't care when you are dead.

That said I mean it when I say if you need someone to talk to reach out to me.

 

[onbekend]

If were to kill myself sucessfully the same bullshit society along with my family and community will be talking about how my death is "tragic" and be preaching about suicide prevention and "reaching out"

The same society and people that did not give a shit about me when I alive nor didn't listen either or helped me with my problems so I live a good quality of live. It is these same people who treated me like an inconvenience in their lives whenever I reached out.

It should not take someone dying and no longer being present for people and communities to finally start seeing value in that individual. People should be appreciated alwsys in life and shown they do matter and belong.

Nobody cares until you die is just so not fair.

What's worse is when they say things like "Just get over it", or "I suffered from depression too" or just flat out deny your issues and put you down for even showing the slightest bit of weakness, as if it helps you in some way. It's why I have never come forward to anybody I know personally about my intention to CTB.

 

[a.fool]

People cry for 3 days and then everybody forgets! That is the ultimate truth afterall, nobody cares.

 

[Abyssal]

Anyone who disagrees with this has been very fortunate. I can look back and think of people who only acted after I'd been hospitalized twice to get me out of their lives.

 

[ScubaCTB]

Just think - how many billions of humans have lived on this hell planet? Let's just say 200 billion. A fraction of 1% of all humans who ever lived are still remembered today. And nearly all of them are disgusting, evil people (Presidents, Fuhrers, mass murderers, war criminals, etc.).

In fairness I hope nobody finds my body for at least a year or even suspects I'm gone. I don't want any attention at all. Just want to disappear, like 99.9999% of humans in history. Death is an industry. Caskets, funerals, wakes, etc. Family or friends could just bury our own bodies in the woods. But then nobody makes money, so it's illegal.

 

[FireFox]

People cry for 3 days and then everybody forgets! That is the ultimate truth afterall, nobody cares.

@a.fool This is what annoys me about the Netflix show 13 reasons why, a teen drama. If you have not seen it it's about a builled school girl called Hannah Baker who made 13 tapes addressed to her bullying classmates that drove her to kill herself as well as the school community that didn't give a shit about her when she was being bullied.

The people in the school are horrified about her suicide and others do feel guilty over how they couldn't save her and for the times they made life her difficult at school. The show has been used for suicide prevention and mental health awareness despite the controversy

The show is total bullshit because in real life most people will move on when someone kills themselves the only who will care are the persons closet family. Bullies do not care if a person kills themselves there was an Irish teenager called Phoebe Prince who moved to America and was builled everyday in her new school. She killed herself at 15, the case caused controversy as people demanded the builles be jailed but the state prosecutors chose not to go down that route. Her builles showed no remorse. Rescently one of the buillies was discovered to have job as a nurse, a house in a middle class area and is married.

People move on

EXCLUSIVE: Bully who tormented Irish teen so badly she killed herself

In now-deleted posts from her social media, Narey has posted updates of her achievements since the court case, milestones Prince's mother was robbed of sharing with her daughter.

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Anyone who disagrees with this has been very fortunate. I can look back and think of people who only acted after I'd been hospitalized twice to get me out of their lives.

@Abyssal Virtual hug and sending lots of love to you

Difficult times reveal which friends or family members truly loved and cared for us. A couple of years ago a young woman shared a story on twitter. She used to throw huge parties at her house and was very popular with lots of friends. When she was seriously sick and fighting for her life in hospital NONE of her friends and party friends didn't vist her in hospital.

Your experience shows those people never cared about you and your better off without them. People who genuinely care and love you will not abandon you in your hour of need.

 

[a.fool]

@a.fool This is what annoys me about the Netflix show 13 reasons why, a teen drama. If you have not seen it it's about a builled school girl called Hannah Baker who made 13 tapes addressed to her bullying classmates that drove her to kill herself as well as the school community that didn't give a shit about her when she was being bullied.

The people in the school are horrified about her suicide and others do feel guilty over how they couldn't save her and for the times they made life her difficult at school. The show has been used for suicide prevention and mental health awareness despite the controversy

The show is total bullshit because in real life most people will move on when someone kills themselves the only who will care are the persons closet family. Bullies do not care if a person kills themselves there was an Irish teenager called Phoebe Prince who moved to America and was builled everyday in her new school. She killed herself at 15, the case caused controversy as people demanded the builles be jailed but the state prosecutors chose not to go down that route. Her builles showed no remorse. Rescently one of the buillies was discovered to have job as a nurse, a house in a middle class area and is married.

People move on

Exactly! People do move on.
I have seen 13 Reasons why. Hannah was not only bullied but also raped and I don't think the show made any impact. The people who get bullied could relate but the one who bully others do not care, they do not change.

 

[FireFox]

What's worse is when they say things like "Just get over it", or "I suffered from depression too" or just flat out deny your issues and put you down for even showing the slightest bit of weakness, as if it helps you in some way. It's why I have never come forward to anybody I know personally about my intention to CTB.

"What's worse is when they say things like "Just get over it", or "I suffered from depression too" or just flat out deny your issues and put you down"

Tell me about it these people are the biggest sanctimonious arseholes and pieces of shit because they do not understand that just because they were able to overcome it is NOT the same for everyone. What worked for one person may not work for another person we are all different.

I experienced this rescently. I used to belong to a digital detox group that promotes wellness and a lifestyle of trying to spend less time online by promoting particular methods to achieve this. People in the community regularly shared there own experiences of being victims of online bullying and harassment.

In the community I shared my experiences of being dismissed by other women in online communities for women whenever I share my sadness of being single and never being successful in love while other women I grew up with are getting married. The men and women in the community pretty much didn't listen, blamed me for being single, patronised judged me. It was a nightmare which was why I left.

● One woman let's call her A - She said I need to "put myself out there". I already explained I have the natural confidence to talk to people but all my life guys ignored me and dont want to know me. She responded saying how "use dating apps". I explained I don't feel comfortable using dating apps because me being a black woman growing up my whole life I have experienced never being seen as pretty while racial groups got desired even men of my own race harassed me and abused me while they were always nicer to the white women and girls. I read dating apps have a very low succes rate for black women I don't want to go through a competition I won't win. She is a white woman, she doesn't get how hard it is for black women to find love due to society and men attracted to eurocentric standards of beauty.

She proceeds to criticise me for my poor "attitude" and how its my fault I am single. She went on about her experiences of not being attractive and having a facial swelling deformity and how she met her husband on a dating app. Not everyone is lucky

● Another woman let's call her B- she talked about her experiences of male rejection but she never let it get to her. She says she has husband now and how I need to put myself out there. This same woman went on about London having free therapy and how I am not trying. I live in London and these free therapies and low cost options have restrictions. NOT ALL of London is the same every area is different. Some areas have more mental health care options than others.

I have had issues navatigating healthcare in this country I am not going through it again.

● Another user let's call him C- He said how I need to go gym, "put myself out there" and wear make up. I don't need gym I slim build already and I am very feminine in how I dress.

Everyone blamed me for the reason why I am single and don't have friends. Woman A said "there is a reason why you struggle to make friends"

Just because they were lucky to find partners doesn't mean it will happen for everyone else. Life doesn't give us what we want.

Exactly! People do move on.
I have seen 13 Reasons why. Hannah was not only bullied but also raped and I don't think the show made any impact. The people who get bullied could relate but the one who bully others do not care, they do not change.

@a.fool This is why buillies need to be punished severely. The problem with bullying in schools is teachers allow bullies to get away with it. Parents of builles allow their piece of shit children to run riot and terrorise people. My builles parents were either clueless or complete pieces of shit its not surprising their sons terrorised the school population.

At school when I was being builled i fought back but the school punished ME regularly and not arseholes doing the bullying. These boys who builled me also terrorised the school population, run riot in the school and saw themselves as untouchable. The power of getting away with everything went to their heads .

 

[cold_severance]

people dont care even after you die. all they do is make themselves feel good by preaching meaningless shit about suicide prevention or about their miraculous recovery. its all about themselves as always.

 

[a.fool]

people dont care even after you die. all they do is make themselves feel good by preaching meaningless shit about suicide prevention or about their miraculous recovery. its all about themselves as always.

So true.

 

[uniqueusername12]

I can hear that!

Everyone I love in my life has plunged the metaphorical knife into me in the last year. Including kicking me to the kerb when I really needed support.

I'm not even sure they would mourn me, everything they said was "wrong" with me was fixable with a reasonable conversation and a bit of effort on their part. So, it must have been their only goal.

 

[Imprisoned]

Yep, suffering for decades is completely fine apparently.

Depressed? Just get over it.
Abused? Fuck off.
Ugly? Ew.
Poor? Stop being lazy.
Homeless? Must be your fault.
Suicidal? Stop making threats and fishing for attention.




Finally commit suicide? "Oh no How could we have known?? He was showing no signs and seemed completely fine... What a tragedy!"

 

[ForsakenDial]

Agree with everyone here. They never care. If anything its intentional. They bully people to suicide, and when they kill themselves they were suddenly always their best friend. They will kill people if that means having more social power. It makes them feel powerful and untouchable knowing they can make someone else take their own life. They are murderers who torture their victims for years. And the law never holds them accountable. Why? Because those same evil people end up running the system.

Its a lie that the average person can feel empathy. No, they don't. Majority of people are inherently psychopathic shits that express empathy when it benefits them.

No one has empathy for the disabled person. No, they torture and bully them because they have no one to defend them. They are empathetic to the most violent cruel and aggressive people because it makes them get some of their social precious brownie points. Latching onto them so they can abuse the weakest person as a collective. Building a cliche around hurting someone. People who can do something join in rather than help. Teachers when it is in school. Bosses in workplaces. Its everywhere.

They all want a chance to feel powerful destroying someone else. No different than a bunch of fucking chimpanzees biting the fingers and and tearing the faces off their weakest member. Torturing them in anyway they know how without killing them to extend the suffering. Making sure to destroy every last bit of dignity for the "mistake" of being different. And if they do somehow survive the attack they can never function properly like everyone else again. Now everywhere they go everyone will know they were victimized. Then those new people take it as a sign that they are weak, and attack them all over again.

This is why antinatalism is the right. Not just because the absence of suffering in non-existence. Pleasure for the majority of people is the suffering of those weaker and more vulnerable than them. There is happiness not at the expense of others, but the majority can only be happy hurting someone else.

 

[GhostShell]

Having CFS is like being dead already. I have not been outside our small flat in 4 months. None of the people in this building even know I exist. I lie in my bed, in silence, suffering. Nobody except my wife and parents know I exist. It is exactly like being dead - life goes on without you, tough luck. It is a scary but a really eye opening experience.

If a tree falls down in the middle of a forest…

 

[brokeandbroken]

If were to kill myself sucessfully the same bullshit society along with my family and community will be talking about how my death is "tragic" and be preaching about suicide prevention and "reaching out"

The same society and people that did not give a shit about me when I alive nor didn't listen either or helped me with my problems so I live a good quality of live. It is these same people who treated me like an inconvenience in their lives whenever I reached out.

It should not take someone dying and no longer being present for people and communities to finally start seeing value in that individual. People should be appreciated alwsys in life and shown they do matter and belong.

Nobody cares until you die is just so not fair.

You are absolutely correct. I was literally in medical school 2 years ago. I was the *victim* of crimes and now I am literally homeless (despite doing everything I can to avoid it.. I want from being on the precipice of success. To having it stolen for me. Everyone has just essentially abandoned me. With messages loud and clear they don't give a shit. But if/When(?) i die I am sure there will be crocodile tears. I went from being the person you wanted near you on your worst days to needing someone there to help me... That person doesn't exist for me. I've been in and out of the psych ward because all I know is misery and loss. No one there to support me. You are right on the money. People only care about themselves...

 

[Celerity]

I know a woman whose high school acquaintance killed themselves, and now she's acting like they were the best of friends when they hadn't spoken in years. The rapidity with which she made his life tragedy all about herself really irritates me. I didn't like her before for being an attention whore, and my opinion of her has only gotten steadily worse since she did this.

But that's what people seem to do with suicides. Or maybe all the people who genuinely grieve for the person are just quieter about it.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

From the view of society: every human life matters!

...until you fall ill, or are unemployed, or struggling with living in any way; then you are viewed - collectively - as being a burden and a "moaner". If you decide to end your own life then following this there will be a storm of different responses; some will feel upset and confused, and others will be angry and berate your corpse, but the one thing that they will all share is that none of them will truly understand why you really did the act.

 

[oblivion_handmade]

I don't care what they think either. I tried and failed for over a decade to play the shitty hand I was dealt and carry on. I am continuing to do that but now at least there is an end in sight. I'm not happy about it, I don't want to die - but I'm not going to keep existing like this. People who supposedly loved me have openly mocked me for sharing my struggles. People have, rather ironically, threatened to kill me for implying I didn't feel my life was worth living anymore. Cool. Let them believe whatever inane, absurd, self-serving bullshit they want. I'm done and I'm not sorry if it hurts them.

 

[FireFox]

I know a woman whose high school acquaintance killed themselves, and now she's acting like they were the best of friends when they hadn't spoken in years. The rapidity with which she made his life tragedy all about herself really irritates me. I didn't like her before for being an attention whore, and my opinion of her has only gotten steadily worse since she did this.

But that's what people seem to do with suicides. Or maybe all the people who genuinely grieve for the person are just quieter about it.

@Celerity Some people have absolutely no shame. The people who genuinely care if you kill myself majority of the time will be your closet family members ie parents or siblings if they really loved you outside of that everyone else moves on.

Suicide is more painful for families because of that close bond due to years of growing up together whereas of outside of family people will not care due to the bond not being close and strong as family ties. A friend can be replaced a family member can't

I don't care what they think either. I tried and failed for over a decade to play the shitty hand I was dealt and carry on. I am continuing to do that but now at least there is an end in sight. I'm not happy about it, I don't want to die - but I'm not going to keep existing like this. People who supposedly loved me have openly mocked me for sharing my struggles. People have, rather ironically, threatened to kill me for implying I didn't feel my life was worth living anymore. Cool. Let them believe whatever inane, absurd, self-serving bullshit they want. I'm done and I'm not sorry if it hurts them.

@oblivion_handmade

" People who supposedly loved me have openly mocked me for sharing my struggles" Evil people, honestly people who do this are pure evil and have no concept of love.

I can relate I have this relative who was my favourite relative who I trusted because she was the fun relative and was always nicer to me compared to me compared to my mother and grandmother constantly giving me a hard time over everything. She is one of those people who seen as approachable and trustworthy.

I opened up to her about my struggles and she was gossiping about me to the entire family about how I am crazy and werid etc. I got seen as the werid freak of the family growing up.

I know if i kill myself my mother along with immediate family members would be absolutely devastated but my relatives being the biggest pieces of shit they truly are they will be gossiping about how I was always crazy while sending condolences to my mother. My mother cares too much what these pieces of shit relatives think. I have a good idea which relatives will be gossiping and enjoying the fact I killed myself all because they were those relatives jealous of other people's achievements life.

 

[FireFox]

You are absolutely correct. I was literally in medical school 2 years ago. I was the *victim* of crimes and now I am literally homeless (despite doing everything I can to avoid it.. I want from being on the precipice of success. To having it stolen for me. Everyone has just essentially abandoned me. With messages loud and clear they don't give a shit. But if/When(?) i die I am sure there will be crocodile tears. I went from being the person you wanted near you on your worst days to needing someone there to help me... That person doesn't exist for me. I've been in and out of the psych ward because all I know is misery and loss. No one there to support me. You are right on the money. People only care about themselves...

@brokeandbroken Wow you went to medical school that is so cool and an awesome achievement most people don't get to do.

Difficult times really reveal people's real personalities and an eye opener.People who abandon you it is blessing in disguise because it shows they never truly cared about you and they were not good people to have in your life. Having complete piece of shit relatives has taught me how selfish and fake people really are.

My family are a example of why helping people at times isn't worth it. My grandmother and mother always helped all the relatives who were struggling in life and helped these people with everything. When my mum was a single mother struggling when she had me majority of of these relatives didnt care even the wealthy ones didnt care.

My grandmother has a wealthy brother who came from nothing. My grandmother worked hard so her brother could go to university out of all the siblings in the family. Her brother of course became a wealthy arsehole. He is chauffer driven to church, beats his wife, spends Christmases in different countries and oh he forgot all my grandmother did for him.

The man wouldn't write a check for me to help pay for my tuition fees which my mother couldn't afford. I have plenty of examples of my relatives constantly being selfish and having this entitlement to other people's money. Overall being terrible emotionally abusive and just pure selfish but because of culture our family feel obligated to help these people

I finally resent my mother and grandmother for always giving money to help these selfcentred arseholes because I have lost out on my dream. I finally hate my relatives all these years they have held me back now I finally have had my dreams.

I want nothing to do with my relatives anymore I hate them. I don't care about the bible and bullshit forgiveness my mum and grandmother keep preaching to me.

Getting into that university was the only good thing not starting I was supposed to last has finally broken me. In my suicide note I will be blaming, my relatives for their years awful behaviour as the reason why I feel like I don't belong anywhere, my dreams being stolen and future ruined. My relatives are one reasons why my suicidal thoughts came back after a period of not having any.

 

[brokeandbroken]

@brokeandbroken Wow you went to medical school that is so cool and an awesome achievement most people don't get to do.

Difficult times really reveal people's real personalities and an eye opener.People who abandon you it is blessing in disguise because it shows they never truly cared about you and they were not good people to have in your life. Having complete piece of shit relatives has taught me how selfish and fake people really are.

My family are a example of why helping people at times isn't worth it. My grandmother and mother always helped all the relatives who were struggling in life and helped these people with everything. When my mum was a single mother struggling when she had me majority of of these relatives didnt care even the wealthy ones didnt care.

My grandmother has a wealthy brother who came from nothing. My grandmother worked hard so her brother could go to university out of all the siblings in the family. Her brother of course became a wealthy arsehole. He is chauffer driven to church, beats his wife, spends Christmases in different countries and oh he forgot all my grandmother did for him.

The man wouldn't write a check for me to help pay for my tuition fees which my mother couldn't afford. I have plenty of examples of my relatives constantly being selfish and having this entitlement to other people's money. Overall being terrible emotionally abusive and just pure selfish but because of culture our family feel obligated to help these people

I finally resent my mother and grandmother for always giving money to help these selfcentred arseholes because I have lost out on my dream. I finally hate my relatives all these years they have held me back now I finally have had my dreams.

I want nothing to do with my relatives anymore I hate them.

Ehh, it ruined my life. Like I said I was a victim of crimes by the school. And now... I am homeless now literally. Like I said I need someone in my corner to help and no one IRL is there. A ton of hard work led me to med school. Everything in a blink of an eye gone. I don't know if you meant that with sincerity or with derision. I'm 29 and frankly my life is over. I would like to think I was a good person. Or at least tried to do the right thing. It makes you reevaluate people... It's also hard to encapsulate how beyond miserable I am. It's like groundhog day. Everyday I wake up and it just edges the day before for worst day of my life. As far as medical school.... It's really not an achievement. Maybe personally it could be but not really. No one gives a shit. No one cares about the hardwork I put in, no one cares that I am destitute and basically sentenced to a life time of that, no cares how miserable I am. There is two takeaways one is don't ask for help. No one cares, you won't get any. Whether friends, family, etc... The vast majority of people are unbelievably selfish. When I die I can die knowing I tried to be a good person and I wanted to take away people's pain. Ultimately, though people don't give a shit about me and my pain. No one wants to take mine away. Literally, only one conclusion... I am literally nothing as a person. Just a piece of trash.