whitefeather
Thank the gods for Death
- Apr 23, 2020
- 521
Interesting. Will watch that at some point. Thanks for sharing.
Just had a brief skip through. Glad to see that they're acknowledging it's not just young male gamers that go this way. It's all too easy to blame on video games etc but it's more a case that they withdraw to things like that but as a result of a world that doesn't make living any kind of life attainable for some. Even if they have money or property they still live in a world that is a painful sight for those that see through many things held in high regard and priority by the blissfully unaware masses. I do see more awareness emerging but honestly it progresses so slowly that it's always in a state of catch up as the dirty shit that goes on behind the scenes (causing the issues) is growing exponentially alongside it and in many ways we're heading backwards. Or is it that we're on a downslope of an ever undulating level of civilisation and self awareness? Either way, we're heading the wrong side of either equation and it's going to take some very quick thinking and change to self correct and avoid the collapse we're inevitably headed toward.
From a personal standpoint I've found myself relenting at the fact we, has natural beings don't have the option to step out of the construct of our current civilisation, return to nature and survive in a more natural way. You can't just head off into the wilderness and become a farmer of some kind. The world and land has been claimed and regulations and infrastructure will stop you in your paces no matter how honourable your intent. So what the solution when you have nowhere to turn? The logical conclusion for any animal out of line with its natural surroundings... Hikikomori!
Commonly outcasts amongst pack animals with go off into the wild alone and die. Dying animals often leave their group to do so. If you ever had a pet cat you might have witnessed this. They will often disappear at the end and never been seen again. If they're an indoor cat you'll usually find them in a secluded unusual spot somewhere in the home. I think it's a part of a hive mind to do this. It's not all selfishness.
I heard the narrator of that documentary ask why one of the subjects didn't ask for help. The truth is there is no help. Who would he ask? Who would listen. What solution would they offer? Psych meds and force feeding indoctrination into the current mold. That's not the answer and they knew it so they disconnected and died out. It's the most human/animal/natural reaction to the input received. Push a square through a round hole and you're just cutting corners and damaging your starting material. It will break. Not because it's defective. Because it's an unfortunate product of its environment and circumstances. Its really that simple.
I guess by shining a light on it that's a start however I worry as to whether the right conclusions will be reach by those viewing it. Sad sad times.
That said I think history has always had versions of Hikikomoris. Posh families commonly had a crazy old guy living in their outhouse. It was a kind of status symbol. They would be social outcasts and would generally survive by doing garden chores and living of the charity of the family/owners. There was a British comedy series based around it. Two actually. Cat weazel and Wurzel Gumage. The site Patreon is based on that dynamic and its how artist in the past lived. Without it there would be no Van gough.
Just had a brief skip through. Glad to see that they're acknowledging it's not just young male gamers that go this way. It's all too easy to blame on video games etc but it's more a case that they withdraw to things like that but as a result of a world that doesn't make living any kind of life attainable for some. Even if they have money or property they still live in a world that is a painful sight for those that see through many things held in high regard and priority by the blissfully unaware masses. I do see more awareness emerging but honestly it progresses so slowly that it's always in a state of catch up as the dirty shit that goes on behind the scenes (causing the issues) is growing exponentially alongside it and in many ways we're heading backwards. Or is it that we're on a downslope of an ever undulating level of civilisation and self awareness? Either way, we're heading the wrong side of either equation and it's going to take some very quick thinking and change to self correct and avoid the collapse we're inevitably headed toward.
From a personal standpoint I've found myself relenting at the fact we, has natural beings don't have the option to step out of the construct of our current civilisation, return to nature and survive in a more natural way. You can't just head off into the wilderness and become a farmer of some kind. The world and land has been claimed and regulations and infrastructure will stop you in your paces no matter how honourable your intent. So what the solution when you have nowhere to turn? The logical conclusion for any animal out of line with its natural surroundings... Hikikomori!
Commonly outcasts amongst pack animals with go off into the wild alone and die. Dying animals often leave their group to do so. If you ever had a pet cat you might have witnessed this. They will often disappear at the end and never been seen again. If they're an indoor cat you'll usually find them in a secluded unusual spot somewhere in the home. I think it's a part of a hive mind to do this. It's not all selfishness.
I heard the narrator of that documentary ask why one of the subjects didn't ask for help. The truth is there is no help. Who would he ask? Who would listen. What solution would they offer? Psych meds and force feeding indoctrination into the current mold. That's not the answer and they knew it so they disconnected and died out. It's the most human/animal/natural reaction to the input received. Push a square through a round hole and you're just cutting corners and damaging your starting material. It will break. Not because it's defective. Because it's an unfortunate product of its environment and circumstances. Its really that simple.
I guess by shining a light on it that's a start however I worry as to whether the right conclusions will be reach by those viewing it. Sad sad times.
That said I think history has always had versions of Hikikomoris. Posh families commonly had a crazy old guy living in their outhouse. It was a kind of status symbol. They would be social outcasts and would generally survive by doing garden chores and living of the charity of the family/owners. There was a British comedy series based around it. Two actually. Cat weazel and Wurzel Gumage. The site Patreon is based on that dynamic and its how artist in the past lived. Without it there would be no Van gough.
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4damant
Member
- Jun 9, 2022
- 6
Thank you for sharing the documentary. I think I'm able to understand more of the human condition, in a sense.
That said, like the commentor above, I feel like the hint that they're trying to "save lives" will run counter to what they're trying to achieve, as instead of providing a way of leaving (for those who found life to be too unbearable) or even changing a broken system, too often the "blame" is put onto the reclused for giving up on society, and then double down on trying to make them "productive members of society". It seems like for developed or developing nations (not exclusive to Japan), the society that has built up to this point has became more and more hostile for many to live due to various factors, monetary or otherwise. All the technological feats and insights from history gained from our species seemed to have progressed us as much as it imprisoned us all. But I digress.
Personally, my values has shifted to "reducing suffering" from "saving lives" after realizing what a mess this world is. So there's my bias in my take I suppose. It'll be a shot in hell if globally people managed to be more compassionate or empathetic, but I've got no faith in that anymore.
(sorry if went off-topic or anything)
That said, like the commentor above, I feel like the hint that they're trying to "save lives" will run counter to what they're trying to achieve, as instead of providing a way of leaving (for those who found life to be too unbearable) or even changing a broken system, too often the "blame" is put onto the reclused for giving up on society, and then double down on trying to make them "productive members of society". It seems like for developed or developing nations (not exclusive to Japan), the society that has built up to this point has became more and more hostile for many to live due to various factors, monetary or otherwise. All the technological feats and insights from history gained from our species seemed to have progressed us as much as it imprisoned us all. But I digress.
Personally, my values has shifted to "reducing suffering" from "saving lives" after realizing what a mess this world is. So there's my bias in my take I suppose. It'll be a shot in hell if globally people managed to be more compassionate or empathetic, but I've got no faith in that anymore.
(sorry if went off-topic or anything)
