Method Nembutal/pentobarbital lethality

[Arak]

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital

Time to death data in the Dutch euthanasia group: 123 cases from A. Horikx, staff member of the Royal Dutch Pharmaceutical Society.

Time To Death Number of
people/percentages


0–15 minutes 39 people (32%)
16–30 minutes 40 (33%)
30–60 minutes 21 (17%)
1–2 hours 9 (7%)
Euthanasia by doctor after > 2 hours waiting 9 (7%)
Unknown time 5 (4%)
Total 123 (100%)

• Time to death after oral ingestion of 10-12 grams pentobarbital (261 cases)

Similarly to the table displayed above, the following table (mentioned in Guide to a Humane Self-Chosen Death) provides the time to death as reported by the right-to-die organization "Exit deutsche Schweiz" (which literally translates as Exit German Switzerland).

Time To Death Number of
people/percentages


0–15 minutes 70 people (27%)
16–30 minutes 115 (44%)
30–60 minutes 44 (17%)
1–2 hours 11 (4%)
2–12 hours 20 (8%)
> 12 hours 1 (0.4%)
Total 261 (100%)


Nothing is 100 % ?

 

[Schopenhauer]

Thanks for the info. 88% of the patients died in an hour or less. That's a great track record.

 

[Arak]

Keep in mind the population (mostly old, sick) tthe 7 and 4 % and the dose.

 

[worldexploder]

If I can ever find a way to get N from A I want to order 20g. Wonder if that would be better since I'm a big guy. I want to go as quickly as possible.

 

[Schopenhauer]

Keep in mind the population (mostly old, sick) tthe 7 and 4 % and the dose.

I've ordered two bottles from N. I hope that's enough for a quick death. Nevertheless, I'll allow plenty of time before the discovery of my body is inevitable.

 

[Jovaras]

I will order 3 bottles, I am 110kg

 

[Lovemykids]

I will order 3 bottles, I am 110kg

His last order is tomorrow
Then have to wait mid nov

 

[Chinaski]

What do you mean last order??

He's unavailable until mid November after tomorrow

 

[Lovemykids]

His having surgery next week so last order will be sent is today

He will be back after recovery in mid nov until that he won't reply emails

 

[Broken Blue]

For anyone that may have access to Exit forums or some other source, I wonder if there is info on time till death where there may have been other people present in those cases? Speaking of those who also went down the same route to aquire it and would be using the same ratio/amount.
I know in this case there may often be other factors, age/illnesses etc but just a thought as I have no idea what info may be on those forums or elsewhere

 

[Arak]

I second that question !

 

[Arak]

I'm not sure if I put this somewhere else.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3968666/

'Pentobarbital is a drug used in veterinary medicine for anaesthesia and euthanasia. Acute poisoning can be fatal due to cardiogenic shock, and respiratory arrest secondary to its potent action on the respiratory centre. The lethal dose for pentobarbital when ingested ranges from 2 to 10 g.[1] A case report of non-fatal pentobarbital overdose of 13 g is described.'

Barbiturates were almost outlawed becuse of their lethality in overdose. I'm not so sure death is guaranteed.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/347577 doesn't seem like fun either.

 

[OfficerK]

What is your alternative? I think you'll have a very hard time finding anything equally lethal and peaceful that is as relatively easily attainable. After all, there's a reason why it's the preferred method in virtually every single country where euthanasia is available.

Considering how length his recovery was, I think it's safe to say that he probably would have died had he not received medical attention when he did.

I also don't get how you derive that its lethality is uncertain because it is outlawed precisely due to its lethality. That logic doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Arak]

@OfficerK ,

That the barbs would often kill people doesn't mean it always will or would ! I'm sure people did survive high doses of barbs.

 

[Wantingpeace]

You seem to want to do this method arak but convincing yourself it will not work :) when I think it must be the most reliable

 

[s_girl]

You seem to want to do this method arak but convincing yourself it will not work :) when I think it must be the most reliable

I agree @Arak you seem to be hyper-focussing on the negatives. But tell me which method has a higher success rate? You are searching for something that does not exist. NO method has 100% success rate. Providing 1 example of 1 person who was interrupted and 'saved' is not proof that this is not the most lethal method, provided you follow the instructions for dose and time needed to be undisturbed.

I'm not saying that it is or isn't, because who knows. But people with far more knowledge and experience that me, seem to think this is the most reliable, lethal method overall and I trust their opinions because they have no reason to suggest otherwise. All in the right to die movement are advocating for the same thing, at great personal risk to themselves.

But you're right, Nothing is 100%.

 

[JustAboutDone]

@Korrok this one might have some useful tips too

 

[Arak]

Myself in #1:

If the onset of action is at least 10 minutes, how come 32 % die so fast ?
Preparation/no tolerance may be an issue, state of health as well. 15 minutes to death is very fast. Sample group needs to be taken into account.