Nembutal can't be the only viable barb, right?

[Bikishii]

I know this is what's most ideal (and what I would like the most) but, as we all know, it's becoming more and more difficult to get (and easier and easier to get scammed) and it's a bit more legally risky to get. Cops won't care your reasons for illegally obtaining a controlled substance, you're still breaking the law and that's all they care about.

Seconal is obviously out of the question, to the point that it's never even discussed here, so I won't waste my time talking about that.

However, our dear friend phenobarbital is at least a little more easy to get your hands on...

It's a first-line treatment for epilepsy in developing countries and is still occasionally (albeit rarely) prescribed for drug-resistant epilepsy in the west. It's prescribed by veterinarians for dogs with epilepsy. It's obviously much slower-acting and has a ridiculously long half life, but it's still a barbiturate. It may not be as ideal as Nembutal, but it's still got that thin therapeutic range, it still shouldn't be too hard to overdose on it especially if combined with benzos and alcohol just to really nail it down. You'd obviously need more than just a 30 days supply if you want to even have a shot at getting the job done, but it's far from impossible. You don't need to go all the way down to Peru to get it either. Other countries may not believe me that I need my own Nembutal so I can put down Fido in the comfort of his own home, but they may be a bit more open-minded if I say that Fido keeps "having these strange fits."

What are your thoughts? It may not be as ideal as Nembutal, but it's a whole lot better than nothing, and still a great step above just rolling the dice with alcohol and benzos. Nembutal is preferred, but I don't mind taking some of this stuff either and just taking a little longer to drift off to sleep and not wake up.

 

[DeadManLiving]

I know this is what's most ideal (and what I would like the most) but, as we all know, it's becoming more and more difficult to get (and easier and easier to get scammed) and it's a bit more legally risky to get. Cops won't care your reasons for illegally obtaining a controlled substance, you're still breaking the law and that's all they care about.

No, but juries do. And I don't think a juror would ever forget or forgive a law enforcement officer or prosecutor for targeting a vulnerable suicidal person because they sought to obtain a compound or substance to end their lives. One way to find out would be to ask a bunch of random people: would you convict or acquit someone that was in possession of a controlled substance where the exclusive intent of its use was neither for recreational consumption or distribution but to terminate his/her own life?

If the ruling class wants to eliminate or 'prune' off disadvantaged members of society, then providing (or not restricting) access to the means for doing so would be a lot less expensive than criminalizing. But as we've seen repeatedly, those in power lose their grip on reality and are the most prone to making the most erratic and irrational decisions.

Yes, there are many alternatives and phenobarbital would be adequate substitute provided a sufficient lethal dose, or in combination with other compounds.

 

[Bikishii]

No, but juries do. And I don't think a juror would ever forget or forgive a law enforcement officer or prosecutor for targeting a vulnerable suicidal person because they sought to obtain a compound or substance to end their lives. One way to find out would be to ask a bunch of random people: would you convict or acquit someone that was in possession of a controlled substance where the exclusive intent of its use was neither for recreational consumption or distribution but to terminate his/her own life?

If the ruling class wants to eliminate or 'prune' off disadvantaged members of society, then providing (or not restricting) access to the means for doing so would be a lot less expensive than criminalizing. But as we've seen repeatedly, those in power lose their grip on reality and are the most prone to making the most erratic and irrational decisions.

Yes, there are many alternatives and phenobarbital would be adequate substitute provided a sufficient lethal dose, or in combination with other compounds.

You do make a very good point. A jury is still legally obligated to find guilt or lack thereof based on the law as it's written, not what the suspect's intent was. Jury nullification isn't out of the realm of possibilities, but it's not a likelihood. Besides, I wouldn't feel like openly stating in any testimony that it was for ending my life, the most I would ever admit is it's for "personal use."

If I'm still in possession of a schedule IV controlled substance without a prescription and that's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, then I'm cooked. Plus there's no guarantee that I wouldn't be stuck with a 12 Angry Men style jury where everyone just wants to go home and doesn't care about what happens to me. Either way, if I ever were to have the balls to try to order Nembutal online, I'm not too scared of the feds showing up and knocking down my door (I've bought other substances through the mail with safety protocols in place and haven't had any trouble yet) but I don't want to waste money and wait and wait and wait, just to find out there's a warrant out for my arrest when I get pulled over for a basic traffic stop.

I don't wanna go out with a gun, but I'll always have that option if shit gets too dicey or I just can't afford anything and can't take it anymore.