Need some chemistry help please

[alwayssearching]

Hey there, I'm not sure if this is where I should be posting or not, so if not, please let me know...

does anyone out there know why there wouldn't be a reason that approximately 105,000 mg of gabapentin, perhaps dissolved in warm water, would not be enough for me to ctb? Everything on here seems so complicated and involves SN somehow, but I just want to use what I have...

Alcohol or no alcohol? Will that just make me vomit up my progress?

I also have about 56.000 mg of SSRIs and about 21,000 mg diphenhydramine at my disposal; I keep seeing conflicting info on what will actually get it done for me this time; I've tried 3 times before without success but that was just tons of vodka and what turned out to be not nearly enough Xanax to do the trick.

I am 52, tired and tired of trying. So I'm hoping if there's any chemically intelligent peeps that can help guide me, I would really appreciate any guidance. I guess if no one responds to this, that will be expected and I will just have to figure it out.
Thanks.
jmw

 

[NotMeantForHere]

Hey there, I'm not sure if this is where I should be posting or not, so if not, please let me know...

does anyone out there know why there wouldn't be a reason that approximately 105,000 mg of gabapentin, perhaps dissolved in warm water, would not be enough for me to ctb? Everything on here seems so complicated and involves SN somehow, but I just want to use what I have...

Alcohol or no alcohol? Will that just make me vomit up my progress?

I also have about 56.000 mg of SSRIs and about 21,000 mg diphenhydramine at my disposal; I keep seeing conflicting info on what will actually get it done for me this time; I've tried 3 times before without success but that was just tons of vodka and what turned out to be not nearly enough Xanax to do the trick.

I am 52, tired and tired of trying. So I'm hoping if there's any chemically intelligent peeps that can help guide me, I would really appreciate any guidance. I guess if no one responds to this, that will be expected and I will just have to figure it out.
Thanks.
jmw

I'm no chemist or expert, but I haven't heard of gabapentin being lethal and most ctb attempts by (most)prescription medications are unsuccessful..

 

[ThisIsIt]

I don't think the gabapentin would work. While 105,000mg seems like a lot, I just googled the LD50 for gagapentin, and while I couldn't find anything for humans, the LD50 in mice is 5,000 mg/kg. 105,000/5,000 is 21kg or roughly 46 pounds. So if you were a 46 pound mouse, 105,000mg would have a 1 in 2 chance of killing you. I can't find any literature on gabapentin overdoses in humans; so I think it's safe to assume that what you've got won't kill you.

 

[jgm63]

Hopefully others can give a far better reply than me, since I don't have any special chemistry or medical knowledge.

My initial thoughts were :
You could try googling gabapentin ld50.
Some pages that could be of interest :
http://www.maripoisoncenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/CTR-Gabapentin-Neurontin.pdf
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-maximum-dose-of-gabapentin

105g sounds like a pretty good amount, but you should try to do your own research.
If you can't find any reliable data on human lethal dose, then you might be a bit stuck and have to use some guesswork, which of course is not ideal....

In general, keep in mind that you want to be using *more* than the LD50 amount - probably double....

BUT....
I did some searches on this site, and found :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...h-gabapentin-that-will-make-it-kill-me.27275/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-about-gabapentin.23089/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gabapentin.13526/

Note : In general, it's well worth learning to use this forum's search and advanced search functions....
If too much info comes back, then tick "search titles only", as I did for the above....

So.... Gabapentin on its own doesn't sound like a good option....

Regarding diphenhydramine, you might want to read this :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/taking-diphenhydramine-sleeping-tablets.34016/#post-640492

Regarding SSRIs, I'm really not too sure....

And in terms of what happens when you combine, I have no idea....

The benefit of using more common methods is that they're more "tried and tested".

To get a general overview of methods, you might also want to refer to the peaceful pill handbook :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pph-dec-2019.30370/
On the very last page is a "summary table" that can be useful.

 

[alwayssearching]

I'm no chemist or expert, but I haven't heard of gabapentin being lethal and most ctb attempts by (most)prescription medications are unsuccessful..

Well thank you for commenting, bc that's exactly what I was afraid of but I figured I would at least ask the question...I just thought maybe, such a huge dose of anything might do it...I can't take another failed attempt so I'd like to get it right this time...I really do appreciate your feedback and will just keep looking. Thanks.

 

[alwayssearching]

I'm no chemist or expert, but I haven't heard of gabapentin being lethal and most ctb attempts by (most)prescription medications are unsuccessful..

Thank you so much for answering me; I have. Felt so alone that I am grateful for any response.

I don't think the gabapentin would work. While 105,000mg seems like a lot, I just googled the LD50 for gagapentin, and while I couldn't find anything for humans, the LD50 in mice is 5,000 mg/kg. 105,000/5,000 is 21kg or roughly 46 pounds. So if you were a 46 pound mouse, 105,000mg would have a 1 in 2 chance of killing you. I can't find any literature on gabapentin overdoses in humans; so I think it's safe to assume that what you've got won't kill you.

Well, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the research you have done.....I thought I had this thing beat, but clearly I must find another way. But really, the research you have done is invaluable to me and I am really grateful and please trust and believe: if I were a 46 lb mouse, I'd be happily home by now. Cheers and thanks

 

[Sensei]

I'm by no means an expert, but if I understand it correctly, most fatal overdoses on medicines are due to respiratory depression. Without a very potent depressant or a combination of depressants, such as opioids of all kinds, GABA receptor antagonists, and certain alcohols, respiratory depression will never reach fatal levels.

 

[ThisIsIt]

I'm by no means an expert, but if I understand it correctly, most fatal overdoses on medicines are due to respiratory depression. Without a very potent depressant or a combination of depressants, such as opioids of all kinds, GABA receptor antagonists, and certain alcohols, respiratory depression will never reach fatal levels.

Yeah, this is pretty much spot on. When you die from ODing it's either from respiratory depression or you just end up choking on your own vomit.

Unless you have access to fentanyl, I wouldn't even bother with trying to commit suicide via a drug overdose.And even with fentanyl, it's really still a crapshoot. Your body is much more resilient than you might think. Addicts OD all the time, wake up the next day, and keep on using like nothing ever happened.

 

[alwayssearching]

Yeah, this is pretty much spot on. When you die from ODing it's either from respiratory depression or you just end up choking on your own vomit.

Unless you have access to fentanyl, I wouldn't even bother with trying to commit suicide via a drug overdose.And even with fentanyl, it's really still a crapshoot. Your body is much more resilient than you might think. Addicts OD all the time, wake up the next day, and keep on using like nothing ever happened.

Well, this is very depressing to hear. But I appreciate all of the information, I really do, Sensei and ThisIsIt

 

[alwayssearching]

Hopefully others can give a far better reply than me, since I don't have any special chemistry or medical knowledge.

My initial thoughts were :
You could try googling gabapentin ld50.
Some pages that could be of interest :
http://www.maripoisoncenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/CTR-Gabapentin-Neurontin.pdf
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-maximum-dose-of-gabapentin

105g sounds like a pretty good amount, but you should try to do your own research.
If you can't find any reliable data on human lethal dose, then you might be a bit stuck and have to use some guesswork, which of course is not ideal....

In general, keep in mind that you want to be using *more* than the LD50 amount - probably double....

BUT....
I did some searches on this site, and found :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...h-gabapentin-that-will-make-it-kill-me.27275/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-about-gabapentin.23089/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gabapentin.13526/

Note : In general, it's well worth learning to use this forum's search and advanced search functions....
If too much info comes back, then tick "search titles only", as I did for the above....

So.... Gabapentin on its own doesn't sound like a good option....

Regarding diphenhydramine, you might want to read this :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/taking-diphenhydramine-sleeping-tablets.34016/#post-640492

Regarding SSRIs, I'm really not too sure....

And in terms of what happens when you combine, I have no idea....

The benefit of using more common methods is that they're more "tried and tested".

To get a general overview of methods, you might also want to refer to the peaceful pill handbook :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pph-dec-2019.30370/
On the very last page is a "summary table" that can be useful.

Thank you, I really appreciate your thoughtful response, and all of the links you listed and will start doing more research. It gets frustrating when I try to research something related to this because all that ever pops up for me are ads for either rehab centers or hotlines, when all I'm looking for is information. I had heard of the PP handbook; it just seems so expensive, but maybe it's worth the investment. Really, thank you so much for your answer.

I'm by no means an expert, but if I understand it correctly, most fatal overdoses on medicines are due to respiratory depression. Without a very potent depressant or a combination of depressants, such as opioids of all kinds, GABA receptor antagonists, and certain alcohols, respiratory depression will never reach fatal levels.

Thanks, Sensei, I really appreciate you taking the time to answer. Guess I've got more homework to do.

 

[Spacing Out]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/resource-compilation.3/
(I don't know how to make a proper link to a post, sorry.)

If you scroll down to Books/Documentaries on this post, there's a link to a free ebook for PP! That may help.

 

[Suez]

Hey there, I'm not sure if this is where I should be posting or not, so if not, please let me know...

does anyone out there know why there wouldn't be a reason that approximately 105,000 mg of gabapentin, perhaps dissolved in warm water, would not be enough for me to ctb? Everything on here seems so complicated and involves SN somehow, but I just want to use what I have...

Alcohol or no alcohol? Will that just make me vomit up my progress?

I also have about 56.000 mg of SSRIs and about 21,000 mg diphenhydramine at my disposal; I keep seeing conflicting info on what will actually get it done for me this time; I've tried 3 times before without success but that was just tons of vodka and what turned out to be not nearly enough Xanax to do the trick.

I am 52, tired and tired of trying. So I'm hoping if there's any chemically intelligent peeps that can help guide me, I would really appreciate any guidance. I guess if no one responds to this, that will be expected and I will just have to figure it out.
Thanks.
jmw

I wouldnt bother with Gabapentin because it can be removed by haemodialysis, just in case you are found. Also overdose ion Gabapentin s thought to be quite difficult.

Hey there, I'm not sure if this is where I should be posting or not, so if not, please let me know...

does anyone out there know why there wouldn't be a reason that approximately 105,000 mg of gabapentin, perhaps dissolved in warm water, would not be enough for me to ctb? Everything on here seems so complicated and involves SN somehow, but I just want to use what I have...

Alcohol or no alcohol? Will that just make me vomit up my progress?

I also have about 56.000 mg of SSRIs and about 21,000 mg diphenhydramine at my disposal; I keep seeing conflicting info on what will actually get it done for me this time; I've tried 3 times before without success but that was just tons of vodka and what turned out to be not nearly enough Xanax to do the trick.

I am 52, tired and tired of trying. So I'm hoping if there's any chemically intelligent peeps that can help guide me, I would really appreciate any guidance. I guess if no one responds to this, that will be expected and I will just have to figure it out.
Thanks.
jmw

Sorry i meant to reply to all medications you mentioned but accidentally replied to just Gabapentin. As i said with regards o Gabapentin, haemodialysis can effectively remove Gabapentin in the instance of an overdose. With regards to Diphenhydramine, there is a clear dose-dependent acute toxicity of DPHM. For severe symptoms the critical dose limit is about 1.0-1.5g of DPHM, so at about 2g (which is what you have) there is still a chance that you may recover. WRT to SSRIs, taken alone SSRI overdoses are rarely fatal, but you could increase this by consuming alcohol, however having said this there has been instances where people have taken doses of SSRIs as high as 8g Fluoxetine and recovering. Also you need to factor in weight, age as well in calculating dose effectiveness in making any kind of decision as to toxicity. I am an MD, not a Pharmacist, but i have a reasonable understanding of pharmacology, but i would not go with the medications you have unless you can add something to say one of the SSRIs like perhaps an Opioid.

 

[jgm63]

I had heard of the PP handbook; it just seems so expensive, but maybe it's worth the investment.

Well I gave you a link to the Dec 2019 edition in my reply....

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/resource-compilation.3/
(I don't know how to make a proper link to a post, sorry.)

If you scroll down to Books/Documentaries on this post, there's a link to a free ebook for PP! That may help.

Actually, the resources section doesn't currently have a good/up-to-date link as far as I know.

The Dec 2019 peaceful pill handbook can be found here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pph-dec-2019.30370/

There is also a Mar 2020 version here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/peaceful-pill-ehandbook-2020.35699/
However, I had some issues accessing it, so maybe see how you get on.
Also, I don't know if it's searchable....
The Dec 2019 version above can be text-searched....

 

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Well I gave you a link to the Dec 2019 edition in my reply....


Actually, the resources section doesn't currently have a good/up-to-date link as far as I know.

The Dec 2019 peaceful pill handbook can be found here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pph-dec-2019.30370/

There is also a Mar 2020 version here :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/peaceful-pill-ehandbook-2020.35699/
However, I had some issues accessing it, so maybe see how you get on.
Also, I don't know if it's searchable....
The Dec 2019 version above can be text-searched....

Oh, thank you! I didn't notice. As far as I could tell, there's also an updated link on the Suicide Wiki resources page. It's a bit easier to access, perhaps, if that one isn't working properly.

 

[jgm63]

Oh, thank you! I didn't notice. As far as I could tell, there's also an updated link on the Suicide Wiki resources page. It's a bit easier to access, perhaps, if that one isn't working properly.

Peaceful Pill Handbook links on the wiki should *NOT* be used....

They are open to being edited by scammers.
This has happened before, recently.

I explain the issues in this post :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/link-to-peaceful-pill-ebook.36838/post-684820

 

[Spacing Out]

Peaceful Pill Handbook links on the wiki should *NOT* be used....

They are open to being edited by scammers.
This has happened before, recently.

I explain the issues in this post :
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/link-to-peaceful-pill-ebook.36838/post-684820

Oof. I didn't know that. Thanks for the information! I'm still new here, so I hadn't heard about that. I appreciate the knowledge!