Nature is the root of all evil

[Darkover]

Everyone has a reason for why the world sucks, and it usually involves blaming someone, or something.

-Some people blame the government for why the world sucks. However, if you look at any government closely, you can see that it's just a reflection of its citizens. 95% of people are greedy (including me), thus most politicians are greedy. Governments are greedy, tribal, and corrupt; but so are ordinary everyday people.

-Some people blame money for why the world sucks. But without money, most people would have no incentive to work or do their jobs. Even before the existence of money, people bartered.

-Some people blame school for why the world sucks. However, school (like government) is just a manifestation of our primal urge to control people.

-Some people blame social media for why the world sucks. But, even before social media existed, people gossiped, spread rumors, said & did stupid things for attention, and showed off their body in order to attract people. They just didn't have the technology to show these behaviors.

-Some people blame 'teenagers'/the current generation for why the world sucks. However, if you look at history; children, teens, and adults alike have always been stupid and narcissistic. Plus, the so-called 'teenagers' that people like to hate on are being raised, trained, and taught by adults (who are just as dumb as teenagers).

-Some people blame agriculture/the industrial revolution for why the world sucks. However, these two major events were just a result of humans reproducing more & more, thus requiring more resources and more efficient tools in order to keep the human species alive.

-Some people blame overpopulation for why the world sucks. But, even when the human population was smaller, there was still murder, violence, and other sorts of conflicts.

-Some people blame criminals for why the world sucks. However, if laws and governments didn't exist, most regular citizens would commit crimes.

It's natural to blame something for why the world sucks, and I have done it myself. However, I feel like nature itself is the main reason why the world sucks. Nature created humans and every other organism in the first place. Nature is what gave humans all these emotions and desires (desire to be better than others, desire for attention, desire to dominate, etc). Nature is what gave us the anatomy to create all this technology, that we eventually used to exploit and enslave ourselves.

 

[FuneralCry]

In my case I certainly see existence itself as the problem, it's a horrific tragedy how life even exists at all. All that existence does is create problems and suffering that there was never a need for. In fact existence itself is simply an unnecessary harm, it's just an endless and futile cycle of meaningless suffering and senseless cruelty that tragically continues to repeat once new life is forced here. Humans are the worst species to me, I see the compassionate outcome as letting this species finally go voluntarily extinct as after all nobody can be harmed by the absence of everything, only eternal nothingness is ideal.

 

[Forever Sleep]

All fair points but can you 'blame' something that doesn't have intent? Is it 'evil' if it doesn't have intent? If a coconut falls from a tree and smacks you on the head- can you blame the tree? Can you blame gravity? Not really- I doubt either are conscious. You might feel kind of foolish for having walked under the tree but- how were you to know? So- we blame another maybe non existent entity- fate.

We seem convinced that the entire world has it in for us when it very well doesn't even have the capacity to realise we exist! Maybe nature is the start of all this but, whether it's evil or not- whether it can be blamed- I'm not so sure. I think it just 'is'. If no sentient beings came from it- would it be so bad? Nothing would have the sentience or awareness to call it evil.

But- is nature conscious? Did evolution have an evil plan all along? I'm not sure you can 'blame' forces like gravity and evolution if they are unconscious. Of course- if there's a creator behind it- that's different. God's motives (if there is one) I think are highly questionable.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Touché to all of this. Whenever people blame capitalism for us suffering, I think to myself that we'd still suffer no matter what system we use. Because the only reason why we suffer to begin with is because of nature, specifically human nature

 

[ChildishEgg]

In my case I certainly see existence itself as the problem, it's a horrific tragedy how life even exists at all. All that existence does is create problems and suffering that there was never a need for. In fact existence itself is simply an unnecessary harm, it's just an endless and futile cycle of meaningless suffering and senseless cruelty that tragically continues to repeat once new life is forced here. Humans are the worst species to me, I see the compassionate outcome as letting this species finally go voluntarily extinct as after all nobody can be harmed by the absence of everything, only eternal nothingness is ideal.

Technically without life, nothing ever exists. Like, no universe no nothing. Because the universe has to come from somewhere. Eternal nothingness is quite frankly boring and incomprehensible. I mean this in the most non-disrespectful and literal way possible. But I think you might be insane.

 

[Darkover]

Technically without life, nothing ever exists. Like, no universe no nothing. Because the universe has to come from somewhere. Eternal nothingness is quite frankly boring and incomprehensible. I mean this in the most non-disrespectful and literal way possible. But I think you might be insane.

not wanting to exist at all is a perfectly logically reaction to this environment i mean why suffer and go through pain if you had the choice to never go through any of it

All fair points but can you 'blame' something that doesn't have intent? Is it 'evil' if it doesn't have intent? If a coconut falls from a tree and smacks you on the head- can you blame the tree? Can you blame gravity? Not really- I doubt either are conscious.

you have to define what evil is to me it's causing harm to others, just because the cocount isn't conscious or doesn't have intent doesn't mean it doesn't inflict harm, like wise if i throw a stone and it kills someone without the intension of killing someone that still makes me evil even tho i didn't have the intent of harming anyone it was just down to rotten luck

 

[ChildishEgg]

not wanting to exist at all is a perfectly logically reaction to this environment i mean why suffer and go through pain if you had the choice to never go through any of it

I mean the grand scheme of things. No stars, planets, animals, nothing. That is insane. Like I can't even comprehend all of that. I'd say me not killing myself was one of the best decisions I have ever made. Now life gets hard for sure, but it's not worth dying over. And by your logic of why suffer, then it would make sense for half the people including her to just do it already. But some people don't. I have a friend who would willingly kill every single person on Earth if he could because he believes we are a plague and ruin Earth. Harm everything around us. While true a lot of the things we do, like everything else will at one point give back to where it came from and restart the cycle. I believe my friend is insane and might even be a danger to others. These ways of radical thinking are what get people hurt. Look at the infamous Unabomber, a terrorist who blew people up for almost 20 years. He thought in similar ways. The point of me saying this is that thinking in certain ways give people a complete disregard for life itself and they end up hurting people.

 

[SoulCage]

"nature is the root of all evil"

I came to the same conclusion a while ago when I was researching arguments to have discussions with people that like to play the blame game (especially discrimination against migrants, ethnic groups or LGBTQ+). I explained it to a person I have a close connection with (they are pro-life) and they said "but nature is also the reason for everything that is good". I got mad, because the good is not worth the pain. Especially if it's an unfair distribution. You might not be in much pain, but your selfish behavior has consequences for other beings.

 

[Reuthry]

Nature is made up from chaos itself, and it is getting more chaotic every single day. We are the products of this chaos, that's why we humans are this way disgusting, unstable and weak in every type of way.

 

[Darkover]

I believe my friend is insane and might even be a danger to others. These ways of radical thinking are what get people hurt. Look at the infamous Unabomber, a terrorist who blew people up for almost 20 years. He thought in similar ways. The point of me saying this is that thinking in certain ways give people a complete disregard for life itself and they end up hurting people.

yeah well destroying everything there is would be good thing imo no more pain to endure

 

[ChildishEgg]

yeah well destroying everything there is would be good thing imo no more pain to endure

That's the mindset of a terrorist.

 

[Darkover]

That's the mindset of a terrorist.

if i went back 10,000 years and destroy the world i would of saved trillions and trillions of lives from being alive in this hellhole and being eaten alive, it's people like you that let this hellhole exist in the first place

 

[Slow_Farewell]

For me it's people in general, and how they react to their natures.

 

[Tears in Rain]

However, I feel like nature itself is the main reason why the world sucks. Nature created humans and every other organism in the first place. Nature is what gave humans all these emotions and desires (desire to be better than others, desire for attention, desire to dominate, etc).

Blaming nature for human shit is ridiculous. There's no evil in nature; it's all just hard -wired survival.

Human ego is the root of evil. Whether you can blame a creator/the Universe for this, or humans themselves, I don't know. But nature didn't give humans emotions or desires(though obviously the survival instinct was passed on from our ape ancestors). But millenia of passed-on human crap in our genes and subconscious minds is what keeps the evil going.

 

[ChildishEgg]

if i went back 10,000 years and destroy the world i would of saved trillions and trillions of lives from being alive in this hellhole and being eaten alive, it's people like you that let this hellhole exist in the first place

We have no choice in whether this exists or not. If you think we do, you are heavily mistaken. The world existed well before 10 thousand years btw so you'd still be killing a lot of people. Many people enjoy life, Just because you don't doesn't make it right to take that away from them. As I said, this is a mindset of a terrorist.

Blaming nature for human shit is ridiculous. There's no evil in nature; it's all just hard -wired survival.

Human ego is the root of evil. Whether you can blame a creator/the Universe for this, or humans themselves, I don't know. But nature didn't give humans emotions or desires(though obviously the survival instinct was passed on from our ape ancestors). But millenia of passed-on human crap in our genes and subconscious minds is what keeps the evil going.

Thank you! You are exactly right

 

[The Schizoid]

Evil only exists in the human mind.

 

[Darkover]

We have no choice in whether this exists or not. If you think we do, you are heavily mistaken

something we have no control over and that's what destiny is, this whole place could be wiped out right now by nuclear war or a biological virus , According to Stephen Hawking, you could destroy the universe if you could provide 100billion Giga-electron-volts (GeV) to the ''God particle". Higgs boson, technology will able terrorist to create biological weapons within 50 years

Blaming nature for human shit is ridiculous. There's no evil in nature; it's all just hard -wired survival.

In nature we see every day predation (killing) which we do not consider "evil" as the intention of it is for the sake of survival; survival of the fittest. cyclones, earthquakes, famine,virus,diseases, you'd have to be blind not to see the pure evil in this universe

Depends what you consider evil. Some say that nature is not evil because it has no ability to comprehend morality. On the other hand nature brings death and destruction to humans in many forms like natural disasters. Because of that one could consider nature as evil. I personally don't believe that there's a need for intent to be evil.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Technically without life, nothing ever exists. Like, no universe no nothing. Because the universe has to come from somewhere. Eternal nothingness is quite frankly boring and incomprehensible. I mean this in the most non-disrespectful and literal way possible. But I think you might be insane.

How is eternal nothingness boring if one can't feel bored during eternal nothingness?

 

[breezeboy]

The stupidity of humans is exhausting to deal with.

 

[ChildishEgg]

something we have no control over and that's what destiny is, this whole place could be wiped out right now by nuclear war or a biological virus , According to Stephen Hawking, you could destroy the universe if you could provide 100billion Giga-electron-volts (GeV) to the ''God particle". Higgs boson, technology will able terrorist to create biological weapons within 50 years

In nature we see every day predation (killing) which we do not consider "evil" as the intention of it is for the sake of survival; survival of the fittest. cyclones, earthquakes, famine,virus,diseases, you'd have to be blind not to see the pure evil in this universe

Depends what you consider evil. Some say that nature is not evil because it has no ability to comprehend morality. On the other hand nature brings death and destruction to humans in many forms like natural disasters. Because of that one could consider nature as evil. I personally don't believe that there's a need for intent to be evil.

Biological weapons have existed since World War II. They've already been using them