Discussion My Views on the Afterlife and Reincarnation

[ReadyForIt]

Hey everyone, I'm new here; been lurking for a couple months, and I finally made an account. Anyway, I thought I might share my opinion on what happens to us after we CTB.
I know that a lot of people here believe that after we die, we experience "eternal nothingness," and while I respect those who believe this, and their opinions, I have a different take.
First of all, I'm Catholic, and I'd like to take this opportunity to dispel the common misconception that in Catholicism and Christianity in general, those who CTB go to hell. In the Catechism (Catholic doctrinal text) it says:

"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide. We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to Him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives."

I think most, if not all suicidal people could be considered to be suffering from "grave psychological disturbances" of some kind, so therefore it follows that CTB doesn't mean we will go to hell for doing so.

That being said, my personal hope is that for those of us who want to, we can have the choice to be reincarnated into a better life if things just never seemed to work out in our favor in this one. Better genes, better environment, etc would certainly have yielded a happier, more successful life in my case.

Anyway, that's just what I think. I hope this brings some sort of relief and optimism to others who fear or despair of the idea of the afterlife/reincarnation. Does anyone else like this idea? What're your thoughts on this?

 

[Rayzieka]

I hope there isn't even a nothing to experience.
In the best case scenario for me is to just switch off and never experience again because I won't exist.
I try not to think about the possibility of reincarnation because that means we're all truly trapped to this universe with no escape from an endless cycle of experience. It frightens me. I feel like we wouldn't have a choice in the matter if reincarnation was real since that means we somehow chose to be born into this world.

 

[Pharmaruined]

I hope there isn't even a nothing to experience.
In the best case scenario for me is to just switch off and never experience again because I won't exist.
I try not to think about the possibility of reincarnation because that means we're all truly trapped to this universe with no escape from an endless cycle of experience. It frightens me. I feel like we wouldn't have a choice in the matter if reincarnation was real since that means we somehow chose to be born into this world.

Or
We've been tricked into it. I don't know why but when I found this video it resonated with me.. obviously no way of knowing for sure but I was searching for "there is no karma"
and it all made sense. I'm paying off someone else's debt.

I've lived a life of integrity and can't possibly understand how I've been crushed like this and in such strange ways.

I can share so many examples of how doing the right thing has hurt me in so many ways..

I've overcome so much injustice but the hits just kept coming.. anyway just sharing this cuz maybe it will resonated w u as well

 

[ReadyForIt]

Or
We've been tricked into it. I don't know why but when I found this video it resonated with me.. obviously no way of knowing for sure but I was searching for "there is no karma"
and it all made sense. I'm paying off someone else's debt.

I've lived a life of integrity and can't possibly understand how I've been crushed like this and in such strange ways.

I can share so many examples of how doing the right thing has hurt me in so many ways..

I've overcome so much injustice but the hits just kept coming.. anyway just sharing this cuz maybe it will resonated w u as well

Okay, so let's say that you, I, and all of us who seem to just keep getting hurt over and over in this life despite doing the right thing are indeed paying off a debt from a past life. Doesn't it seem hopeful then, that we may get the choice to reincarnate into a better life next time? I don't think our ideas are mutually exclusive on this.

 

[Rayzieka]

Or
We've been tricked into it. I don't know why but when I found this video it resonated with me.. obviously no way of knowing for sure but I was searching for "there is no karma"
and it all made sense. I'm paying off someone else's debt.

I've lived a life of integrity and can't possibly understand how I've been crushed like this and in such strange ways.

I can share so many examples of how doing the right thing has hurt me in so many ways..

I've overcome so much injustice but the hits just kept coming.. anyway just sharing this cuz maybe it will resonated w u as well

The thing is with those kinds of theories is they don't exactly line up or go into depth on why they believe what they're saying.
I try to avoid them when I can because they're triggering for delusions and falling into psychosis.
But if I were to go off of my own near-death experiences were unusual and strange things happened to me it was not a tunnel leading to light but instead, I fell down the stairs while I was home alone after taking an absurd amount of sleeping pills for a child. And woke up in my bed with a badly hurt neck and my room was absolutely trashed.
But in between falling down the stairs, waking up for a split second and feeling my neck bulge out like it was broken- I had a wild dream I was in an elevator going to the bottom of the ocean with a group of older/homeless adults. And once we got to the bottom there was a long hallway reaching out into darkness and while everyone else made it to the end I kept walking- then running and never made it. I fell over and tried to claw my way to the end when two people off to the side said to each other 'should we help her'. And then I saw flashes of myself in the third person destroying my room and seconds later woke up in my bed and only had a sore neck.
I may believe something super natural happened but in reality, I probably was just having an early episode of my mental illness brought on by the fear of falling down the stairs.
But what I'm getting at is that it doesn't line up, I've never been one to believe there's a white light and that might be why I didn't see one.
Everyone is always told they see a bright light and that's likely why they believe it and see one.
I've also always stayed away from the idea of true karma and thought of it only as shame since bad things don't always happen to bad people.
You really only see karma at work when it's with someone who acknowledges that they've done something wrong and their brain is guilting them or making them trip up and maybe literally trip and get hurt after saying or doing something they know they shouldn't have. While all these people who go around murdering and such and don't get caught or have a culture that overlooks it can go their whole lives eating steak every night and getting the partner they've wanted and never having any medical emergencies.
I can't find myself following these kinds of videos on youtube because it can't be proven, same with religion and so on.
The most logical answer is that we just stop existing in my opinion- because what makes us better than other animals and insects?
Is there reincarnation for all life? even bacteria? The idea that only humans and our pets are special enough to make it to a heaven or be reincarnated seems even more unfair than the fact that we exist in the first place. If there's any mercy in this universe it has to be death and if we're really in a world where even death isn't an escape then I'm absolutely stumped on what to do. As long as I'm living I hope I can avoid falling for a religion or belief that there's more than this life waiting for me. Because if we believe one of these ideas then why not the idea of hell and demons- And some big man sitting up there playing us like chess. Its a horrible thought.

 

[Efilismislife]

But how would anyone go back knowing that the world only based on luck and bad luck. Also people who ctb clearly wont go back cause they know how messed up this world is..

Im a very skeptical person and wont choose something that is uncertain. If i given the chance to play the russian roulette i think i would never take it. Unless im tricked, being force to i wouldnt wanna take that risk.
So it doest really seem to add up if i chose to be reincarnated into the unknown lol

the song..into the unknown

Or
We've been tricked into it. I don't know why but when I found this video it resonated with me.. obviously no way of knowing for sure but I was searching for "there is no karma"
and it all made sense. I'm paying off someone else's debt.

I've lived a life of integrity and can't possibly understand how I've been crushed like this and in such strange ways.

I can share so many examples of how doing the right thing has hurt me in so many ways..

I've overcome so much injustice but the hits just kept coming.. anyway just sharing this cuz maybe it will resonated w u as well

 

[alwaysSuffering]

I've lived a life of integrity and can't possibly understand how I've been crushed like this and in such strange ways.

I can share so many examples of how doing the right thing has hurt me in so many ways..

I've overcome so much injustice but the hits just kept coming.. anyway just sharing this cuz maybe it will resonated w u as well

I could have written this word for word. This has been my life experience as well. Integrity has always been extremely important to me. I've always been a do-gooder. Volunteered, help people, gone way above and beyond to do things for others, etc. But I've been the victim of crime upon crime by sociopaths, predators, registered sex offenders, and freak occurrences that shouldn't be possible over and over and over and over. My life has just been one long trauma train. Just ONE of the traumas I've been through would be enough to destroy anyone's life and give them PTSD. But I've been through a whole slew of these such events. And there's no end in sight. I can't go more than a few months without another major life-changing trauma.

About half way through my life, I realized this pattern and thought perhaps I was cursed, or someone once told me I must've pissed off the Gods. I've frequently thought that this is actually Hell but couldn't understand why I'd be in Hell when I've always been good. Then thought maybe I'm being punished for something from a previous life. Like maybe I was Hitler in a previous life or something. But I still think it's bullshit that I'm being punished for something when I don't even know what it was that I did.

I'm terrified of reincarnation because I don't want to ever exist again. I want this to all just end when I die. I want there to be nothingness.

 

[Efilismislife]

I can relate. But i think theres no fairness in reincarnation. Its not even clear if the personality stays the same or not each rebirth.

I guess people who experience unfortunate things in life bound to think they have a bad luck just like i do.

In my case its much more complicated though, i actually born with good qualities which initially supposed to be a good luck, but just because i have abusive family it ruined everything and turn into a bad luck. Such a ridiculous irony.

I could have written this word for word. This has been my life experience as well. Integrity has always been extremely important to me. I've always been a do-gooder. Volunteered, help people, gone way above and beyond to do things for others, etc. But I've been the victim of crime upon crime by sociopaths, predators, registered sex offenders, and freak occurrences that shouldn't be possible over and over and over and over. My life has just been one long trauma train. Just ONE of the traumas I've been through would be enough to destroy anyone's life and give them PTSD. But I've been through a whole slew of these such events. And there's no end in sight. I can't go more than a few months without another major life-changing trauma.

About half way through my life, I realized this pattern and thought perhaps I was cursed, or someone once told me I must've pissed off the Gods. I've frequently thought that this is actually Hell but couldn't understand why I'd be in Hell when I've always been good. Then thought maybe I'm being punished for something from a previous life. Like maybe I was Hitler in a previous life or something. But I still think it's bullshit that I'm being punished for something when I don't even know what it was that I did.

I'm terrified of reincarnation because I don't want to ever exist again. I want this to all just end when I die. I want there to be nothingness.

 

[Samael96]

Honestly i hardly believe in reincarnation but i legit hope it's a thing! My life has been ruined by an illness and nothing else, until that very moment i was "ok" with my life. I mean my school years and my social life were not the best, and i cannot say i am an S grade character for sure but on your 21 you are able to turn things around a lot.
I everytime say "i just would love to restart my life from the beginning with my current mind and maybe memories" so that i could just not make those mistakes i couldn't recognize when i was young and dumb.

So yeah, i'd love to reincarnate again in this world BUT as a human being and again as a male. And this is where the problem lies, the reason i don't believe in reincarnation: isn't it too selfish and self-centered to think we are the only living beings allowed to keep on living as humans? What about the animals? They are living beings too, so what if you reincarnate as a bug? Or a snake? Bird? etc.
And let's say you are lucky enough to be given another life as a human being, what if your gender is different and you recall some of your memories?

It's a twisted topic.. and i am saying this even tho i have been reading evidence of people that got born and had memories of their previous life when they were little kids and lost them growing up.
Beautiful and scary.

 

[FuneralCry]

I do believe there is nothing after this, and that is what I hope there is, just like there was before we were born, how time passed yet we weren't aware of it. The thought of nothingness comforts me. I'm not scared of the thought of reincarnation though, I tell myself at least I won't be me, and I will have no memories of this life.

 

[motel rooms]

First of all, I'm Catholic, and I'd like to take this opportunity to dispel the common misconception that in Catholicism and Christianity in general

That being said, my personal hope is that for those of us who want to, we can have the choice to be reincarnated into a better life if things just never seemed to work out in our favor in this one. Better genes, better environment, etc would certainly have yielded a happier, more successful life in my case.

Anyway, that's just what I think. I hope this brings some sort of relief and optimism to others who fear or despair of the idea of the afterlife/reincarnation. Does anyone else like this idea? What're your thoughts on this?

Sweet Jesus, Mary, Joseph & their donkey Paddy, even the Catholics believe in reincarnation these days!
Repent, wayward child! Say 200 Hail Mary's prostrate on the ground, or at least kneeling, & repent!
You're right about what the Catechism says about suicide, btw. I wish more people were aware of it

 

[ReadyForIt]

Sweet Jesus, Mary, Joseph & their donkey Paddy, even the Catholics believe in reincarnation these days!
Repent, wayward child! Say 200 Hail Mary's prostrate on the ground, or at least kneeling, & repent!
You're right about what the Catechism says about suicide, btw. I wish more people were aware of it

I don't necessarily "believe" in reincarnation, in the sense that I truly think that it'll happen. For me, it's more so an optimistic hope that it's at least an option for the souls like myself and others who feel that due to socialization, environment, mental illness, physical issues, genetics, etc, we didn't get to live the fulfilling, successful, happy lives that we deep down always wanted for ourselves.
Like I really hope that there's a door that we could choose to open (or leave closed, for those who just want to find their peace) after we CTB that allows us to start fresh in a new life with a guarantee that it'll absolutely be a happy, successful, and fulfilling one without all the fucked up atypical hardships that drove so many of us to SS and CingTB in this life.

That's just what I think would be the ideal, best case scenario for myself and others who feel cheated out of the great life that was always desired, but never materialized. As I said, I don't really believe with any degree of certainty that this is what happens, so I can't actually defend it from those who challenge it. But it would indeed be a most welcome surprise in my opinion.

Edit: Yeah I included the part about the Catechism cause it bothers me a lot when people assume and express that suicide is a one way ticket to hell and eternal suffering. It's such a misguided notion that causes so much undue psychological anguish to so many people. CTB is already painful enough without adding salt to the wound by suggesting that the pain is only just beginning.

I hope this better illuminates the idea that I wanted to share with you all!

 

[GreenTree]

What I can't get my head around is why would a supposedly loving father (god) let us suffer enough to make us want to commit suicide. That isn't loving. Why also would he send us too hell. That's not loving either. Why also would he give us free will so we can sin and make mistakes. Why also would he let the devil attack our minds. Its good the Catholic Church says we won't go too hell. We already suffered enough in this life so don't deserve to in the next life for all eternity. I've tried to live a righteous life but can't no more due to mental illness. It all just doesn't make sense.

 

[Pharmaruined]

I could have written this word for word. This has been my life experience as well. Integrity has always been extremely important to me. I've always been a do-gooder. Volunteered, help people, gone way above and beyond to do things for others, etc. But I've been the victim of crime upon crime by sociopaths, predators, registered sex offenders, and freak occurrences that shouldn't be possible over and over and over and over. My life has just been one long trauma train. Just ONE of the traumas I've been through would be enough to destroy anyone's life and give them PTSD. But I've been through a whole slew of these such events. And there's no end in sight. I can't go more than a few months without another major life-changing trauma.

About half way through my life, I realized this pattern and thought perhaps I was cursed, or someone once told me I must've pissed off the Gods. I've frequently thought that this is actually Hell but couldn't understand why I'd be in Hell when I've always been good. Then thought maybe I'm being punished for something from a previous life. Like maybe I was Hitler in a previous life or something. But I still think it's bullshit that I'm being punished for something when I don't even know what it was that I did.

I'm terrified of reincarnation because I don't want to ever exist again. I want this to all just end when I die. I want there to be nothingness.

Check this out. I know it sounds strange or silly But it doesn't hurt to focus on these before u ctb..

Declaration Of Sovereignty And Soul Contract Revocation - How To Exit The Matrix

By Michelle Walling, CHLC Editor, www.howtoexitthematrix.com Contracts that are made before this lifetime and others carry energetic references which may be keeping you from walking the highest path. Revoking outdated contracts or contracts made under duress can be done in order to clear the...

howtoexitthematrix.com

 

[ExistentialEntropy]

In the nondual view there is ultimately only one infinite awareness and each of our own perspectives is merely a limitation of that awareness, so that it may become finite in order to experience itself. If infinite awareness were represented as a river of consciousness then each of us would be like finite whirlpools of consciousness within the body of the river. Eventually the whirlpool returns to the flow of the river though no water is actually lost.

 

[ReadyForIt]

Check this out. I know it sounds strange or silly But it doesn't hurt to focus on these before u ctb..

Declaration Of Sovereignty And Soul Contract Revocation - How To Exit The Matrix

By Michelle Walling, CHLC Editor, www.howtoexitthematrix.com Contracts that are made before this lifetime and others carry energetic references which may be keeping you from walking the highest path. Revoking outdated contracts or contracts made under duress can be done in order to clear the...

howtoexitthematrix.com

Ironically enough, the ideas from this presented in their entirety are far too highbrow for me to process and comprehend, due to the extensive damage done to my once great, sharp mind caused by forced intake of antipsychotics and mood stabilizers in a psych ward nearly a year ago. It's ironic because the idea that "I don't have to endure life like this" is what's enabled me to create and prepare my plan to CTB. Living with the hellish aftermath of the pharmaceutical damage is just too much to bear, and I keep telling myself that deep down, "This isn't who I am or who I'm supposed to be." These are basically my own declarations against having to continue this lifeless existence being a shell of my once happy, highly functional self.

So again, while I don't have the capacity to digest everything from that piece you linked, I like the general idea of declaring I don't have to go through this shit forever. It's helped me come to terms with the fact that ending my life is my choice to preserve the dignity that I once had.

 

[Pharmaruined]

Ironically enough, the ideas from this presented in their entirety are far too highbrow for me to process and comprehend, due to the extensive damage done to my once great, sharp mind caused by forced intake of antipsychotics and mood stabilizers in a psych ward nearly a year ago. It's ironic because the idea that "I don't have to endure life like this" is what's enabled me to create and prepare my plan to CTB. Living with the hellish aftermath of the pharmaceutical damage is just too much to bear, and I keep telling myself that deep down, "This isn't who I am or who I'm supposed to be." These are basically my own declarations against having to continue this lifeless existence being a shell of my once happy, highly functional self.

So again, while I don't have the capacity to digest everything from that piece you linked, I like the general idea of declaring I don't have to go through this shit forever. It's helped me come to terms with the fact that ending my life is my choice to preserve the dignity that I once had.

It's crazy the damage pharma can do.. and the fact the body is designed to heal but is stubbornly resistant is even more shocking

. I've lost a few toenails that I smashed. a blown out eardrum with a huge hole and it's all healed.. and grown back

but the damage caused from big pharma continues to linger on.. it's truly evil

 

[disabledlife]

If we pay off the debt of a past life, why don't we remember it?

It is as if you are in prison or under judicial supervision, there is a case file and records, judgments handed down and you know why you are being punished.

It makes no sense for God to punish people who chose CTB if their lives were unfair.

We did not choose to be born and we were born unequal.

Some people are unfortunately born disabled, others are born from childbirth under X (anonymous childbirth, as in France), unwanted pregnancies, bad parents, ugly ... Society knows very well how to socially reject these people, a burden, no love, mockery, gossip, nastiness ...

Why does God never guarantee that we can be born totally equal?

Why would God want to punish people who want to be "paid back" for their lives? A life they did not ask for, since no one asked to be born, nor any proof that we chose to be born and which body we chose.

I see life and the Universe as a set of elements of probability of events, therefore quantum, with many events that ended up creating the Universe, then the manner and the energy, the stars, nuclear fusion , supernovas, planets, then the elementary molecules of life, DNA, bacteria (and viruses), cells, organisms, then intelligence.

This, always following a set of probabilities which, according to the theory of evolution, have created logical sets which hold in time, and which evolve towards more and more complex logics, always according to the probability, leaving illogical events destroy themselves, as events unsustainable genetic mutations.

From order to disorder, according to thermodynamics, we speak of entropy of the Universe, and according to quantum, there is an organizing power of chance.

 

[Journeytoletgo]

Know one knows what happens afterwards and if they say they do they are lying. We will never know