Virsus

Virsus

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I will start with a very important clarification in my opinion - I am for choice, I do not condemn those who choose this path, but I have my own opinion on this matter and I want to express it.
Suicide is a way out and a solution to all problems, BUT it is the most extreme and most serious way out of all available.

Before taking such a serious step, you need to weigh all the pros and cons. We do not know for sure what exactly will be waiting for us on the other side. There are many options - Emptiness, Quantum immortality, heaven/hell, reincarnation, fulfillment of our deepest desires in a separate reality and much, much more, there are as many options as you can imagine. I believe that before taking such a risk you need to give yourself time, at least half a year. During this time, a lot can change, the worst thing, in my opinion, is to act impulsively, this threatens not only disability, but also very strong regrets because of your actions.

I wrote half a year? Oh no, your thoughts can change in just a few hours.
I really sympathize with people who took such an important step and regretted it, simply because they did not give themselves time.
No matter how cruel and cynical I sound - many of your problems can be solved if you think about how to solve them (I am not talking about incurable problems).
But I can't speak for everyone. If a person doesn't want to solve their problems, no matter how insignificant they may seem to others - these are their problems and they matter.

I've been in this state for as long as I can remember. I was wondering for a VERY long time whether it was worth it, whether I really wanted this? In the end, having tried everything I could, I came to a sense of serenity after realizing that this was the way out for me, I believe that you should have a similar feeling before you do something irreparable.

I read hundreds of people's stories on this forum even before I registered, many people's problems are related to the "standard" experiences of ordinary people who do not think about suicide, after a while life may become easier.

But in any case, if you really decided that there is no other way out - this is your right and I cannot and will not judge you for this, moreover, I am on your side, I support you.

Relatively healthy people who do not think about suicide see the meaning of life, they will not even come close to understanding what we feel when we make such a decision. I think our world is not only "black", the events in it and in our lives largely depend on us. You can get angry at me for these words, but the world is what we want to see it. Of course, I do not take into account mentally or physically seriously ill people, reality played a cruel joke on them. I am addressing people who act impulsively.

Think it over carefully. I just want to instill in you the idea that you should know what you are doing.
There will probably be many mistakes here, I am writing through a translator and trying to write as clearly as possible, if your eyes burn - forgive me...
 
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Reflection

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I really sympathize with people who took such an important step and regretted it, simply because they did not give themselves time.
I agree with your sentiment but I don't think anyone can regret their own suicide... are you perhaps talking about failed attempts that made their lives worse?
 
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Virsus

Virsus

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I agree with your sentiment but I don't think anyone can regret their own suicide... are you perhaps talking about failed attempts that made their lives worse?
Not really, we don't know what will happen on the "other" side. But to be realistic, yes, disability is a serious thing.
 
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divinemistress36

divinemistress36

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I agree. It's sad to see all these posts of people who want to ctb cause of a failed relationship or job which is often temporary grief
 
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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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I agree that it's best that it's well thought out and not impulsive. I wonder just how impulsive people are on this site though... they've taken the time to find the site and register here if they've become a member. If they were that impulsive, wouldn't they already be dead?

But no, I do take your meaning. Best to consider all our problems seriously, decide on whether they have solutions and whether we have enough left in us to put the work in to try and fix them.

Whatever is waiting for us on the other side will be there regardless of whether we die of natural causes or suicide. It mainly seems to be religion that insists that that type of death will have terrible consequences. Of course, religion could be right and it's another thing to worry about if we have any doubts. Still- it also assumes we've all done enough already to please God. I don't think I've lived a terrible life but- I hate God and they must realise that- if they exist. So- I feel like I'm screwed either way to be honest.
 
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nihilistic_dragon

nihilistic_dragon

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Aug 6, 2024
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We're all going to die eventually. No one can escape death yet.
What is the different if you're committing slow suicide by the lifestyle you lead, or if you want to do it quick?
Again, no one escapes death.
 
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hereornot

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I agree with u. Anyway suicide alway is a option. A way out anytime we want.
 
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Praying 4 a Miracle

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I agree as well, the escape hatch is crucial in case we end up suffering, for whatever reason. The problem, is that we need it done in a safe and humane way. We all need to push the people in power for access to assisted suicide for any adult who chooses it. The only restrictions should be age (no kids) and maybe 6 months waiting period to make sure no impulsive decisions. If the majority of those in the world who are suffering severely unite and speak up, it'll happen, and very quickly.
 
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SonicFan1994

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Id argue some methods are more impulsive like hanging, using a shotgun, jumping off a bridge. Too easy of access for some including myself (i know i had access to gun i prob would of impulsively used it on myself on a bad day or hangover or drug withdrawal.

But other methods require alot of thinking and planning like SN, Inert Gas method. These methods require more thinking so its not as impulsive. You have to digest the information and knowledge on how to do so. Im pretty sure people have weighed the pros and cons for this.

im older (30 yrs old) so i just feel bad for kids who dont give life a chance and try to do it young before they are even 25. too many fucking kids on this site.

I have had a pretty disappointing and rough life but im still trying everything i can b4 i give up and just take my SN becuz i got parents otherwise I wouldn't really see a point of keep trying when life has shown me that money is the only thing that really matters in the long run.
 
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coolgal82

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Id argue some methods are more impulsive like hanging, using a shotgun, jumping off a bridge. Too easy of access for some including myself (i know i had access to gun i prob would of impulsively used it on myself on a bad day or hangover or drug withdrawal.

But other methods require alot of thinking and planning like SN, Inert Gas method. These methods require more thinking so its not as impulsive. You have to digest the information and knowledge on how to do so. Im pretty sure people have weighed the pros and cons for this.

im older (30 yrs old) so i just feel bad for kids who dont give life a chance and try to do it young before they are even 25. too many fucking kids on this site.

I have had a pretty disappointing and rough life but im still trying everything i can b4 i give up and just take my SN becuz i got parents otherwise I wouldn't really see a point of keep trying when life has shown me that money is the only thing that really matters in the long run.
i dont really like the implication that anyone under 25 hasnt "given life a chance" or whatever like i'm 20 and i can plainly see i will never be able to be truly happy, and plenty of others are in the same boat.
 
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i dont really like the implication that anyone under 25 hasnt "given life a chance" or whatever like i'm 20 and i can plainly see i will never be able to be truly happy, and plenty of others are in the same boat.

Your not even old enough to drink yet give me a break, looks like ur just trying to start an argument

woe is me
 
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coolgal82

coolgal82

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Your not even old enough to drink yet give me a break, looks like ur just trying to start an argument

woe is me
i literally am though, its 18 in the uk, and i'm not "trying to start an argument" im pointing out that the implication you made is pretty cringe and also invalidating to young people who suffer
 
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i literally am though, its 18 in the uk, and i'm not "trying to start an argument" im pointing out that the implication you made is pretty cringe and also invalidating to young people who suffer

Agree to disagree

Ive been young and was also suffering. Not going back and forth with you. Like i said im 30 and have attempted already once when i was younger. Seems like you just want to argue im done here.
 
coolgal82

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Agree to disagree

Ive been young and was also suffering. Not going back and forth with you. Like i said im 30 and have attempted already once when i was younger. Seems like you just want to argue im done here.
not arguing just simply pointing out how your statement is invalidating to peoples struggles it aint that deep.
 
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Just_Another_Person

Just_Another_Person

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I will start with a very important clarification in my opinion - I am for choice, I do not condemn those who choose this path, but I have my own opinion on this matter and I want to express it.
Suicide is a way out and a solution to all problems, BUT it is the most extreme and most serious way out of all available.

Before taking such a serious step, you need to weigh all the pros and cons. We do not know for sure what exactly will be waiting for us on the other side. There are many options - Emptiness, Quantum immortality, heaven/hell, reincarnation, fulfillment of our deepest desires in a separate reality and much, much more, there are as many options as you can imagine. I believe that before taking such a risk you need to give yourself time, at least half a year. During this time, a lot can change, the worst thing, in my opinion, is to act impulsively, this threatens not only disability, but also very strong regrets because of your actions.

I wrote half a year? Oh no, your thoughts can change in just a few hours.
I really sympathize with people who took such an important step and regretted it, simply because they did not give themselves time.
No matter how cruel and cynical I sound - many of your problems can be solved if you think about how to solve them (I am not talking about incurable problems).
But I can't speak for everyone. If a person doesn't want to solve their problems, no matter how insignificant they may seem to others - these are their problems and they matter.

I've been in this state for as long as I can remember. I was wondering for a VERY long time whether it was worth it, whether I really wanted this? In the end, having tried everything I could, I came to a sense of serenity after realizing that this was the way out for me, I believe that you should have a similar feeling before you do something irreparable.

I read hundreds of people's stories on this forum even before I registered, many people's problems are related to the "standard" experiences of ordinary people who do not think about suicide, after a while life may become easier.

But in any case, if you really decided that there is no other way out - this is your right and I cannot and will not judge you for this, moreover, I am on your side, I support you.

Relatively healthy people who do not think about suicide see the meaning of life, they will not even come close to understanding what we feel when we make such a decision. I think our world is not only "black", the events in it and in our lives largely depend on us. You can get angry at me for these words, but the world is what we want to see it. Of course, I do not take into account mentally or physically seriously ill people, reality played a cruel joke on them. I am addressing people who act impulsively.

Think it over carefully. I just want to instill in you the idea that you should know what you are doing.
There will probably be many mistakes here, I am writing through a translator and trying to write as clearly as possible, if your eyes burn - forgive me...
I agree with you on the sense suicide should be a last resort and not a solution. It should be well-thought, I don't a 18yo hanging himself because his one month gf broke with him yesterday and he is like "I will never love again blablabla".

many of your problems can be solved if you think about how to solve them (I am not talking about incurable problems).

However I totally disagree with this. Somethings are curable but the person don't have the opportunity/means/power/money to get the cure. Hell, if somehow I magically got $10 million now I would say bye to everyone here and go live my life happy. Unfortunately this isn't the case and I don't have choice but ctb (or live a completely miserable life).

I agree with your sentiment but I don't think anyone can regret their own suicide... are you perhaps talking about failed attempts that made their lives worse?
The other day someone posted news where a kid drank SN and then regretted, unfortunately he died in the ambulance. So yes, people can regret their own suicide in the last moments.



About the on going debate about old people and young people suffering, I'm gonna take the old people side. When I was 18 I thought I knew how the world/life worked... hahaha I was so wrong...
 
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coolgal82

coolgal82

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I agree with you on the sense suicide should be a last resort and not a solution. It should be well-thought, I don't a 18yo hanging himself because his one month gf broke with him yesterday and he is like "I will never love again blablabla".



However I totally disagree with this. Somethings are curable but the person don't have the opportunity/means/power/money to get the cure. Hell, if somehow I magically got $10 million now I would say bye to everyone here and go live my life happy. Unfortunately this isn't the case and I don't have choice but ctb (or live a completely miserable life).


The other day someone posted news where a kid drank SN and then regretted, unfortunately he died in the ambulance. So yes, people can regret their own suicide in the last moments.



About the on going debate about old people and young people suffering, I'm gonna take the old people side. When I was 18 I thought I knew how the world/life worked... hahaha I was so wrong...
knowing how the world/life works has nothing to do with deciding whether or not to CTB in alot of cases though. sure for some people it might but for me personally even if i knew how it worked or whatever it wouldnt stop me from suffering enough to want to CTB. all my issues are completely internal. there is zero way i will ever be able to be properly happy no matter how long i wait. i just don't like the implication that i and other people are like not mature enough to fully know that or something.
 
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Just_Another_Person

Just_Another_Person

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knowing how the world/life works has nothing to do with deciding whether or not to CTB in alot of cases though. sure for some people it might but for me personally even if i knew how it worked or whatever it wouldnt stop me from suffering enough to want to CTB. all my issues are completely internal. there is zero way i will ever be able to be properly happy no matter how long i wait. i just don't like the implication that i and other people are like not mature enough to fully know that or something.
It definitely has. You learn to let things, that you think were invaluable, go and forgive others and yourself. You learn that maybe you are not special, and that is okay. You learn that an "ordinary life" not necessarily means a sad one. Anyway, I'm gonna stop here before someone accuse me of being pro-life lol I also let out the parts about worrying about work, food, place to live and other responsibilities that come with adulthood, but I am not trying to "burn" anyone, just be informative
 
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It definitely has. You learn to let things, that you think were invaluable, go and forgive others and yourself. You learn that maybe you are not special, and that is okay. You learn that an "ordinary life" not necessarily means a sad one. Anyway, I'm gonna stop here before someone accuse me of being pro-life lol I also let out the parts about worrying about work, food, place to live and other responsibilities that come with adulthood, but I am not trying to "burn" anyone, just be informative
yeah but like in my case atleast none of those have any bearing on my choice to ctb. its all internal stuff that i cant change and that wont be changed by those factors. again i get that for some people it can be but theres also plenty of people who none of that applies to. i just think its silly personally to act like everyones issues are about those things idk.
 
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Trav1989

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i dont really like the implication that anyone under 25 hasnt "given life a chance" or whatever like i'm 20 and i can plainly see i will never be able to be truly happy, and plenty of others are in the same boat.
As someone who is 35 I can honestly say I agree with you on this.

By the time I was your age I had attempted suicide twice and had a very strong inclination that life would be highly unlikely to improve.

Well, people around my current age convinced me that life would only get better.

Guess what?

It didn't.

Life progressively got worse. Sure, there were some good moments such as when I married my ex-wife, camping, going to concerts, doing opiates/shrooms in the woods, etc but the trauma of losing the love of your life far surpassed the joy of meeting them and you can only have new experiences ONCE and after that nothing changes other than small details.

The nostalgia never hits like you expect and every relationship after you experienced (and lost) true love feels fake and almost forced in a way.

You end up reaching a point where every day your fond memories fade more and more while your new memories have less and less impact, you have less energy, less ambition, less "life", and before you even realize it your just an empty shell of who you once were and are going through the motions and become bitter towards others, and even yourself and most lack the self-awareness to see it.

Then your that same person who told you to continue on half a life ago and even though your miserable you feel some ingrained obligation (formed via years of societal programming and bitterness) to lecture others on why they should stick around because "things may/will get better".

I personally find it funny as to how age has little to do with garnering wisdom in regards to the majority of people. I've met a plethora of people from all ages ranges and there are people in their 80's who lack the wisdom of some teenagers and then there are others who are quintessential sages by the time they reach such an advanced age.

Most of my observations over the years have proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that age has far less to do with ones individual capabilities and a person's sense of self than people realize.

I know from personal experience that I've changed very little as a person from the age of 16-35 despite my life experiences supposedly molding me as people wantonly claim.

Sure, I'm probably more knowledgeable due to experience and have grown vastly in regards to accumulated wisdom garnered from learning and applying my experiences but...

I'm also vastly more damaged and if I could see my true "self" without a skin suit covering it I would likely be horrified as such would resemble a zombie at best because that is truly what I've become.

I meander through every day lingering on out of habit and possess quaint recollections of the bright-eyed and hopeful person I once was but there is no going back to that and to claim that anything will get better is to ignorantly accept a falsified iteration of reality formed by those who have grown accustomed to societal norms and blindly parrot catchphrases because they lack any sense of functional introspectiveness.

I apologize for the long-winded reply but to summarize everything; your opinion is entirely valid despite your age (or supposed lack thereof).
 
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it's lamentable in the case of those who choose suicide impulsively, yet we have no right to impose our own assumptions on the legitimacy of their choice. the threshold for sufficient reason is inherently low as per the nature of the forum, since it was created as a space independent of the pro-life yammering which the suicidal are constantly subject to whenever they try to open up about their problems. we really have no evidence for how fixable the problems of any particular individual are on this forum. we are forced to assume that all people on here who choose to go through with their chosen methods are competent enough to be able to form that decision for themselves in the first place, a requirement for which suicide as viewed as the preservation of ones own self-autonomy is inextricably bound to
 
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I disagree with most of this merely because death is inevitable anyway so all suicide is doing is bringing the inevitable closer. I don't see any value in preserving life for as long as possible. I do agree that impulsive suicides aren't the best though. Also, it's impossible to regret killing yourself after you die since you wouldn't be able to think or feel anything.
not arguing just simply pointing out how your statement is invalidating to peoples struggles it aint that deep.
I agree with you so much. I'm 19 and I'm shocked to see that there are people on this site who are invalidating our struggles. It gives pro lifer vibes where they act like I'm too stupid to understand life and come to a rational conclusion that life is shitty. I understand that life isn't meant for me nor that it will ever be meant for me
 
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.... you know what you guys got it. I was actually talking about underaged kids who find this site and end up CTB. but you guys want to make this a competition of who is suffering the most like we arent all on this site for the same reason. Making everything about yourself , when it was a general statement

Completely derailed the thread from what the OP was trying to say due to your own opinions
 
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Reflection

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Life progressively got worse. Sure, there were some good moments such as when I married my ex-wife, camping, going to concerts, doing opiates/shrooms in the woods, etc but the trauma of losing the love of your life far surpassed the joy of meeting them and you can only have new experiences ONCE and after that nothing changes other than small details.

The nostalgia never hits like you expect and every relationship after you experienced (and lost) true love feels fake and almost forced in a way.
I'm 23 and I will lament the fact that I had to experience and lose the love of my life for as long as I live...It's absolutely the only thing that crushed me and still continues to do so every single day. It's just as you described it.

No other relationship will ever feel the same, and you can't just forget them either. Knowing they are building a life with someone else is like rubbing salt in the wound.

For a year now a lot of people keep telling me that it get better, you'll move on and find someone etc...when it's clear as day that their relationships hold no meaning other than to fullfill physical and emotional needs, while living in the moment and being prepared to throw out this new person if necessary, but that simply cannot be called love. I think true love can only happen once, and never fades, like that of a parent or a sibling.
 
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.... you know what you guys got it. I was actually talking about underaged kids who find this site and end up CTB. but you guys want to make this a competition of who is suffering the most like we arent all on this site for the same reason. Making everything about yourself , when it was a general statement

Completely derailed the thread from what the OP was trying to say due to your own opinions
i mean you specified under 25 not under 18 lmao, and literally only you made it a competition but ok lmao.
 
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