Oh, I can understand guilt. Have plenty of it in my life. Lots of regrets and all that shit. But, my perspective is that ctb is an inherently selfish act. It has to be. How could it be anything else? And I submit that if someone has guilt about leaving because their leaving will hurt others, then they are not at the point of ctb. Needing to ends one's own pain has to become more important than causing pain to others by their leaving. It's really that simple, at least in my mind it is. My perspective may be coming from a different place from most others, since I don't have to worry (anymore) about hurting anyone else, since I don't have anyone at all that will be hurt by my leaving. I guess I'm just lucky that way, if you can call not having anyone lucky. Still, I stand by my assertion that only when one's own pain and misery of living becomes more important than worrying about causing any pain to others, are they actually at the place in their lives where they can ctb.