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Moon Flower

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Oct 14, 2019
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I talked everything out with him, told him my plan (didn't mention SS so there's no worry about that), told him how the whole reason I didn't do it before is because I knew he'd feel responsible. I figured he'd throw my sn away but he just handed it back to me and said "Don't make me regret this". How am I even supposed to feel? It feels like now no matter what he'll blame himself and my hands are tied.
 
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Ultimately you have to put yourself and your needs first, it's your choice if you want to do it and how you might do it and it's not fair on your mental wellbeing for people to add stress by manipulating you. I get that people care etc but still. When it comes to suicide its going to be incredibly hard to find someone who supports your choice because firstly there is stigma around mental health, suicide is taboo, people don't want it on their conscience and there are legal complications.
 
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Moon Flower

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Ultimately you have to put yourself and your needs first, it's your choice if you want to do it and how you might do it and it's not fair on your mental wellbeing for people to add stress by manipulating you. I get that people care etc but still. When it comes to suicide its going to be incredibly hard to find someone who supports your choice because firstly there is stigma around mental health, suicide is taboo, people don't want it on their conscience and there are legal complications.
I wonder if he gave it back to me knowing I wouldn't do it if there was a chance he could be caught up legally for it
 
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HereToday

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Dec 27, 2019
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I guess you wanted him to try to stop you? Take it from me, no one will. Talking to people about it outside of this forum is useless
 
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BPD Barbie

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I wonder if he gave it back to me knowing I wouldn't do it if there was a chance he could be caught up legally for it
Possibly. You know him better than we can speculate so it's hard to say. Maybe he see's it as a test for you.
 
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Moon Flower

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Oct 14, 2019
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I guess you wanted him to try to stop you? Take it from me, no one will. Talking to people about it outside of this forum is useless
He found my meto and I kinda had my back against a wall since he knew I had attempted before. I didn't want to be stopped but I knew it was coming. I had expected him to just dispose of the sn though. Him handing it back to me kinda threw me off. I said I wouldn't do it before because I knew he'd blame himself so now it's as if he's made it so it'd be his fault and I can't do it.
 
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realjunes

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I talked everything out with him, told him my plan (didn't mention SS so there's no worry about that), told him how the whole reason I didn't do it before is because I knew he'd feel responsible. I figured he'd throw my sn away but he just handed it back to me and said "Don't make me regret this". How am I even supposed to feel? It feels like now no matter what he'll blame himself and my hands are tied.

As I recall, LP420, you broke off with him a couple of week ago in hopes of avoiding this guilt trip that has just been laid on you, isn't that right? I agree with previous posters, this is your decision, and we know all the pro-life tropes. Keep your resolve to stay away from guilt trippers, and take care of yourself. IMO. :heart: :hug:
 
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As I recall, LP420, you broke off with him a couple of week ago in hopes of avoiding this guilt trip that has just been laid on you, isn't that right? I agree with previous posters, this is your decision, and we know all the pro-life tropes. Keep your resolve to stay away from guilt trippers, and take care of yourself. IMO. :heart: :hug:
I did indeed, but we still share a living space so it's been difficult. He's got this idea that he can just make everything better and win me back
 
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realjunes

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I did indeed, but we still share a living space so it's been difficult. He's got this idea that he can just make everything better and win me back
That is HIS idea, let HIM live with it. As the saying goes, "don't let him live rent free in your head." I know it must be extremely difficult for you in those circumstances. Keep us posted as much or as little as you wish, but know we will nevertheless hold you in our minds and hearts during this trying time for you.
 
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That is HIS idea, let HIM live with it. As the saying goes, "don't let him live rent free in your head." I know it must be extremely difficult for you in those circumstances. Keep us posted as much or as little as you wish, but know we will nevertheless hold you in our minds and hearts during this trying time for you.
It really means the world to me to be thought of in times like this <3
 
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Flume

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Oct 28, 2019
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I talked everything out with him, told him my plan (didn't mention SS so there's no worry about that), told him how the whole reason I didn't do it before is because I knew he'd feel responsible. I figured he'd throw my sn away but he just handed it back to me and said "Don't make me regret this". How am I even supposed to feel? It feels like now no matter what he'll blame himself and my hands are tied.

What else could he do? It's your choice not his. What did you want from that conversation, why did you have it in the first place?
 
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Moon Flower

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Oct 14, 2019
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What else could he do? It's your choice not his. What did you want from that conversation, why did you have it in the first place?
He called me out on everything and was directly on the nose with what I was doing, and I'm not a good liar when it comes to him
 
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Oct 28, 2019
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He called me out on everything and was directly on the nose with what I was doing, and I'm not a good liar when it comes to him

You say that he was a manipulative pro lifer but to me it sounds like he acted very responsible for the situation, you are about to die... being stressed and anxious is fine. But who am I, I don't know the full situation. Gl with everything though no matter what happends.
 
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You say that he was a manipulative pro lifer but to me it sounds like he acted very responsible for the situation, you are about to die... being stressed and anxious is fine. But who am I, I don't know the full situation. Gl with everything though no matter what happends.
I just feel like if he wanted to prevent it he could've just thrown out the sn. It's torturous to be given it back and be told "Don't make me regret it".
 
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I just feel like if he wanted to prevent it he could've just thrown out the sn. It's torturous to be given it back and be told "Don't make me regret it".

Or you could look at it in the way that he trusts and respects you enough so he didn't just smack it out of your hands. This to me is just a sign of defeat... ofc he doesn't want you to leave. But it's your call not his. If you really want to die, then it's going to happen... no matter what. And he can't do anything about it, nothing at all...

It was really really strong of him to put enough trust in you to give the SN back, that to me shows just how much he respects you. Even if you want to die... even, if you want to die. He still collaborates respects your wishes and doesn't steal the SN.

There's two options here; He takes it or he leaves it. And the best option would be if he left it to you... which is he did. I know this hurts no matter what but the best thing that could happen did happen.

I don't wanna spam more replies in here. Maybe you think I'm full shit and that's fine but I've said what I think about this now.
 
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Or you could look at it in the way that he trusts and respects you enough so he didn't just smack it out of your hands. This to me is just a sign of defeat... ofc he doesn't want you to leave. But it's your call not his. If you really want to die, then it's going to happen... no matter what. And he can't do anything about it, nothing at all...

It was really really strong of him to put enough trust in you to give the SN back, that to me shows just how much he respects you. Even if you want to die... even, if you want to die. He still collaborates respects your wishes and doesn't steal the SN.

There's two options here; He takes it or he leaves it. And the best option would be if he left it to you... which is he did. I know this hurts no matter what but the best thing that could happen did happen.

I don't wanna spam more replies in here. Maybe you think I'm full shit and that's fine but I've said what I think about this now.
I hadn't even thought about it like this, you really might be right. Maybe I've just been too negative about it. He's always said he'd do anything to keep me here but maybe he's realizing that there's worse fates than death. I really do appreciate you putting it this way for me
 
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Despondent

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Dec 20, 2019
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Ultimately you have to put yourself and your needs first, it's your choice if you want to do it and how you might do it and it's not fair on your mental wellbeing for people to add stress by manipulating you. I get that people care etc but still. When it comes to suicide its going to be incredibly hard to find someone who supports your choice because firstly there is stigma around mental health, suicide is taboo, people don't want it on their conscience and there are legal complications.
Couldn't agree more :(
 
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TowerUpright

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May 26, 2019
602
It's always best to be around people who will listen and support your choices, while giving honest opinions of your thoughts and questions.

You've got friends here. We'll listen to you.
 
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realjunes

Warlock
Oct 1, 2019
730
LP420,
I am glad you posted us today, the above posts have been really great and thought provoking. I don't know if this will help, but I think a lot about "those left behind" because it is so prevalent on member's minds, as we would expect concerning people they care about. But a night or two ago I wrote out my thought about this for another member who was troubled by the same thoughts. As always, it is just my thinking.
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I have thought a lot about "those we leave behind" and I now think that members of this forum are emotionally deep people who care for others, whether they want to be or not. I often thought the same thoughts. However, I have come around to think of things this way. Sure, people left behind us may be sad. or at least we hope they are for our own sake, but in the end two things will happen. First, we will be no longer suffering, at eternal peace, which is what we live for, if you will pardon the expression. Second, those left will have a life somehow, and we should all hope that if their circumstances ever become unbearable to them, that maybe times will have evolved by that time to allow people to choose their own destiny, to live or die, without judgment or ridicule and all people can determine their own life outcome. We want them to understand that life is not fair, it just is life, and if it is insufferable, it just is.
All that to say, many of us burden ourselves with how it will be for those still living, and it is a burden we must no longer carry. Maybe if we think that they can someday determine their own choices, they will respect our choices.
The bottom line is we are the ones living our life, no one else can live it for us 24 hours a day, so self-determination, whatever it is, it is.
Others will eventually reach the point in their own lives where, we hope, they will look back at our lives, and the end of our lives and will then understand that we chose to make ourselves free of pain and suffering,. We hope they will then fully understand how we truly felt and, we hope, they will then respect and fully appreciate the meaning of CHOICE, that we chose. We hope this will cause them to think that they are happy realizing in the moment we left, we no longer suffered. Pain died. Peacefulness set in. And, finally, we hope in that same moment for them, they will completely understand that EVERYONE must be pro-choice in all respects, and our memory will thus be respected. Bottom line.
 
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Secrets1

Specialist
Nov 18, 2019
359
It's impossible for us to know what he was thinking or how he operates from this standpoint...

but just to let you know if I did the same to someone I loved it'd be because I came to terms with their independence on a deep level. How their choice is not mine. It'd be after numerous attempts to encourage reflection and with an acknowledgement of the other person's potential dedication to killing themselves.

I feel like I've done the same figuratively speaking to one of my parents who referred to their own potential suicide for a number of years.

It's very complicated and not straightforward to think about... fucked up from the perspective that I want people to not care about me so I feel free to make choices for my own life or death without hurting them. Guilty for feeling like I've given up on my parent. Helpless to make a difference in their life. Confused, hurt, selfish, maybe responsible when considering how it could effect my own life. This is after years guilt tripping them into living for me as my main strategy to keep them living... so much dissonance

reflecting on it all from both makes me think about how we manipulate and test other people too with suicidal behavior. Sometimes to simply communicate and cope, other times to gauge reactions... can they live happily without me, that's what I want if I'm committed to suicide, right?? :/

didn't expect to write so much here..random thoughts at their finest
 

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