misanthropy

[406metallicblue]

Misanthropy is the general hatred, dislike, distrust or contempt of the human species or human nature. A misanthrope or misanthropist is someone who holds such views or feelings.

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It seems impossible to live effectivey while holding such a view, since life forces us into contact with them. Certain people are able to live a life of solitude, but not necessarily with misanthropy.. The longer it goes on and the more i study people as they interact with each other, in group or singularly, the more i lack faith in their motives as being positive and altruistic.

I'm not the first person to recognise this, but the thing is how do you live with it. The solution seems to live in the capacity to be all things to all men, and thus lose your integrity. Or somehow surround yourself with decent, honest people, which is quite hard, even if you go to live in a monastary.

I despise human nature not because sarte said 'hell is other people', what he meant was that they judge us in ways that fail to conform to our own self impression ans somehow negate us.

No doubt the spiritual way forward would be to embrace all humanity as if they were your family.
How do other people deal with this issue...i'm at the point where i trust perhaps two people, both of who live in a foreign country. Out of the fifty or so others i know, i wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them.
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[Zaynaldeen]

I'm also a misanthrope, I don't have any advice on how to live as one because my life is a never ending mess. Just don't submit to normies and definitely don't take the advice of others, just do what you think is best because people generally don't care about others and would rather just make anyone else a miserable mess.

 

[_milo]

I'd like to think human beings are inherently kind towards eachother. But I fear that's just misguided optimism.

 

[Zaynaldeen]

I'd like to think human beings are inherently kind towards eachother. But I fear that's just misguided optimism.

It is, it deviates from the reality of mankind.

 

[Temporarilyabsurd]

"The awakened ape " a book I listened to goes on about hunter gatherer tribes .

Thats our natural zone .

Still have upsets and anger and a bit of tribal war , but countered by a deep tribal connection .

We have lost so much in our civilized ways .

yes yes yes ... infant mortality and dieing of bacteria infections was likely ... but I'm talking about the soul
in the every day .

I count myself as a misanthrope , but I think i just hate the toxic grid we are born into.

 

[406metallicblue]

I think we are brought up to believe, culturally, that people are inherently good. How can a society exist otherwise. Even going back to the first times when people started living together for practical reasons, i bet malicious village gossip has been active. People just can't help themselves being part of a herd and looking for outsiders to justify their place in the herd. I see it in action every day, even among the people i like and probably even in myself, although i try to flag it up, people are seen in terms of 'equipment' to be used, to be denigrated if they differ from the norm. My experience has been in small villages in france, where racism and fear of the outsider is rife, it really makes me wonder about small communities everywhere. In some ways i miss the city and the anonymity. How is it possible not to be a misanthrope if you really pay attention to how people deal with each other. Even in families. I completely despise people in general because they have no sense of the unity of things. There are exceptions but you have to dig to find them.

 

[Glim]

I think we are brought up to believe, culturally, that people are inherently good. How can a society exist otherwise. Even going back to the first times when people started living together for practical reasons, i bet malicious village gossip has been active. People just can't help themselves being part of a herd and looking for outsiders to justify their place in the herd. I see it in action every day, even among the people i like and probably even in myself, although i try to flag it up, people are seen in terms of 'equipment' to be used, to be denigrated if they differ from the norm. My experience has been in small villages in france, where racism and fear of the outsider is rife, it really makes me wonder about small communities everywhere. In some ways i miss the city and the anonymity. How is it possible not to be a misanthrope if you really pay attention to how people deal with each other. Even in families. I completely despise people in general because they have no sense of the unity of things. There are exceptions but you have to dig to find them.

For many years now sociologists have been arguing that every group of at least five or more persons needs a deviant and that members will be constantly on the alert for whatever criterion they can find which might permit them to recruit a particular one of the fellows for the deviant status

You can even see this in online communities. And depending on how much they are abused, 'deviants' can have their brain development significantly impacted.
There is data suggesting that social defeat and bullying affects hormones and brain chemistry in mice and humans. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/social-defeat

 

[406metallicblue]

Conformity in humans has been well documented in the field of psychology. The Asch experiments are probably the best known.

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You can even see this in online communities. And depending on how much they are abused, 'deviants' can have their brain development significantly impacted.
There is data suggesting that social defeat and bullying affects hormones and brain chemistry in mice and humans. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/social-defeat

That's really interesting, there are a million studies in group psychology. People tend not to come out of it very well. They are animals primarily, people secondary. The 'pecking order' business just rings so true. What did Hobbes say.. that life in nasty, brutal and short, more or less.

 

[Plankter]

Conformity in humans has been well documented in the field of psychology. The Asch experiments are probably the best known.



That's really interesting, there are a million studies in group psychology. People tend not to come out of it very well. They are animals primarily, people secondary. The 'pecking order' business just rings so true. What did Hobbes say.. that life in nasty, brutal and short, more or less.

Is that the guy who also conducted the infamous Stanford prison experiment ?