Medical People, Please Tell Me About N

[bov]

So everyone on here's obsessed with N and from what I've read about it, for good reason. And I know it's very hard to get. This post isn't about acquiring it, it's a request to learn more about it.

The PPhb people make it sound pretty dreamy, but reported articles about physician-assisted suicide say it can be chaotic, and that a lot of the time someone has to finish off the job with suffocation.

Can someone with a medical background tell me more about it? Alternately, does anyone know anyone who's assisted a suicide using it; if so, could they put me in touch?

 

[Ghost2211]

Basically it sedates to the point that they heart and lungs stop. The cause of death is likely respiratory depression, but you would be rendered unconscious well before your body begins to fail. It is a very peaceful death.

 

[Ulisses]

following your discussion.

 

[bov]

It sounds like a lot of people die choking on their own vomit? This page raises questions: http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/problems-assisted-suicide/

 

[grungeCat]

Well, I am not medical person but I am an 'experienced' druggie. Yeah, that isn't definitely a thing I should be proud of :(. I have abused N for recreational purpose. I can tell you how it does feel to be under influence of N. It's quite a nice drug to abuse - it feels a bit similar to being very drunk but without dizziness and staggering. It makes you very calm and sleepy but also ... even more stupid than alcohol. I don't know if it's true when you take that dose though

 

[Ghost2211]

It sounds like a lot of people die choking on their own vomit? This page raises questions: http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/problems-assisted-suicide/

Yeah.... there are always the rare few that have a different reaction, but this is likely scarier to watch than go through since the sense of awareness is compromised.

 

[bov]

But that's the thing--what if the sense of awareness isn't compromised? Sounds like its power as a sedative is unreliable?

 

[SleepyTime]

It sounds like a lot of people die choking on their own vomit? This page raises questions: http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/problems-assisted-suicide/

You need to be careful with organizations like them. They are 100% against euthanasia and assisted suicide. But their website looks to be balanced and it appears that they support it, and want to provide accurate information. If there are 100 reports on a method and 5 of them have bad results or don't work, they will only report the negative results. They are very deceitful and probably cause more harm than good.

 

[Ghost2211]

It's very reliable, but nothing is like is 100% aside from death Itself. It would suck to he that one that gets the raw deal, but that is the risk we take with any method. Death is death, and can come with a price... N is by far the safest bet, but hey someone has to win the shit lottery in life.

 

[DyingAlf]

I'm not medical but ...
There is assisted dying videos & documentaries & I've seen a few of them now. It looks like they drink it, lay down a minute or 2 later & go to sleep never to wake again, no vomiting, no fitting & a peaceful look on their face (I guess if there ever was any of those things they might not want to put it in a documentary).

 

[bov]

I feel like misleading propaganda can come from anywhere, including documentaries, especially with regards to this topic that inspires so much desperation.

 

[Stepheng7287]

Could someone tell me what "N" is?

 

[paramhansyogi]

Could someone tell me what "N" is?

Nembutal

 

[Stepheng7287]

Nembutal

"Nembutal (Pentobarbital) is used short-term as a sedative to treat insomnia, or to cause you to fall asleep for surgery."

How does that kill you?

 

[rt1989526]

"Nembutal (Pentobarbital) is used short-term as a sedative to treat insomnia, or to cause you to fall asleep for surgery."

How does that kill you?

At certain amounts it causes respiratory failure and then death.

 

[TheQ22]

It's very reliable, but nothing is like is 100% aside from death Itself. It would suck to he that one that gets the raw deal, but that is the risk we take with any method. Death is death, and can come with a price... N is by far the safest bet, but hey someone has to win the shit lottery in life.

I'm pretty sure that there are some things that are 100% certain - having just watched Highlander for the 1000th time for example, once the head comes away from the body it's 100% certain it's game over.

I suppose it's the 1 in 10000 chance that Mdme Guillotine doesn't detach the head that you need to be careful of.

I guess what I'm saying is that some things are more certain than others.

 

[Neville1]

This post isn't about acquiring it [pentobarbital], it's a request to learn more about it.

Can someone with a medical background tell me more about it?

It seems that you already know much about the use of pentobarbital in assisted dying:

a lot of the time someone has to finish off the job with suffocation, ...lot of people die choking on their own vomit, ... its power as a sedative is unreliable?

and documentaries about its peacefulness can be misleading propaganda. /s

None of the above is substantiated with medical sources.

Can you provide a source for a single instance (you say lots of times) of someone finishing a legal assisted death with suffocation? Tmk it may be illegal in every jurisdiction where assisted death is legal

Despite your comments about suffocation being needed, choking on vomit, unreliable sedation and misleading propaganda, it's extremely rare that N fails to provide a quick and peaceful death. It's never torture nor suffering of any kind.

It's the standard protocol in all Western European countries where AID is legal, would be in US if not for Trump DEA impeding its importation and may become part of protocols in Canada and Victoria.

The only issue (albeit a major one) is access.

 

[bov]

Sorry, I didn't mean to spread misinformation. Just trying to adopt a cautious mindset.

 

[Hornyaboutdeath]

"Nembutal (Pentobarbital) is used short-term as a sedative to treat insomnia, or to cause you to fall asleep for surgery."

How does that kill you?

Breathing stops then the heart stops.
I'm pretty sure that's the right order.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Not a medical person, but N shuts down your respiratory/ circulatory system if taken in the appropriate doses resulting in death. This is why in the past, people would die from overdosing on sleeping pills. Afaik, you just fall asleep and pass away.

 

[Hornyaboutdeath]

Not a medical person, but N shuts down your respiratory/ circulatory system if taken in the appropriate doses resulting in death. This is why in the past, people would die from overdosing on sleeping pills. Afaik, you just fall asleep and pass away.

Read my post.

I believe op wanted to know the details and how you actually die.

 

[TheQ22]

Breathing stops then the heart stops.
I'm pretty sure that's the right order.

But you know nothing about it because you're unconscious - I think.

 

[Hornyaboutdeath]

But you know nothing about it because you're unconscious - I think.

Right, you fall unconscious some minute after drinking 12,5g+ N.

Of coarse there will be some who don't but I think the number is slim.

 

[bov]

Some people are talking about injecting N (I hear it can burn the throat, etc). Wouldn't you risk passing out before the injection has fully entered your bloodstream?
I'd also like to know more about the difference between sterile and non-sterile N. Which one are people trying to get? From the PPhb it sounds like the non-sterile variety is much more lethal? Can both be ingested orally?
@Neville1 re: suffocation (though this article is old): https://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/14/magazine/there-s-no-simple-suicide.html