Meclizine and SN ratio?

[greyblue_bian]

Can someone tell me how many Meclizine I should take and can I crush them up if I can't just swallow?

I also saw someone say they were going to add them to their drink, but I'm not sure if that's worked.

Should I take them before or after my drink? I would think before, but I'm not sure.

Lastly, how much SN to water should I be using? I've recently seen a chart that determines how much should be used based on weight and mines is below the weight that recommends 25 grams of SN. Should I still just use that much or should I stick with less? I'm really just scared to take less because I feel I might fail.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Meclizine is not going to help with SN, as it's a histamine antagonist and not a dopamine antagonist (only very weakly affecting the D1 and D2 receptors). but you can still take it for peace of mind. I'm not sure about when or how to use it so maybe someone else can chime in.

As for the water to SN ratio, it's 2:1. So for 25g of SN, 50ml of water would make it 2:1. And the generally advised amount of SN under 100kg body weight (so even if you're 45kg like myself) is 25g.

 

[greyblue_bian]

Meclizine is not going to help with SN, as it's a histamine antagonist and not a dopamine antagonist (only very weakly affecting the D1 and D2 receptors). but you can still take it for peace of mind. I'm not sure about when or how to use it so maybe someone else can chime in.

As for the water to SN ratio, it's 2:1. So for 25g of SN, 50ml of water would make it 2:1. And the generally advised amount of SN under 100kg body weight (so even if you're 45kg like myself) is 25g.

Hm. I only got it because I read somewhere here that someone used Meclizine and they succeeded. Thank you for clarifying the SN ratio though, you've been helpful

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Hm. I only got it because I read somewhere here that someone used Meclizine and they succeeded. Thank you for clarifying the SN ratio though, you've been helpful

i mean, you can succeed without any AE at all. but dopamine AEs speed up gastric emptying, which means the SN will enter your system faster and less of it will get converted into Nitric Oxide in your stomach. so it's helpful to have.

 

[saltytears]

Meclizine is not going to help with SN, as it's a histamine antagonist and not a dopamine antagonist (only very weakly affecting the D1 and D2 receptors). but you can still take it for peace of mind. I'm not sure about when or how to use it so maybe someone else can chime in.

As for the water to SN ratio, it's 2:1. So for 25g of SN, 50ml of water would make it 2:1. And the generally advised amount of SN under 100kg body weight (so even if you're 45kg like myself) is 25g.

I cant get the stronger anti nausea meds. Will Zofran help/work....?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

I cant get the stronger anti nausea meds. Will Zofran help/work....?

Zofran is a serotonin antagonist which, while stronger than OTC AEs, does not offer any prokinetic effects (or faster gastric emptying, i.e. the SN enters your small intestine for absorption faster). This is why a dopamine antagonist is advised.

You can definitely take the Zofran as a nice peace of mind, and it may help slightly with the nausea. But no matter what AEs you take, you're almost certainly going to vomit at some point.

 

[saltytears]

Zofran is a serotonin antagonist which, while stronger than OTC AEs, does not offer any prokinetic effects (or faster gastric emptying, i.e. the SN enters your small intestine for absorption faster). This is why a dopamine antagonist is advised.

You can definitely take the Zofran as a nice peace of mind, and it may help slightly with the nausea. But no matter what AEs you take, you're almost certainly going to vomit at some point.

So even with a dopamine antagonist most vomit? Thus the second cup ready is advised....? I read somewhere in these forums that even if you dont take an AE that just getting enough SN will suffice. I hope this is true. I sourced SN from a US manufacturer. Just dont know if its a reliable company. Seemed too easy but I did have to have a business account. I tested it with aquarium strips and it matched the color strips for the 10 mg/l....just terrified of a fail. Too much at stake. Are you familiar with this testing as was shown in the SN guides? Thanks for responding. "new" here and dont know how to navigate all the posting/searching, etc. TY

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

So even with a dopamine antagonist most vomit? Thus the second cup ready is advised....? I read somewhere in these forums that even if you dont take an AE that just getting enough SN will suffice. I hope this is true. I sourced SN from a US manufacturer. Just dont know if its a reliable company. Seemed too easy but I did have to have a business account. I tested it with aquarium strips and it matched the color strips for the 10 mg/l....just terrified of a fail. Too much at stake. Are you familiar with this testing as was shown in the SN guides? Thanks for responding. "new" here and dont know how to navigate all the posting/searching, etc. TY

Yes. If you read through goodbye threads, or read recounts from observers, or watch the few videos of the SN experience, they almost always vomit. I do recall a few that didn't vomit, but I don't have the links to them nor could I tell you where to look, so take that with a grain of salt. But SN is a poison, as well as being immensely salty given the massive quantity of sodium, and your body is gonna recognize these things and do all it can to expel it. Dopamine antagonists do not completely turn off your ability to vomit, it can help delay it though. The dopamine antagonists, as I said, are mainly for the prokinetic effect. If the SN enters your small intestine faster, that means less time for it to be vomited out and it gets to work quicker.

The second cup, or even a third if you're inclined to be overly prepared, is definitely necessary. You have no idea if you'll vomit too soon, so it's advised to have backup drinks on standby.

You can pull it off without an AE, but you're less likely to succeed imo. The prokinetic effect of the dopamine antagonist AEs are an extremely helpful thing to have, given how the method works. And people fail even with an AE, but the vast majority of failures appear to be due to getting found too early or calling for help, so it's usually nothing to do with the method itself.

I am familiar with the test strips test. But afaik, they are unreliable indicators of purity. Results can vary between brands of strips, individual strips of the same pack, user error, and probably other factors I can't think of. The best way to test would be through a lab, like the BBC did (iirc). But most people aren't gonna do that, or can't.

 

[saltytears]

Yes. If you read through goodbye threads, or read recounts from observers, or watch the few videos of the SN experience, they almost always vomit. I do recall a few that didn't vomit, but I don't have the links to them nor could I tell you where to look, so take that with a grain of salt. But SN is a poison, as well as being immensely salty given the massive quantity of sodium, and your body is gonna recognize these things and do all it can to expel it. Dopamine antagonists do not completely turn off your ability to vomit, it can help delay it though. The dopamine antagonists, as I said, are mainly for the prokinetic effect. If the SN enters your small intestine faster, that means less time for it to be vomited out and it gets to work quicker.

The second cup, or even a third if you're inclined to be overly prepared, is definitely necessary. You have no idea if you'll vomit too soon, so it's advised to have backup drinks on standby.

You can pull it off without an AE, but you're less likely to succeed imo. The prokinetic effect of the dopamine antagonist AEs are an extremely helpful thing to have, given how the method works. And people fail even with an AE, but the vast majority of failures appear to be due to getting found too early or calling for help, so it's usually nothing to do with the method itself.

I am familiar with the test strips test. But afaik, they are unreliable indicators of purity. Results can vary between brands of strips, individual strips of the same pack, user error, and probably other factors I can't think of. The best way to test would be through a lab, like the BBC did (iirc). But most people aren't gonna do that, or can't.

ok Thank you again. Ive just read reports about teens and others a few years back when SN was not banned, being successful and cant imagine that all these people went through all the hoops and testing and everything we are doing. Not sure why this has to be so difficult,it seems like its such a lethal thing if taken in high enough doses. The P handbook makes it sound like it's almost foolproof as long as you keep enough down and no one finds u in time. Im little, 45kg, so maybe I wont need as much too be absorbed as others. Actually afraid that 25 g may be too much. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

ok Thank you again. Ive just read reports about teens and others a few years back when SN was not banned, being successful and cant imagine that all these people went through all the hoops and testing and everything we are doing. Not sure why this has to be so difficult,it seems like its such a lethal thing if taken in high enough doses. The P handbook makes it sound like it's almost foolproof as long as you keep enough down and no one finds u in time. Im little, 45kg, so maybe I wont need as much too be absorbed as others. Actually afraid that 25 g may be too much. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Of course!

It is quite lethal. Very, I'd say. Like I said, most reports of failure seem to stem from people being found too early or calling EMS. If you follow protocol, it seems like one of the more reliable oral methods out there, in lieu of things like Nembutal or Cyanide.

I am actually 45kg too, so you and I are tiny. You don't necessarily have to do the whole 25g given your size (early reports on the forum show people pulling it off with 15-17g, but usually it's 20g if it's less than 25). I'm personally gonna stick to the protocol. But since you're unable to get Meto and the like, maybe doing less will help with not vomiting to early. But this is pure speculation on my part, so don't take that as fact. Definitely do more research on your own and figure out what's right for you.

 

[saltytears]

Of course!

It is quite lethal. Very, I'd say. Like I said, most reports of failure seem to stem from people being found too early or calling EMS. If you follow protocol, it seems like one of the more reliable oral methods out there, in lieu of things like Nembutal or Cyanide.

I am actually 45kg too, so you and I are tiny. You don't necessarily have to do the whole 25g given your size (early reports on the forum show people pulling it off with 15-17g, but usually it's 20g if it's less than 25). I'm personally gonna stick to the protocol. But since you're unable to get Meto and the like, maybe doing less will help with not vomiting to early. But this is pure speculation on my part, so don't take that as fact. Definitely do more research on your own and figure out what's right for you.

LMK if Im being a pest. You are the first person I have really corresponded with. Did you test your SN-strips or lab? Do you feel confident about the strength and your source? I guess this is my biggest worry. When I tested with distilled water and SN it registered 10 mg/L and nothing in plain tap water. I just hope its all valid, it just seemed to easy to get my hands on, (and a small enough quantity that was discreetly packaged )when everyone else is scrambling. BUt I had a business acct open with the giant online retailer so maybe thats all it really takes. Hopefully I will leave u alone after this. Sorry...and thanks again.